You basically just put a finger up the ass of all the players....

Wanna talk to more than 4 players.... give us money!

Pretty sure the "default OFF" voice comms got reset by the last patch so you just have to turn them on again.

And pretty sure this paid system is ONLY for out-of-battle comms or for comms with people not in your match.

If I'm wrong, then... this is completely ridiculous and NO CCP THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, but I don't think I'm wrong.

Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

CCP don't want DUST corps to have the same facilities as EVE corps unless they pay for it apparently, and pay 7.5x + the cost of services like vent and teamspeak.

It doesn't matter. No one is using in game comms anyway. I'm just fed up of Playin with a bunch of retards too busy listening to vent/TS to work with their ******* team. Game's **** because of it.

No, this is fine, especially since this is not integral to gameplay. (as in, you don't need UVT to speak in squads/team)

Most of you that use TeamSpeak in EVE Online are forgetting that someone is footing the bill to keep it up. UVT is essentially the same thing, but cutting out extra hassle. :p

It doesn't matter. No one is using in game comms anyway. I'm just fed up of Playin with a bunch of retards too busy listening to vent/TS to work with their ******* team. Game's **** because of it.

You are absolutely right, sadly. They left grouping to late and people found ways round it like SKYPE which they are now sticking with as they don't want to pay the game price, but more so the squad size is ridiculously small and you can't group squads to make a team. This needs to be sorted ASAP or comms on this game will not be used and it wiil die fast.

I have a question/clarification about UVT usage.

Currently when I buy UVT it allows me one month of free voice chat on any private channel.
But this UVT item is linked to just the character I bought it with. So if I have 3 characters I have to buy the UVT 3 times.
As I am only able to use one character at a time, I don't believe this is designed well.

As I see it, the UVT item should be linked to the player (or have multiple items, one for each character). After all, it's not like a skill booster where the character actually enjoys the module. It's something I as a player use and my character gains nothing.
As it is now, I would have to spend 3x900 AUR if I have 3 characters just to get something I already have. Seems wrong.

Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.

1-day
3-day
7-day
30-day

60
150
250
900

Aurum.

WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY?


*[beyond this point is material from later in the thread that I thought might be good to front load for people to see]*

A 30 day UVT costs 900 Aurum.

900 Aurum = $3.60US = 92,932,150.20 ISK

Lets say you have a mixed DUST/EVE alliance with 90 DUST Players.

81000 Aurum = $324US = 8,363,893,518.00 ISK

Your alliance has 3 options:

Pay $300+ to be able to communicate.

Pay 8 billion ISK + (likely a lot more as I don't see this market being high volume, so prices will be dictated by the sellers, subject to inflation and the whims of the market including limited availability and quantity)

Use 3rd party software (for comparisons sake: Ventrilo, Teamspeak and Mumble servers for $40US a month for 100 slots).

UVTs cost 7.5x as much as the alternatives.


The current conversion rate for $0.40US (cost per server slot) is about 100 Aurum.

If the 30 day UVT costs 100 Aurum it will the same price as the competition, with the added benefits of its integration into DUST and EVE.

I still think it unnecessarily fractures the player base and would be better for everyone if it was free and its costs subsidized by boosters and sidegrades, because its in everyone's best interests to make communication and free flow of information as open and accessible as possible, but I guess I could live with it as a compromise if I had to.

CCP might as well give this one up they're not going to win this. Even if all the players don't decide to walk out on them, it's not as if there aren't already a plethora of other free voice chat services that will work just as well as in game for corp chat. All the rage aside this just isn't a pragmatic business model, thinking an organization will pay you for something they can get elsewhere for free.

CCP should at least give a trial of such services they want players to pay for so we know what we're missing.

CCP might as well give this one up they're not going to win this. Even if all the players don't decide to walk out on them, it's not as if there aren't already a plethora of other free voice chat services that will work just as well as in game for corp chat. All the rage aside this just isn't a pragmatic business model, thinking an organization will pay you for something they can get elsewhere for free.

Uvt's are NOT for team chat, or squad chat, or for any kind of chat in a match. They are for communication between eve and dust players who ARE NOT on the same planet but are in fact in other star systems.
If you can find a way to use another free chat service to talk to eve/dust players in a different star system then by all means go right ahead, but good luck with that.....you'll need it.

Uvt's - for communication between dust mercs/eve pilots/corporations etc who are not within typical communication range I.E another planet/star system. Not for 'in match' chat between dust mercs and eve pilots IN ORBIT of the location of the match.
In match chat is free. Long distance chat is not. Live with it.
how many times are people going to NEED to chat with another merc/eve pilot who are 10 star systems away? What purpose would it serve unless you are part of a corporation?
What matters is the communication between pilots in orbit and mercs, and between merc to merc. If you don't wish to pay for Uvt's then don't buy them simple as that. If you need one for a few hours then buy the 24hr uvt.

At the end of the day no one is being forced to buy anything, aur assets and isk assets will all be tradeable upon full release, Uvt's are a way to communicate long distance but are optional, I don't see the problem

Wow.

You manage to not read the post you quoted, read way to much into the fluff description of UVTs while not actually knowing what they do, and somehow have convinced yourself that VOIP technology is rare and expensive.

Ok.

what the Uvt's do is in their description on the market, it doesn't take a genius to work it out bro. And you miss mY point regarding voip, how is on suppose to communicate with RANDOM eve players and RANDOM dust players if they choose to use an alternative means of communication?????????
I read the post I quoted, and my response was fitting.
I'm sick of seeing little whiney bitches moan about the whole pay to talk thing, and 'my mic doesn't work' etc etc etc.
Its not pay to talk, and try turning the voice chat on.

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

UVT is NOT required for:

- Team voice chat
- Squad voice chat

Text chat is of course free everywhere.
Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.

Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.

Are you saying that you can create custom voice channels and talk in corp/alliance chat for free when you're in the same system? Because you'd be wrong.

MY point is that no one will use UVTs because they are too expensive, and when you want to talk to someone using Teamspeak or Ventrilo you will have to use those also, with the advantage that the organiser of the channel pays for everyone, instead of everyone paying for themselves.

Because of this mismanagement, it will be more difficult for players in DUST and EVE to communicate than it needs to be, out of sheer greed as they are charging 10x more for this service than it is worth.

Serious DUST players are already turning to alternatives for communications, and CCP will have to play catch up if they want those users back using in-game communication. The more people that go external, the harder it will be for new players to communicate, and therefore harder to get into the game, and therefore less repeat custom and aurum sales.

It is in the best interests of CCP to make communications of all kinds in the EVE and DUST universe as smooth and cheap as possible, because these are both games about communications. By fracturing the means by which players communicate CCP are fracturing the games.

Pyramid

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

UVT is NOT required for:

- Team voice chat
- Squad voice chat

Text chat is of course free everywhere.
Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.

Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.