LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

i hope this is a joke

yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little.......

I call this the first offical thread naught of dust 514

btw this is for out of battle areas such as local corp group ect ect.

Ok! Here's how it goes.
Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does.
I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things.
But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk.
that's what they are
'Universal voice transmitters' and 'wherever they may be' are the key words

Shitstorm coming.

People, be reasonable: (HAHAHAHHA)

Talking during fight: Free
Talking on the corp channel: Not sure about that, probably free.

Talking to people like a freaking cell phone using your vita and the neocom: A paid service.

Does this REALLY seems unreasonable for you ?

I wouldn-¦t pay, but charge a vita neocom voice chat is not unreasonable.

Loved the graphics, prefered the old voices, THE HELL HAPPEND TO MY DROPSHIPS. I used to pilot, now i suck completely.

Stop the flamming dude.

They-¦re not making you pay to talk. You can talk just like before, on specific locatiosn relevant to the game (battle, perhaps corp chat). Was here before, still here now.

Now, on a DIFFERENT scenario, one that we perhaps didnt even IMAGINED before, they added a service and are charging for it. Something that wasnt here before. No loss from previous rights.

And you still think this is unreasonable?

The PR of the thing was a mess (seriously CCP, you should have learned by now your market mentality on surprises like this), but the funcionality is not absurd.

Your reading comprehension surpases mine in some way, for i can-¦t read that much into it.

I had something before, i still have it now.
Somehting news shows up, something new is being charged for.

No loss for anything i-¦ve been experiencing since entering the beta.

Really can-¦t see your point. Would you care to elaborate in an objective way ?

I will.

What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption?

You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win

And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet)

So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain

And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc

Since 2007.

Well mate, if you-¦re not going to elaborate further, then there-¦s no point in talking. Not interested in a background check opening space for ad hominem.

Something news howed up, people are scared of changes, shitstorm is coming, the PR crew will sort this out (hahahhaha) and everyone will be mery in their ways.

And CCP, please stop feeding the trolls. You know this is the kind of thing that will be over simplified and cause embaracment for everyone, next step is the media coverage, than the questions "will Dust suceed after such a turmoil?" and then a zombie apocalypse shows up the world ends and the universe explodes, all because a little change.

*Sight*

pyramid

Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with

Hello.

First, people don-¦t use text in EVE. (Except for spam in local, drawing genitalia and such). They use TS3 / Vent. No one in a serious corp uses text. Voice is the mean of communication. You can-¦t coordinate combats with text. EVE even provides a free com (EVE Voice) for people, but habit / someotherthings make them use external clients.

What is "this" that you mention? We only have a description of an item, in my head its for making PS VITAs using NEOCOM an expensive walkie talkie and paying for it. In yours, it-¦s a restriction on voice comms, removing features that are present as we write (just had a battle using the push to talk (yay \o/) buttons. No charge for it. Same thing as before.

In the future, we-¦ll probably use EVE Voice to communicate with the corp members (corporations can have both dust and eve players). It will probably be free, since it uses the client already in the server we are at ! (One server to rule them all, remember?)

I only see mass hysteria around here, but, that-¦s exactly what a shitstorm is. People manufacturing information out of their heads, assuming they-¦re truth, and complaining about speculations that they themselves created.

How about waiting for clarifications from devs before announcments of "ruined game" ?

Best regards

Exactly! Because there-¦s no information about the issue, and everyone is talking crazy!

Give them some time to adress the feature.

Ice cream princess or what ever the F@@@ your name is, see this post? No you didn't that and using it on the PS Vita are probably what they are used for.

Again you assumed to know everything, but really you no nothing..

If I am a spy in the middle of a battle and don't want to chat with the corp I am spying on, then I use VT to talk to my real team to attack or bomb the planet I am on.

Sure thing mate. In the mean time, i-¦ll continue to gladly have chat with my squad members using the free voice comms that Dust provides.

Yup I sure am, because this makes sense, while charging for Voice chat is not realistic. They have already stated corps will have chat channels, groups will have chat channels, so what does VT do but allow you to talk to players not in those groups.

You kids need to stay in school. Math & economics. Try it!

T H I S I S B U L L S H I T ! ! !

Posting in yet another .. OMG I WANTS IT ALL FOR FREE .. thread

Remember kiddies, everything in Dust can be brought and sold on the market for ISK as well.

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

UVT is NOT required for:

- Team voice chat
- Squad voice chat

Text chat is of course free everywhere.
Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.

Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.

So has no one noticed that in this update we got virtually everything we asked for and more? Pretty much every nerf request, or buff request has been applied. Almost every feature that has been bitched about on this forum in the past 2 months has been implemented by the developers.

So go ahead and throw your temper tantrums and wail and moan. They listened the last time, and they probably will again. Just don't go on about like little babies if they don't do it on your timetable.

can i just say something? if so do CCP do cola because if they do i would order one....

I don't really care either. Seriously, who talks to someone when they're not in the same match? That's what the text chat is for. A lot of these people seem to be over-reacting a bit, and need to stop focusing on an unimportant issue and focus on bugs and glitches and such.

A wild Thought appears!
...if the UVT turns out to be tradable in the market -and reasonably priced- there wouldn't be a problem here.
On the contrary, this would make it a valuable wartime commodity like radios, traveling on freighters down the major pipes...
*Homer drool* mmm... Freighter wrecks...

If you go this route CCP, try to set the AUR cost according to server prices in the major 3rd party comm providers.

Hold the phone we have to pay to talk to eve players that is kinda bogis dude I mean if we can still talk to them while we are on the battle field that is fine i guess but yeah I think that is a little to much CCP

I guess you don't plan on playing seriously with a corp...
Love it when people say "focus on the issues"...

Well. Here is the issue. Right in this thread.

...Which is why i suggested that they Change The Cost to at least match competitors, if not undercut them, in the last line.
That doesn't mean I don't agree. EDIT : Even though your math doesn't include EVE players that don't have to pay extra, such costs could present a problem for smaller alliances
If the AUR price stays the same or increases, i will jump off the fence into your side of the story.

I'm already in a corp called FoxHound dude. I was just stating my opinion.

[*pyramid*]

No, I just don't think it's a game-breaking issue, that's all.

Excellent point, Umallon. And as one of the most vocal opponents of UVTs as proposed by CCP you could consider taking your own advice and waiting till the game has started before decrying this whole thing as a failure.

Reminding again: there is completely FREE Team and Squad voice chat, completely FREE text chat for all channels, completely FREE in-game mail for all users - everything other console shooters have and more, for FREE... And, yes, of course, we are looking into additional options, offers, features, etc for UVT's.

I would probably say the price needs to come down 75% to be competitive with TS/Mumble/Vent. You describe the feature as an extra, that maybe so compared to other PS3 games but it doesn't change the fact that for corps to function across several sectors of the eve universe effectively will require comms. Yes require not "it would be nice to be able to". Although a minimum of 50% reduction of price would probably get a few of us off our high horses and accept it.

You will still be able to talk in groups/clans/coprs outside of games when you are in your MQ of where ever not in match


Further break down for emphasis:
-Team and Squad voice chat is completely FREE (Not sure about the Team aspect but squad chat is both in and OUT of game)
-Text chat for all channels is completely FREE
-In-game mail for all users is completely FREE
-Everything other console shooters is completely FREE (If you were able to communicate in other games and operate/be active in your corps/clans, you will have the same resources in this game completely FREE)

sssoooo i have two choices either A pay for this to talk to peeps in my corp and EvE

ooorrrrr B get a TS sever and do the same thing anyway

i cant see this as a buy-able thing lasting their are a lot free alternative options out their for people to use.

I would like to ask a valid question.

Is it possible CCP if you can ask US what we will pay for.

i can honestly say i would pay to have my eve char imported to dust ( imported as in full body avatar)
with all the sparkle.

Thank you CCP for not forcing me to have to listen to this guy over voice com unless I have the misfortune of joining a match with him. I appreciate anything you do to help keep his voice out of any room I'm in.

hen I attend a conference call at work I DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE COMPANY ON A CALL. Whoever's in charge attends, or communicates via e-mail, then everyone else is advised in person of the game plan, or sent an e-mail. It stops the "he said she said" bull**** that interferes with professionalism.

You have a ****ing squad leader for a reason. If you're in a battlegroup he's the only one who needs to communicate with anyone else for strategy.

I'm already tired of all of this ****ing carebear tear-filled whiny **** . You aren't failing to get support because you didn't get the special com. You were just auto-muted when everyone heard you complaining about them when we dropped in for the match.

You've got a message system that lets you in-game e-mail people. Keyboard & mouse support that will allow you to type in a chat room. Voice coms for organization in battle. You're *****ing about not getting free voice coms for free private rooms to chat in. This isn't some new phone service through your PS3 so that you can chat up the girl you just saw in the hot scout suit last game. If you want her in your battle group you'll just have to send her a message & see if she replies back.

Hmm, you're cellphone was through Verizon till your contract expired too huh?

And in actuality, it's more like having a provider who charges through the nose for long distance but then gives you unlimited e-mails & text.

Make a game based around the importance of teamwork, then put a money block on being able to use it?
Wow. Just...wow.
Unacceptable.

why did you bump this back up i mean come on 18 pages what else is there to say

Pretty sure the "default OFF" voice comms got reset by the last patch so you just have to turn them on again.

And pretty sure this paid system is ONLY for out-of-battle comms or for comms with people not in your match.

If I'm wrong, then... this is completely ridiculous and NO CCP THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, but I don't think I'm wrong.

It doesn't matter. No one is using in game comms anyway. I'm just fed up of Playin with a bunch of retards too busy listening to vent/TS to work with their ******* team. Game's **** because of it.

No, this is fine, especially since this is not integral to gameplay. (as in, you don't need UVT to speak in squads/team)

Most of you that use TeamSpeak in EVE Online are forgetting that someone is footing the bill to keep it up. UVT is essentially the same thing, but cutting out extra hassle. :p

You are absolutely right, sadly. They left grouping to late and people found ways round it like SKYPE which they are now sticking with as they don't want to pay the game price, but more so the squad size is ridiculously small and you can't group squads to make a team. This needs to be sorted ASAP or comms on this game will not be used and it wiil die fast.

CCP might as well give this one up they're not going to win this. Even if all the players don't decide to walk out on them, it's not as if there aren't already a plethora of other free voice chat services that will work just as well as in game for corp chat. All the rage aside this just isn't a pragmatic business model, thinking an organization will pay you for something they can get elsewhere for free.

CCP should at least give a trial of such services they want players to pay for so we know what we're missing.

Uvt's are NOT for team chat, or squad chat, or for any kind of chat in a match. They are for communication between eve and dust players who ARE NOT on the same planet but are in fact in other star systems.
If you can find a way to use another free chat service to talk to eve/dust players in a different star system then by all means go right ahead, but good luck with that.....you'll need it.

Uvt's - for communication between dust mercs/eve pilots/corporations etc who are not within typical communication range I.E another planet/star system. Not for 'in match' chat between dust mercs and eve pilots IN ORBIT of the location of the match.
In match chat is free. Long distance chat is not. Live with it.
how many times are people going to NEED to chat with another merc/eve pilot who are 10 star systems away? What purpose would it serve unless you are part of a corporation?
What matters is the communication between pilots in orbit and mercs, and between merc to merc. If you don't wish to pay for Uvt's then don't buy them simple as that. If you need one for a few hours then buy the 24hr uvt.

At the end of the day no one is being forced to buy anything, aur assets and isk assets will all be tradeable upon full release, Uvt's are a way to communicate long distance but are optional, I don't see the problem

what the Uvt's do is in their description on the market, it doesn't take a genius to work it out bro. And you miss mY point regarding voip, how is on suppose to communicate with RANDOM eve players and RANDOM dust players if they choose to use an alternative means of communication?????????
I read the post I quoted, and my response was fitting.
I'm sick of seeing little whiney bitches moan about the whole pay to talk thing, and 'my mic doesn't work' etc etc etc.
Its not pay to talk, and try turning the voice chat on.

Pyramid

Equal is perfectly acceptable. Under an F2P model premium services are charged. We don't have to like it, at all. I would like full chat to be free too. Someone has to foot the bill and there are no subscriptions to swallow the cost.

I was referring to cost in terms of CCP's development, otherwise I would have said price. As I said, the price feels ( is ) high. Unless you have knowledge of CCP's inner workings you do not know the cost.

Not being available out of game will be the biggest draw-back of this service, agreed.... aside from price.

EVE is run on a PC, I can download ventrilo/TS with zero problem and log into a chat server. Unless I'm mistaken, it is significantly harder to install a 3rd party chat on PS3. If you try to tell someone they need to spend 2-3 hours installing a 3rd party chat to play with you on PS3 they'll probably laugh.


Communication is worth running at a loss if and only if the cost of that loss can be made up in other areas. If every other AUR item has to increase by 500% then it probably wouldn't be worth running at a loss. The other sales would drop too much.

Don't get me wrong, if I could fire up Ventrilo on my PS3 I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd probably pay to support my corps server. TS and Ventrilo are excellent.

Dear players,

We are quite impressed and inspired by your feedbacks and comments regarding the UVT introduction. Therefore, we have made some changes and a more detailed description on what the UVT is and offers. We hope that this will address many of your concerns and illustrate its value to players. We look forward to hearing your feedback as you test the UVT during beta and together we can improve its implementation.

Fostering smooth and easy communication for our players is hugely important for CCP and a key element of DUST 514. Long-time EVE Online players know that we think a thriving community is imperative to a gameGÇÖs success.

WeGÇÖd like to clarify how the chat and voice function will work within DUST 514 and between DUST 514 and EVE Online. WeGÇÖre offering a very robust suite of options for free.

• Voice chat in DUST 514 for teams in a battle is free.
• Voice chat in DUST 514 pre-made squads, both in and out of battle, is free.
• All text chat, including text chat between DUST 514 and EVE Online, is free.
• All mail, including mail between DUST 514 and EVE Online, is free

The following activities will require the purchase of a Universal Voice Transmitter (UVT) using Aurum (AUR), the currency purchased with real world money in DUST 514.

• Voice chat in a custom channel in DUST 514 (which can include both DUST 514 and EVE Online players)
• Voice chat in a Corp channel (which can include both DUST 514 and EVE Online players) when Corps are implemented in DUST 514

We have not finalized pricing for the UVT GÇô it is likely that the prices youGÇÖve seen will be reduced by the time the game exits closed beta. We are also looking into offering the ability for Corps to buy UVT items that cover the entire group.

In addition, in order to test the voice chat feature, we are going to reduce the cost of the UVT to 1 AUR for the duration of the closed beta.

Lastly, weGÇÖll soon be adding a player-driven market to DUST 514 that will allow players to buy and sell all manner of items for ISK (the currency you earn in game), including UVTs.

FAQ:

Q: Why do DUST players have to pay for voice chat and EVE players do not?
A: In EVE Online, we can cover the ongoing costs of voice chat through the gameGÇÖs subscription fee. Because DUST is free-to-play, we will need players to cover some of the costs of voice chat.

Q: How do you enable voice chat across DUST 514 and EVE Online?
A: You can purchase a Universal Voice Transmitter in DUST 514 using Aurum

Q: How much does a UVT cost?
A: We have not finalized pricing for the UVT. The pricing in the closed beta test is preliminary and we would love to get feedback from players via the beta testing forums.

Q: Will the price of a UVT stay at 1 AUR after closed beta ends?
A: No, this is a temporary price to encourage players to test the feature. Final pricing for UVTs has not been determined.

Q: Will EVE players have to pay to voice chat with DUST players?
A: No, we have no plans at this time to charge extra for EVE players to cross-game voice chat

Q: When will the player market be added to DUST 514?
A: This is something the development team is working on. We are definitely planning to implement it.

Q: ArenGÇÖt UVTs a pay-to-win feature since they make communication easier and are only available for purchase with AUR?
A: We understand this concern and plan to address it before the game ships via the in-game player market, which will allow players to buy and sell UVTs with ISK, the currency awarded in game.

The other solution.

Seperate downloadable eve voice client with competitive costs and the security of new eden API systems.

I think on most points we need to agree to disagree, we're actually not THAT far apart.


Is there a way for me to easily boot up either Teamspeak or Ventrilo on my PS3.
If yes, you may very well be right on the quoted.

If the answer is no, then I will submit that it won't matter what the few demand. They will be crushed under the tide of the majority.

they have to pay for eve voice someway...

All versions of the UVT have been reduced to 1 AUR. CCP has heard your feedback and procrastinated.

I will not pay for UVT in EVE - I'll truck out a computer to the TV or hook up my phone with Mumble first. I imagine other DUSTers who are affiliated with established alliances in EVE will do the same.

Good grief, what a bunch of sniveling ingrates. lol You are getting everything offered in traditional MP FPS games for FREE in a FREE to play game. Seriously, was a mission to wade through all the snot from from the last 20 pages.

@CCP - Don't listen to these kiddies and their bloated sense of entitlement. Your business model is fine.