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Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:54:00 -
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Shitstorm coming.
People, be reasonable: (HAHAHAHHA)
Talking during fight: Free
Talking on the corp channel: Not sure about that, probably free.
Talking to people like a freaking cell phone using your vita and the neocom: A paid service.
Does this REALLY seems unreasonable for you ?
I wouldn-¦t pay, but charge a vita neocom voice chat is not unreasonable.
Loved the graphics, prefered the old voices, THE HELL HAPPEND TO MY DROPSHIPS. I used to pilot, now i suck completely.
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Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:04:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Unreasonable? A company that talks about communication being the key to emergent gameplay wanting to charge you for the privilege of talking?
Yeah.
Stop the flamming dude.
They-¦re not making you pay to talk. You can talk just like before, on specific locatiosn relevant to the game (battle, perhaps corp chat). Was here before, still here now.
Now, on a DIFFERENT scenario, one that we perhaps didnt even IMAGINED before, they added a service and are charging for it. Something that wasnt here before. No loss from previous rights.
And you still think this is unreasonable?
The PR of the thing was a mess (seriously CCP, you should have learned by now your market mentality on surprises like this), but the funcionality is not absurd.
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Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:31:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Flame this: Restricting communications is bad for the game universe. Restricting the most convenient communication method of the medium is a death sentence. Do you think EVE would even exist if they charged real money for using text chat?
Your reading comprehension surpases mine in some way, for i can-¦t read that much into it.
I had something before, i still have it now.
Somehting news shows up, something new is being charged for.
No loss for anything i-¦ve been experiencing since entering the beta.
Really can-¦t see your point. Would you care to elaborate in an objective way ? |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
You don't play EVE do you?
Since 2007.
Well mate, if you-¦re not going to elaborate further, then there-¦s no point in talking. Not interested in a background check opening space for ad hominem.
Something news howed up, people are scared of changes, shitstorm is coming, the PR crew will sort this out (hahahhaha) and everyone will be mery in their ways.
And CCP, please stop feeding the trolls. You know this is the kind of thing that will be over simplified and cause embaracment for everyone, next step is the media coverage, than the questions "will Dust suceed after such a turmoil?" and then a zombie apocalypse shows up the world ends and the universe explodes, all because a little change.
*Sight* |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:19:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Condescending much?
How about this: people communicate in EVE by text because its a PC game and typing is the universal PC means of communication. On modern consoles voice chat is the universal means of communication.
Furthermore, consider this: CCP want DUST players to be as involved, and have as much impact on the shared universe, as EVE players.
No one is going to pay for this when they can get it free. This makes it more difficult for groups in DUST to organise. Increased difficulty means less people will bother. Less people bothering means less emergent gameplay for CCP to boast about and use as a selling point.
Most of the players in EVE and DUST agree that RMT should be limited to cosmetic and sidegrade items. Charging for communication is not only money-grubbing, bizarre, stupid, unnecessary, and annoying, it is also self defeating.
Hello.
First, people don-¦t use text in EVE. (Except for spam in local, drawing genitalia and such). They use TS3 / Vent. No one in a serious corp uses text. Voice is the mean of communication. You can-¦t coordinate combats with text. EVE even provides a free com (EVE Voice) for people, but habit / someotherthings make them use external clients.
What is "this" that you mention? We only have a description of an item, in my head its for making PS VITAs using NEOCOM an expensive walkie talkie and paying for it. In yours, it-¦s a restriction on voice comms, removing features that are present as we write (just had a battle using the push to talk (yay \o/) buttons. No charge for it. Same thing as before.
In the future, we-¦ll probably use EVE Voice to communicate with the corp members (corporations can have both dust and eve players). It will probably be free, since it uses the client already in the server we are at ! (One server to rule them all, remember?)
I only see mass hysteria around here, but, that-¦s exactly what a shitstorm is. People manufacturing information out of their heads, assuming they-¦re truth, and complaining about speculations that they themselves created.
How about waiting for clarifications from devs before announcments of "ruined game" ?
Best regards |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:28:00 -
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I-¦m in the middle of combat. I-¦m using my normal (free) comms with my squad and my team in battle.
I-¦m a spy.
I want to contact my friend outside the corp, so he can launch an orbital strike.
How do i, using my regular (free) squad comms, do this?
*roll drumms* |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:39:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
That's a lot of assumption and wishful thinking there dude.
Exactly! Because there-¦s no information about the issue, and everyone is talking crazy!
Give them some time to adress the feature. |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:50:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:
That's a lot of assumption and wishful thinking there dude.
Exactly! Because there-¦s no information about the issue, and everyone is talking crazy! Give them some time to adress the feature. Y'know, or I can point out my concerns as they arise. Think I'll stick with that actually, and leave the 'expecting corporations to be cuddly happy BFFs' to apologists like yourself.
Sure thing mate. In the mean time, i-¦ll continue to gladly have chat with my squad members using the free voice comms that Dust provides.
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Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:45:00 -
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Is this still going on?
And CCP PR Damagen Control II hasn-¦t kicked in yet?
CCP Jian mate, if you continue to adress the issue like this, it may actually make people more pissed off.
You are being rational pointing out that in absolute terms, your game provides everything others do, and a little more for free. Any rational mind would be ok with this.
The public however, is working on an emotional tone, they are looking in a relative perspective, so it doesn-¦t matter that i have X + 1 features for free compared to other games, they only read "I only have X% of the total 100% features for free, this sux, you sux, die in a fire, ragequit"
Also, they-¦re filled with cognitive distortions and either you carefully avoid this mental traps, or turn on the big F and let the fire burn (but right now, after the 2011 thing, and the whole tech bugs in the new build close to the joining of the larger audience, that-¦s not a good option).
Seriously, i-¦m playing and Following EVE since 2007, i know you guys do an excellent job, but your PR area is terrible in terms of response time, way of adressing the public and others.
Hire an organizational Psychologist or something. You folks are talking different things thatn the public, even on the same subject (UVT).
Best regards.
PS - In case you-¦re looking for a psychologist that already has plenty of knowledge of your game universe, I-¦m available for international realocation!  |
Natu Nobilis
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:11:00 -
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A little bit how things work in EVE, so we can try an analogy.
For mundane chit chat, op calling, motivational texts, damage control, all sorts of tatical instructions people use:
(External)
- Forums
- Ts3 / Vent
- IRC
(Internal)
- EVE Voice
- EVE Gate
- Corp Bulletin boards
- EVE Forum
For the external options, you usually pay a fee, have maintance and regular fund supply from the members to do shiny things with your site and comms. Not all people pay, for it-¦s a community thing, some pepole finance alone, others pay a little but, other simply hop along and use without paying, but it-¦s a paid service.
I-¦m not going to enter the merit of the vulnerabilities of the external options, for it has been said before. (DDoS is a ***** when you-¦re trying to coordinate 1k people in battle).
This is the human communtaion. The avarage "so, how you doing?*. It-¦s already a paid service.
The thing is: paid by whom?
The internal choices are included in you subscription (even if at one point they tried to charge for EVE Voice [hahahhaa]). NO ONE plays eve for "free", even the ones that buy plex with isk, are being "real money subsidized" by people who bought the plexes with real money. You pay with your time and isk and recieve money converted in game time.
The external ones, are also paid services. You need to rent slots on voice comms, you need the domain registry, the forum maintance and such. The money comes from somewhere, be it altruist players, monthly fund raises, or ads.
The avarage player got used to benefit from the community without making thedirect financial contribution. (For the alliance leaders get their investment back, multiple times actually, from your activity, ratting, defense power and corp taxes).
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Now, let-¦s move to our current situation.
We have the Dust game, that is a shooter one.
People hop in, go around, shoot faces, be happy about it. (Not the recieving end. [Usually. Looking at you masochists]). Much like a regular big fleet in EVE, you pick a ship, you lock the primary called by the FC, press F1 (Grouped weapons), and hope to not die in the process.
(I like solo pvp or small gang, so no blobing talk please)
Now, what-¦s the diference?
In EVE, i have pretty much ALL the external options built in game (except IRC), and they are included the subscription fee. Even tough, most part of the people PAY AGAIN (with time or money) for the external options.
In DUST, we may be able to use the MAJORITY of the features for free. Corporation is Corporation, be it in EVE or Dust, even if we don-¦t pay anything.
EVE Gate, EVE Forum, Corp Bulletin Boards, all the regular corp features are common. You schedule big ops by Alliance mail and forums. "Be in X system at Y time, Z fleet doctrine". That-¦s strategic value available for everyone.
I don-¦t know the costs of voice communication for the company, or how the process works when games on different plataforms FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER try to talk to each other, but certain costs should be paid somehow.
That leads to the question of "what should be paid for?"
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What are the essential, fundamental things that a shooter game needs in order to be playable?
Are they implemented in the game?
Are they free or paid to be used?
What are the things that are not essential, but make a game "work" and be "enjoyable", hence, populated?
Are they implemented in the game?
Are they free or paid to be used?
What are the things that have no necessity, but are a commodity to have?
Are they implemented in the game?
Are they free or paid to be used?
The essential things, are confirmed to be implemented and free. I don-¦t think anyone disagrees with that. Without battle comms there-¦s no game, period.
This leads to the "Enjoyable" and "Vanity" comms.
Corp comms is a gray area. They are not "essential" to the game, but are definetly enjoyable and a gound base for a game to work, for MMOS are built on the interatcion among people.
I think that-¦s the biggest atriction area here, and personally i would prefer it to be free, would understand it being charged for, and unless is a team effort like the renting of X slots for the entire team, people won-¦t pay single handedly for it.
As for private channels, vita walkie talkie, spy work and such, that-¦s definetly a commodity for the PS3 - VITA users that are playing the game for FREE, unlike the EVE players that have the costs inside the subscription / plex.
Prioritize and get feedback on the community of Waht-¦s "Essential" - "Enjoyable" - "Vanity", and work out better payment modes, because a strategy of depending on everyone to pay alone for a thing that is used in group (as in corp chat), it-¦s kinda doomed. X aurum for Y slots is a better, market tested model.
Best regards
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