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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:01:00 -
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I think it's fine. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:03:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:I think it's fine.
Work for ccp do ya ? Or just have no friends ? |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:06:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:I think it's fine. Work for ccp do ya ? Or just have no friends ?
No. I just understand what CCP is doing. Text chat for corps and alliances is fine. It doesn't harm anyone. If a corp wants to go the extra mile to explain there pre-battle plans, they can buy UVT. |
Ourors
Doomheim
130
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:07:00 -
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pretty sure this is so dust players can talk with all corp mates in dust or eve in private channels
in game comms STILL WORK JUST FINE. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:07:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:@ DEV Frame.
Sorry this is an excuse and a weak one at that.
Team chat........... Who cares, most of the time I don't want to talk to a load of random morons, or have to figure out how many I have to mute every game.
Squad chat........... Wow that huge 4man squad, well I have more than 3 friends and clan mates that I would like to group and play with. Even if we pay for this rip off chat so we can all talk we can't get in the same game let alone be on the same team.
I think instead of having an in house joke with MAG uniforms you have more important game breaking problems to worry about. 12000 AURUM gold monocles is something to complain about, the above is just lame.
CCP has always said that we'll be paying for convenience, not for win. And the UVT system is of convenience and something that is completely understandable that they'd charge for.
Price perhaps twice as high as it should be though. |
Ourors
Doomheim
130
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:14:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Hello,
Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:
UVT Gives you:
- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.
UVT is NOT required for:
- Team voice chat - Squad voice chat
Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.
Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.
just requoting this so stragglers looking for a blue post can see it
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
99
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:15:00 -
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Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:16:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:@ DEV Frame.
Sorry this is an excuse and a weak one at that.
Team chat........... Who cares, most of the time I don't want to talk to a load of random morons, or have to figure out how many I have to mute every game.
Squad chat........... Wow that huge 4man squad, well I have more than 3 friends and clan mates that I would like to group and play with. Even if we pay for this rip off chat so we can all talk we can't get in the same game let alone be on the same team.
I think instead of having an in house joke with MAG uniforms you have more important game breaking problems to worry about. 12000 AURUM gold monocles is something to complain about, the above is just lame. CCP has always said that we'll be paying for convenience, not for win. And the UVT system is of convenience and something that is completely understandable that they'd charge for. Price perhaps twice as high as it should be though.
Artist do not fix server problems. Its not pretty to send a guy with a paintbrush to fix a router.
Marketing also doesnt fix servers either. They are the ones however that came out with the idea likely to help pay the morgate.
Server guys however work on servers.
As for the first interation of grouping, expect refinments and expansion of that. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:16:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying.
Sorry, everything isn't catered to you on a silver plate. Welcome to life. |
mr merkzdem
38
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:18:00 -
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are you for real are you smokeing crack ? wtf rong with you people trying to defend this garbage ? |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:20:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying.
Anyone who's very intersted in game development would have a far better understanding the throes and pacing and definetly knows more than you are unwilling to accept as a possibility.
Most of the testers here know we're far from the FPS we are wanting. However we are not paying customers we're just testers and we have to do our voulenteered job to tell the developers 'this is not how you make an FPS.' or "This is not a good mmo element to put into fps' or 'you made a boo boo over here' finally 'Its so OP because of falcon so nerf it this way!'
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:21:00 -
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mr merkzdem wrote:are you for real are you smokeing crack ? wtf rong with you people trying to defend this garbage ?
Scenario: 1,000,000,000 phone customers They all want to talk. Provide this for free. Go.
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
99
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:22:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying. Sorry, everything isn't catered to you on a silver plate. Welcome to life.
Don't lecture me about life ******* I have 2 kids probably older than you. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:22:00 -
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mr merkzdem wrote:are you for real are you smokeing crack ? wtf rong with you people trying to defend this garbage ?
I think CCP is right for doing this. They need to make some profit and convenience is the way to go.
Want easier communication in corps? Go buy a UVT or go use another program. |
mr merkzdem
38
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:23:00 -
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i payed for the betta and this pay to talk crap i think that makes me a payin customer |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:24:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying. Sorry, everything isn't catered to you on a silver plate. Welcome to life. Don't lecture me about life ******* I have 2 kids probably older than you.
I'll lecture anyone that is selfish enough to want everything free. It's free to play. Not everything in the game is free. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:25:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Do you know what I'm sick to the back teeth of all you know nothing about nothing, brown nosing ccp eve morons. and I say eve because anyone who knows the first thing about a console fps wouldn't be saying the stupid crap you're saying. Sorry, everything isn't catered to you on a silver plate. Welcome to life. Don't lecture me about life ******* I have 2 kids probably older than you.
That doesnt stop grandpa joe getting told by the city that hoarding is bad and if he dont cease and disist theyll plow his house down. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:27:00 -
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mr merkzdem wrote:i payed for the betta and this pay to talk crap i think that makes me a payin customer
Still you have responsibilities as a tester. If its not a good FPS game then you better leave feedback, complainign about this game not being an FPS and keeping it to yourself is rather selfish and silly and waste of your 20$ |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:38:00 -
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It's fine. Any serious corp already has a mumble/vent/ts server, so they're not affected. For the rest UVT is a matter of convenience, and doesn't really give an edge in fight. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:42:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Hello,
Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:
UVT Gives you:
- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.
UVT is NOT required for:
- Team voice chat - Squad voice chat
Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.
Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.
But those PRICES! Have CCP not learned the lesson from the MonocleGate screw up? Strike AT LEAST a zero off the ends of those prices, 900 AUR a month is just INSANE. At this rate, with all the AUR sinks I'm more or less forced into buying in order to be competitive in any way or form (aka PAY 2 WIN), I'm looking at having to kill two of my EVE accounts just to afford ONE Dust account! |
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:43:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:CCP Frame wrote:Hello,
Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:
UVT Gives you:
- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.
UVT is NOT required for:
- Team voice chat - Squad voice chat
Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.
Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. But those PRICES! Have CCP not learned the lesson from the MonocleGate screw up? Strike AT LEAST a zero off the ends of those prices, 900 AUR a month is just INSANE. At this rate, with all the AUR sinks I'm more or less forced into buying in order to be competitive in any way or form (aka PAY 2 WIN), I'm looking at having to kill two of my EVE accounts just to afford ONE Dust account!
Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:47:00 -
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mr merkzdem wrote:Rasatsu wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Ever heard of SKYPE ? Or any other fps game. I said I would have rather paid -ú100. for a decent fps that works rather than this so called FTP rip off rubbish. Ever heard of how Skype does its thing and why it would be a security issue for a game such as DUST? And while most people won't be crazy enough to cut the cable to your house during fleet fights (crazy russkies lol), there will be plenty enough people who'll throw a good DDOS at you during matches using botnets. No, I'm not ******* kidding. It will happen. again what are you mumbleing on about? paranoid much are we? I'm the author of a well known BitTorrent client and do virtualised networking as my day job.
Skype operates quite similar to BitTorrent's DHT and P2P transfers, and the main weakness is that the connections are directly between the clients. Thus your IP address will be easily known to everyone on your team, corp, alliance, etc, that are on any channel you're listening on.
All communication between DUST and EVE clients, even voice, goes through CCP's servers, so there's no practical way of getting this information.
Once they got your IP they can DDOS you.
And yes, I'm paranoid cause in EVE we learn to be. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:50:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.
Bad excuse really. CCP have previously had an inflated/unrealistic sense of cost, unless we scream and complain about it, the prises will increase instead.
Edit: My point is really this. The AVERAGE player should not pau more for a free 2 play on a monthly basis, than a regular subscription. If CCP insist on hiking prices like this, squeezing their players. Most will leave.
For the skill booster alone (and we haven't seen any of the other augmentations yet) for a weekend warrior, will run you to 1400 AUR a month minimum. For being social: another 900 AUR.
See a trend here?
The absolute limit is 3000 AUR, equivalent to 1 month on EVE, and still some 50% above most other subscriptions I know of, which are usually at $10 or less. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:52:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. Bad excuse really. CCP have previously had an inflated/unrealistic sense of cost, unless we scream and complain about it, the prises will increase instead.
Actually no. They listen to well thought out reasonable responses as well. |
mr merkzdem
38
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:53:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. Bad excuse really. CCP have previously had an inflated/unrealistic sense of cost, unless we scream and complain about it, the prises will increase instead.
in that case ccp sort your sh!t out this is straght up bullshit |
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS
29
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:54:00 -
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i was using the text channel to try to communicate to my m8 icecreaml1ng that he was about be shot in the back he was a long time dead before i hit the enter button .lol verbal chat no advantage at all |
mr merkzdem
38
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:54:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:mr merkzdem wrote:Rasatsu wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Ever heard of SKYPE ? Or any other fps game. I said I would have rather paid -ú100. for a decent fps that works rather than this so called FTP rip off rubbish. Ever heard of how Skype does its thing and why it would be a security issue for a game such as DUST? And while most people won't be crazy enough to cut the cable to your house during fleet fights (crazy russkies lol), there will be plenty enough people who'll throw a good DDOS at you during matches using botnets. No, I'm not ******* kidding. It will happen. again what are you mumbleing on about? paranoid much are we? I'm the author of a well known BitTorrent client and do virtualised networking as my day job. Skype operates quite similar to BitTorrent's DHT and P2P transfers, and the main weakness is that the connections are directly between the clients. Thus your IP address will be easily known to everyone on your team, corp, alliance, etc, that are on any channel you're listening on. All communication between DUST and EVE clients, even voice, goes through CCP's servers, so there's no practical way of getting this information. Once they got your IP they can DDOS you. And yes, I'm paranoid cause in EVE we learn to be.
tin foil hats all round then huh crazy mofo lol |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:56:00 -
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BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:i was using the text channel to try to communicate to my m8 icecreaml1ng that he was about be shot in the back he was a long time dead before i hit the enter button .lol verbal chat no advantage at all
Notice how they say voice chat in game is free. You sure do read well! |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:57:00 -
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mr merkzdem wrote:tin foil hats all round then huh crazy mofo lol
Mofo? Guess it takes one to know one.
No, in EVE it is never paranoia, because history have shown that they ARE really after you. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:58:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:i was using the text channel to try to communicate to my m8 icecreaml1ng that he was about be shot in the back he was a long time dead before i hit the enter button .lol verbal chat no advantage at all Notice how they say voice chat in game is free. You sure do read well!
I read that, but I couldn't get the damned thing to work. |
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