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howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:33:00 - [301] - Quote CCP; I urge you to continue listening to your customer community, your WHOLE customer community. Many of us feel the offering of UVTs ( and their specific functionality) is a good business and gaming decision. Many of us feel that what you are offering is, in fact, the option for players to communicate in ways that most other, even remotely similar,games do not offer. That is exactly the kind of additional elective choice that fits very well within the micro-transaction business model You know better than most of us what your target and potential market looks like. You know the likely percentage of players that will, very casually, use DUST as the free, fun,15-30 minutes of FPS gameplay that it will be. A great many of those customers will never opt to use the extended voice capabilities that the UVT provides. Thank you for offering us the choice. Thank you for not charging everyone for things they would otherwise not use. Please continue to monitor the data as well as listen to all community feedback (not just the verbose minority that most game forums represent). And please consider making all items that players can purchase for Aurum reselable for isk in the player market.
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:38:00 - [302] - Quote A great many customers just wont play and go to planetside 2. Edit And reading this whole thread we are not the minority, your view is inm afraid.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:40:00 - [303] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Chaz Lewis wrote: [pyramid] No, I just don't think it's a game-breaking issue, that's all. Thats because the real game hasnt started yet. Excellent point, Umallon. And as one of the most vocal opponents of UVTs as proposed by CCP you could consider taking your own advice and waiting till the game has started before decrying this whole thing as a failure.
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:43:00 - [304] - Quote The scale of the game on release will make UVT's practically compulsory on full release if you want to be part of a decent corp/alliance.
Gordon WarHammer Corporate Industrial Industries Corporation 3	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:58:00 - [305] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. makes sense to me to have to pay a little to talk between platforms... my only hope is that they can control the cost and not let this one get skewed by all the nefarious types in Dust/Eve (most all of them)
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.16 13:59:00 - [306] - Quote MrZIONY wrote: The scale of the game on release will make UVT's practically compulsory on full release if you want to be part of a decent corp/alliance. MrZ, that assumption may be born out as fact. In fact, I hope it is. I also hope that CCP goes forward with the UVT plan as stated while adjusting price and function based on a combination of full customer base feedback and hard data to accomplish two things: Provide a choice to players that enhances gameplay options and Provide a valuable revenue stream for CCP to continue to develop DUST and EVE into a transformational, industry changing entertainment experience Because Free to Play does not mean Free to Develop The cost for unlimited voice communications across two AAA games on multiple platforms should not be free. If F2P meant what a lot of the anti-UVT crowd seem to think then CCP would buy them a television , PS3, lunch and rent as well as developing DUST and giving them every single aspect of gameplay with no option for players to support CCP in further development Do some of you feel that last statement is excessive hyperbole? You are right and that is exactly how your arguments against micro transactions as a fair business model come across: unreasonable excessive hyperbole
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:05:00 - [307] - Quote I'm not arguing against micro transactions to fund the development of the game, I prefer it as opposed to a subscription based model. It means if I can't play for whatever reason I don't have to keep paying for the whole month. What I'm opposed to in a free 2 play game is a vital mechanic of said game being a paid element. I would probably pay around the cost of a subscription for a month of EvE in micro-tans for things like cooler looking suits etc. But not for an element that will be required to play the game as was intended. As part of a corp/alliance and taking and holding planets in null sec. Edit - I bought the merc pack even though I already had a beta key because I wanted to help develop the game, my opinion is that UVT's(In their current format) is wrong.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:08:00 - [308] - Quote MrZIONY wrote: A great many customers just wont play and go to planetside 2. Edit And reading this whole thread we are not the minority, your view is inm afraid. You assume that the loudest and most repetitive voices are the majority. I contend that You are not the majority. In fact, without real data regarding how many players are registered and participating in closed beta neither of us really know who is in the majority I respect your freedom to continue to voice your concerns about what you believe is a game breaking feature. Thank you for returning the same. Perhaps none of us represent the majority. It's ccp's company and game. They have the data. I hope they use it to make the best business decision for DUST
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:12:00 - [309] - Quote Well at least we can both agree that we want dust to do well CCP Should have known this issue would generate some heated debate they have been through it all before with EvE. Only time will tell how it pans out.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:28:00 - [310] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Chaz Lewis wrote: [pyramid] No, I just don't think it's a game-breaking issue, that's all. Thats because the real game hasnt started yet. Excellent point, Umallon. And as one of the most vocal opponents of UVTs as proposed by CCP you could consider taking your own advice and waiting till the game has started before decrying this whole thing as a failure. Or, conversely, I could use this BETA to make my opinions heard and acknowledged. It is my opinion that this 'feature' does more damage than its worth in cold hard cash, and that even if it was charged at rates comparable to competitors services it would STILL do more damage. I believe it is in the games' and CCP's best interests to make communication between players as easy and accessible as possible, and charging individuals on one side exorbitant rates for communication that is vital to CCP's vision of these games is contrary to both user demand and the healthiness of the universe and its products.

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:36:00 - [311] - Quote CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. @ CCP Jian Thumbs Up, thank you. @Everyone else who does not understand that you will get at a minimum the same voice/chat options as every other game on the market and likely more for FREE. SMH. What you are paying for is an add on, an extra feature in game. The only thing that needs to change is the price point, which needs to come down at least by half. Further break down for emphasis: -Team and Squad voice chat is completely FREE (Not sure about the Team aspect but squad chat is both in and OUT of game) -Text chat for all channels is completely FREE -In-game mail for all users is completely FREE -Everything other console shooters is completely FREE (If you were able to communicate in other games and operate/be active in your corps/clans, you will have the same resources in this game completely FREE) -And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's (This is CCP being flexible and increasing the value of UVT's)
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:47:00 - [312] - Quote CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. Orin the Freak wrote: alright, well, my main draw for playing DUST was to chat with friends AND play a game. i don't see why you would want to charge for something every other console game gives for free. I understand your desire for funds, but this is not where to get them. I mean, who is going to only want voice chat for a day? or 30 days for that matter? this is just a cheap, sleazy way to charge a (albeit small) monthly fee, and that is rather silly. Honestly, I think I'll pass. not really worth the money. ever since WoW I have a thing against monthly fees. The only reason I played EVE for as long as I did was because I didn't have to pay for it every month. Certainly one could argue "you don't HAVE to pay to play", but I would argue, with as many friends as I have, why WOULDN'T you want to talk to them? besides, I suppose I could just use Teamspeak, and not play DUST. Either way, I didn't support Microsoft because they come off as greedy, charging for online play and voice chat. I refuse to support a company that sees greed as necessary for profit. if you want to charge a monthly fee, charge a monthly fee, don't make the "game" free, then microtransaction the hell out of us. Seriously though, if you just make universal voice comms free, and charged more for other things, I would be fine with that. Voice comms, particularly alliance/corp UVC need to be free IMO. CCP Jian thats nice and all, but how can CCP justify charging 7.5x the going rate for VOIP?
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:57:00 - [313] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: CCP Jian thats nice and all, but how can CCP justify charging 7.5x the going rate for VOIP? Most agree this price needs to come down, hopefully we can shift the argument to --- "What is a more appropriate price for the UVT's"
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 14:59:00 - [314] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: @Everyone else who does not understand that you will get at a minimum the same voice/chat options as every other game on the market and likely more for FREE. SMH. What you are paying for is an add on, an extra feature in game. The only thing that needs to change is the price point, which needs to come down at least by half. I would probably say the price needs to come down 75% to be competitive with TS/Mumble/Vent. You describe the feature as an extra, that maybe so compared to other PS3 games but it doesn't change the fact that for corps to function across several sectors of the eve universe effectively will require comms. Yes require not "it would be nice to be able to". Although a minimum of 50% reduction of price would probably get a few of us off our high horses and accept it.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:03:00 - [315] - Quote MrZIONY wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: @Everyone else who does not understand that you will get at a minimum the same voice/chat options as every other game on the market and likely more for FREE. SMH. What you are paying for is an add on, an extra feature in game. The only thing that needs to change is the price point, which needs to come down at least by half. I would probably say the price needs to come down 75% to be competitive with TS/Mumble/Vent. You describe the feature as an extra, that maybe so compared to other PS3 games but it doesn't change the fact that for corps to function across several sectors of the eve universe effectively will require comms. Yes require not "it would be nice to be able to". Although a minimum of 50% reduction of price would probably get a few of us off our high horses and accept it. 100 Aurum a month would be the same cost as vent/teamspeak. Wish I could be there to see whoever thought 900 a month was a good idea balk at it.
MrZIONY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:05:00 - [316] - Quote Yeah 900 a month is just laughable.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:06:00 - [317] - Quote CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. If it' free maybe you should think about putting it somewhere other than RIGHT ON TOP OF THE CHAT BOX TO THE LEFT OF THE PUSH TO TALK BUTTON It's right in your face, it sure looks like it's pay to talk. Shouldn't you hide that in the Aur store? please?
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:07:00 - [318] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: CCP Jian thats nice and all, but how can CCP justify charging 7.5x the going rate for VOIP? Most agree this price needs to come down, hopefully we can shift the argument to --- "What is a more appropriate price for the UVT's" this, it should cost the same as any other paided voice chat option since that's what ccp is running between eve and dust. Or you use your own allaince TS channels but the cost needs to be what we expect from those services.
Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:10:00 - [319] - Quote crazy space wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: CCP Jian thats nice and all, but how can CCP justify charging 7.5x the going rate for VOIP? Most agree this price needs to come down, hopefully we can shift the argument to --- "What is a more appropriate price for the UVT's" this, it should cost the same as any other paided voice chat option since that's what ccp is running between eve and dust. Or you use your own allaince TS channels but the cost needs to be what we expect from those services. This is in my opinion the main issue. They got people backs up by ramming it in without any explanation and its way too expensive to be tempting. Those 900 aur could be spent on a booster implant while you get the laptop out for team speak 3. Look at the problem they have getting people to use eve voice a free service. Alliances are going to demand dust allies use third party programs, especially when the find out cross chat costs real money. Very ill conceived idea the UVT thingy. shrug they know how we feel, its up to CCP now.
Natu Nobilis 51	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:11:00 - [320] - Quote A little bit how things work in EVE, so we can try an analogy. For mundane chit chat, op calling, motivational texts, damage control, all sorts of tatical instructions people use: (External) - Forums - Ts3 / Vent - IRC (Internal) - EVE Voice - EVE Gate - Corp Bulletin boards - EVE Forum For the external options, you usually pay a fee, have maintance and regular fund supply from the members to do shiny things with your site and comms. Not all people pay, for it-¦s a community thing, some pepole finance alone, others pay a little but, other simply hop along and use without paying, but it-¦s a paid service. I-¦m not going to enter the merit of the vulnerabilities of the external options, for it has been said before. (DDoS is a ***** when you-¦re trying to coordinate 1k people in battle). This is the human communtaion. The avarage "so, how you doing?. It-¦s already a paid service. The thing is: paid by whom? The internal choices are included in you subscription (even if at one point they tried to charge for EVE Voice [hahahhaa]). NO ONE plays eve for "free", even the ones that buy plex with isk, are being "real money subsidized" by people who bought the plexes with real money. You pay with your time and isk and recieve money converted in game time. The external ones, are also paid services. You need to rent slots on voice comms, you need the domain registry, the forum maintance and such. The money comes from somewhere, be it altruist players, monthly fund raises, or ads. The avarage player got used to benefit from the community without making thedirect financial contribution. (For the alliance leaders get their investment back, multiple times actually, from your activity, ratting, defense power and corp taxes). Now, let-¦s move to our current situation. We have the Dust game, that is a shooter one. People hop in, go around, shoot faces, be happy about it. (Not the recieving end. [Usually. Looking at you masochists]). Much like a regular big fleet in EVE, you pick a ship, you lock the primary called by the FC, press F1 (Grouped weapons), and hope to not die in the process. (I like solo pvp or small gang, so no blobing talk please) Now, what-¦s the diference? In EVE, i have pretty much ALL the external options built in game (except IRC), and they are included the subscription fee. Even tough, most part of the people PAY AGAIN (with time or money) for the external options. In DUST, we may be able to use the MAJORITY of the features for free. Corporation is Corporation, be it in EVE or Dust, even if we don-¦t pay anything. EVE Gate, EVE Forum, Corp Bulletin Boards, all the regular corp features are common. You schedule big ops by Alliance mail and forums. "Be in X system at Y time, Z fleet doctrine". That-¦s strategic value available for everyone. I don-¦t know the costs of voice communication for the company, or how the process works when games on different plataforms FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER try to talk to each other, but certain costs should be paid somehow. That leads to the question of "what should be paid for?" * What are the essential, fundamental things that a shooter game needs in order to be playable? Are they implemented in the game? Are they free or paid to be used? What are the things that are not essential, but make a game "work" and be "enjoyable", hence, populated? Are they implemented in the game? Are they free or paid to be used? What are the things that have no necessity, but are a commodity to have? Are they implemented in the game? Are they free or paid to be used? The essential things, are confirmed to be implemented and free. I don-¦t think anyone disagrees with that. Without battle comms there-¦s no game, period. This leads to the "Enjoyable" and "Vanity" comms. Corp comms is a gray area. They are not "essential" to the game, but are definetly enjoyable and a gound base for a game to work, for MMOS are built on the interatcion among people. I think that-¦s the biggest atriction area here, and personally i would prefer it to be free, would understand it being charged for, and unless is a team effort like the renting of X slots for the entire team, people won-¦t pay single handedly for it. As for private channels, vita walkie talkie, spy work and such, that-¦s definetly a commodity for the PS3 - VITA users that are playing the game for FREE, unlike the EVE players that have the costs inside the subscription / plex. Prioritize and get feedback on the community of Waht-¦s "Essential" - "Enjoyable" - "Vanity", and work out better payment modes, because a strategy of depending on everyone to pay alone for a thing that is used in group (as in corp chat), it-¦s kinda doomed. X aurum for Y slots is a better, market tested model. Best regards

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:19:00 - [321] - Quote MrZIONY wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: @Everyone else who does not understand that you will get at a minimum the same voice/chat options as every other game on the market and likely more for FREE. SMH. What you are paying for is an add on, an extra feature in game. The only thing that needs to change is the price point, which needs to come down at least by half. I would probably say the price needs to come down 75% to be competitive with TS/Mumble/Vent. You describe the feature as an extra, that maybe so compared to other PS3 games but it doesn't change the fact that for corps to function across several sectors of the eve universe effectively will require comms. Yes require not "it would be nice to be able to". Although a minimum of 50% reduction of price would probably get a few of us off our high horses and accept it. Agreed, if you want a deeper experience, expect to pay a little $ into something that you spent $0.00 to download. Free to download and shoot people in the face...not free to get all the features you ever wanted in a FPS/MMO game And I agree with you, a 75% reduction would be nice and at a minimum, half.
StormForce64 11	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:48:00 - [322] - Quote MrZIONY wrote: CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. Yes but once the game goes live players who wants to be in serious corps/alliances will have to pay this or be of no use at all to their respective corp/alliance. Jian your reply also comes across as emotive, have we hit a nerve at CCP with this one especially after CCP had the same fiasco with EvE Voice and had to back down. The player are trying to tell you that we dont mind paying micro transactions for a whole host of things. Just not something that is vital to a corp/alliance based shooter where co-operation across planets and even entire sections of the EvEverse will be required. Edit - Just to add CCP many of your players see this as nothing more than a money grab and putting "Free" in caps doesn't change that or the view that your game is quickly becoming pay to win. I agree 100% The Corp/Alliance feature attracted me to this game. FPS are simply way better when playing in groups that can communicate easily before getting into a game. The microtransactions alone amount to death by a thousand paper cuts. Paying to talk to more than your immediate squad or team in a particular game goes over board.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:06:00 - [323] - Quote StormForce64 wrote: MrZIONY wrote: CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. Yes but once the game goes live players who wants to be in serious corps/alliances will have to pay this or be of no use at all to their respective corp/alliance. Jian your reply also comes across as emotive, have we hit a nerve at CCP with this one especially after CCP had the same fiasco with EvE Voice and had to back down. The player are trying to tell you that we dont mind paying micro transactions for a whole host of things. Just not something that is vital to a corp/alliance based shooter where co-operation across planets and even entire sections of the EvEverse will be required. Edit - Just to add CCP many of your players see this as nothing more than a money grab and putting "Free" in caps doesn't change that or the view that your game is quickly becoming pay to win. I agree 100% The Corp/Alliance feature attracted me to this game. FPS are simply way better when playing in groups that can communicate easily before getting into a game. The microtransactions alone amount to death by a thousand paper cuts. Paying to talk to more than your immediate squad or team in a particular game goes over board. You will still be able to talk in groups/clans/coprs outside of games when you are in your MQ of where ever not in match Further break down for emphasis: -Team and Squad voice chat is completely FREE (Not sure about the Team aspect but squad chat is both in and OUT of game) -Text chat for all channels is completely FREE -In-game mail for all users is completely FREE -Everything other console shooters is completely FREE (If you were able to communicate in other games and operate/be active in your corps/clans, you will have the same resources in this game completely FREE)
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:26:00 - [324] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: StormForce64 wrote: MrZIONY wrote: CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. Yes but once the game goes live players who wants to be in serious corps/alliances will have to pay this or be of no use at all to their respective corp/alliance. Jian your reply also comes across as emotive, have we hit a nerve at CCP with this one especially after CCP had the same fiasco with EvE Voice and had to back down. The player are trying to tell you that we dont mind paying micro transactions for a whole host of things. Just not something that is vital to a corp/alliance based shooter where co-operation across planets and even entire sections of the EvEverse will be required. Edit - Just to add CCP many of your players see this as nothing more than a money grab and putting "Free" in caps doesn't change that or the view that your game is quickly becoming pay to win. I agree 100% The Corp/Alliance feature attracted me to this game. FPS are simply way better when playing in groups that can communicate easily before getting into a game. The microtransactions alone amount to death by a thousand paper cuts. Paying to talk to more than your immediate squad or team in a particular game goes over board. You will still be able to talk in groups/clans/coprs outside of games when you are in your MQ of where ever not in match Further break down for emphasis: -Team and Squad voice chat is completely FREE (Not sure about the Team aspect but squad chat is both in and OUT of game) -Text chat for all channels is completely FREE -In-game mail for all users is completely FREE -Everything other console shooters is completely FREE (If you were able to communicate in other games and operate/be active in your corps/clans, you will have the same resources in this game completely FREE) I like how CCP says: 'We are something amazing above and beyond other shooters!' and then 'But you get everything other shooters have for FREE!' If CCP's plan is to charge a premium for what makes this game different from other console shooters, then they are punishing those who want to see this game live up to its vision, INCLUDING THEMSELVES. How about this CCP: alter David Reid's ad nauseum propaganda spiel to 'Dust is everything you are used to seeing from online console shooters, and if you pay more you can have this vast experience beyond that!' 'You've heard these stories about assassinations and bank heists in EVE Online, and now console players can be a part of that as long as they cough up the $3.60 a month 'being allowed to talk to people' cover charge.'
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:08:00 - [325] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: StormForce64 wrote: MrZIONY wrote: CCP Jian wrote: Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's. Yes but once the game goes live players who wants to be in serious corps/alliances will have to pay this or be of no use at all to their respective corp/alliance. Jian your reply also comes across as emotive, have we hit a nerve at CCP with this one especially after CCP had the same fiasco with EvE Voice and had to back down. The player are trying to tell you that we dont mind paying micro transactions for a whole host of things. Just not something that is vital to a corp/alliance based shooter where co-operation across planets and even entire sections of the EvEverse will be required. Edit - Just to add CCP many of your players see this as nothing more than a money grab and putting "Free" in caps doesn't change that or the view that your game is quickly becoming pay to win. I agree 100% The Corp/Alliance feature attracted me to this game. FPS are simply way better when playing in groups that can communicate easily before getting into a game. The microtransactions alone amount to death by a thousand paper cuts. Paying to talk to more than your immediate squad or team in a particular game goes over board. You will still be able to talk in groups/clans/coprs outside of games when you are in your MQ of where ever not in match Further break down for emphasis: -Team and Squad voice chat is completely FREE (Not sure about the Team aspect but squad chat is both in and OUT of game) -Text chat for all channels is completely FREE -In-game mail for all users is completely FREE -Everything other console shooters is completely FREE (If you were able to communicate in other games and operate/be active in your corps/clans, you will have the same resources in this game completely FREE) I like how CCP says: 'We are something amazing above and beyond other shooters!' and then 'But you get everything other shooters have for FREE!' If CCP's plan is to charge a premium for what makes this game different from other console shooters, then they are punishing those who want to see this game live up to its vision, INCLUDING THEMSELVES. How about this CCP: alter David Reid's ad nauseum propaganda spiel to 'Dust is everything you are used to seeing from online console shooters, and if you pay more you can have this vast experience beyond that!' 'You've heard these stories about assassinations and bank heists in EVE Online, and now console players can be a part of that as long as they cough up the $3.60 a month 'being allowed to talk to people' cover charge.' They should say that if they are charging $60 for their game and then charging $3.60 a month for things that make their game different from other console shooters. But they are not charging $60 for their game...
steadyhand 08 orti Doomheim 43	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:09:00 - [326] - Quote sssoooo i have two choices either A pay for this to talk to peeps in my corp and EvE ooorrrrr B get a TS sever and do the same thing anyway i cant see this as a buy-able thing lasting their are a lot free alternative options out their for people to use.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:14:00 - [327] - Quote meh just dual client. i have the PS3 Right beside the PC so i can in theory play both eve and dust at the same time. tami in dust : Rawr i call in lasor lights of doom tami in eve : F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 , picks up ps3 dualshock 3 controller and chuckles enemy merc 1: OMG tamiyacowboy just OB'd me enemy merc 2 : eh ? what theres two, na i just killed him enemy merc 2: omg he just killed me to with an OB
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:27:00 - [328] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: Did I already say remove pay to talk, after that remove ptt as well and give the ******* option to mute instead good god You can remove push to talk yourself!! Ffs why are people ignorant to this!!?? Press select to get the side bar/window up with corp/local chat etc......and the option is at the top right next to 'buy universal voice transmitter'
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:29:00 - [329] - Quote steadyhand 08 orti wrote: sssoooo i have two choices either A pay for this to talk to peeps in my corp and EvE ooorrrrr B get a TS sever and do the same thing anyway i cant see this as a buy-able thing lasting their are a lot free alternative options out their for people to use. And remember, TS is a fraction of the cost!
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2012.08.16 18:22:00 - [330] - Quote like I said, Charge slightly more for the add ons, and make corp/alliance UVT free. I do find it kind of car-salesmanlike of the CCP forum devs to insist that the things we ARE getting for "FREE" are a bargain, but that isn't the case. you tried charging for voice comms separately for EVE as well, and how did that turn out? you could argue that the EVE subscription costs cover that, but I could argue that they could make the OTHER microtransactions in DUST cover free voice comms for everyone (at least for corp/alliance chats). Heck, then I wouldn't even mind you charged 900 AUR a month for private CUSTOM voice chat (with people outside your corp/alliance) I would be fine with that. but seriously, I am very active in my corp/alliance, and will need that link, but I absolutely refuse to pay. Here's the question. As not just a business, but a video game developing business, when you see an opportunity to make a buck, but at the cost of coming off as either greedy, or downright out-of-touch to some/most (depending on how you look at it) of your fans/followers, do you take that opportunity, or do you find alternative, less.. invasive ways of making a profit? Granted, you may have been jaded by all the complaints about microtransactions and skill boosters, etc. in the recent past, most of which have blown over by now. So you might think this is just another one of those things, and people will just swallow their pride and wallets and just pay the cost. But I have a feeling this isn't one of those things. In a lot of peoples minds, mine included, voice comms, in any form, are NOT to be made an "extra option". But I am not willing to pay extra for it. I can't speak for everyone else, but I can guarantee you, a lot of people are probably with me on this.



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