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Iso Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
56
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:37:00 -
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Paying for voice is going to kill Dust.
What's going to happen is they will just migrate to TS3/Ventrilo servers for out of game communication, so CCP will fail to get revenue from this item. Worse, it will have a VERY negative effect on CCP, and further paint them as a company that's greedy for money and figuring out how to bleed its customers dry. They barely dodged a bullet with the Monocole scandal, and the release of the "Greed is Good" newsletter. To continue down this road will only bring all this back into light, and with an even worse effect than before. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:38:00 -
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Iso Shalim wrote:Paying for voice is going to kill Dust.
What's going to happen is they will just migrate to TS3/Ventrilo servers for out of game communication, so CCP will fail to get revenue from this item. Worse, it will have a VERY negative effect on CCP, and further paint them as a company that's greedy for money and figuring out how to bleed its customers dry. They barely dodged a bullet with the Monocole scandal, and the release of the "Greed is Good" newsletter. To continue down this road will only bring all this back into light, and with an even worse effect than before. what was the monocle scandal? |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:40:00 -
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lol screw this im not paying for beeing aible to talk. Hello skype. Thats for free. I just make a group, invite every 1 to skype and then talk like this. There are ways around that so bah very bad buisness idea. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:41:00 -
[64] - Quote
Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iso Shalim wrote:Paying for voice is going to kill Dust.
What's going to happen is they will just migrate to TS3/Ventrilo servers for out of game communication, so CCP will fail to get revenue from this item. Worse, it will have a VERY negative effect on CCP, and further paint them as a company that's greedy for money and figuring out how to bleed its customers dry. They barely dodged a bullet with the Monocole scandal, and the release of the "Greed is Good" newsletter. To continue down this road will only bring all this back into light, and with an even worse effect than before. what was the monocle scandal?
The $80 monocle allowed you to see your opponents better. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iso Shalim wrote:Paying for voice is going to kill Dust.
What's going to happen is they will just migrate to TS3/Ventrilo servers for out of game communication, so CCP will fail to get revenue from this item. Worse, it will have a VERY negative effect on CCP, and further paint them as a company that's greedy for money and figuring out how to bleed its customers dry. They barely dodged a bullet with the Monocole scandal, and the release of the "Greed is Good" newsletter. To continue down this road will only bring all this back into light, and with an even worse effect than before. what was the monocle scandal? The $80 monocle allowed you to see your opponents better. LOL That sounds like a bad business decision! |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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Did I already say remove pay to talk, after that remove ptt as well and give the ******* option to mute instead good god |
Iso Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
56
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iso Shalim wrote:Paying for voice is going to kill Dust.
What's going to happen is they will just migrate to TS3/Ventrilo servers for out of game communication, so CCP will fail to get revenue from this item. Worse, it will have a VERY negative effect on CCP, and further paint them as a company that's greedy for money and figuring out how to bleed its customers dry. They barely dodged a bullet with the Monocole scandal, and the release of the "Greed is Good" newsletter. To continue down this road will only bring all this back into light, and with an even worse effect than before. what was the monocle scandal?
This was when Aurum was first released in Eve. To buy a monocole cost something in the realm of $100 USD (I might be off on the number, but I know it was high). Someone leaked out an internal mail from Hilmar, the CEO of CCP that basically had him saying "**** off" to people that were complaining about it. This lead to the Jita Riots, the leak of an internal CCP newsletter, and changes done by CCP, most of which have involved ignoring the Aurum and NEX storefront stuff.
Short version, for a better one with details, just google "Monocolegate". |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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I call this the first offical thread naught of dust 514
btw this is for out of battle areas such as local corp group ect ect. |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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Remove pay to talk and give the OPTION of push to talk. Some people prefer push to talk system. Personally I think it will be a pain to use push to talk while in combat. |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:48:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:Remove pay to talk and give the OPTION of push to talk. Some people prefer push to talk system. Personally I think it will be a pain to use push to talk while in combat. must not have read it is ptt
nevermind i think i know what you were saying the option to turn off ptt |
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Iso Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
56
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Here's a good overview for what I was talking about. Forgot a few more important details.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:50:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.
1-day 3-day 7-day 30-day
60 150 250 900
Aurum.
WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY?
Ok! Here's how it goes. Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does. I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things. But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk. that's what they are 'Universal voice transmitters' and 'wherever they may be' are the key words |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I call this the first offical thread naught of dust 514
btw this is for out of battle areas such as local corp group ect ect.
I'd be well pleased with myself if I wasn't busy being horrified at the sudden turn for the worst this game has taken.
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Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:51:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:Remove pay to talk and give the OPTION of push to talk. Some people prefer push to talk system. Personally I think it will be a pain to use push to talk while in combat. must not have read it is ptt nevermind i think i know what you were saying the option to turn off ptt yea but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to add in an individual player mute function |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:54:00 -
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Shitstorm coming.
People, be reasonable: (HAHAHAHHA)
Talking during fight: Free Talking on the corp channel: Not sure about that, probably free.
Talking to people like a freaking cell phone using your vita and the neocom: A paid service.
Does this REALLY seems unreasonable for you ?
I wouldn-¦t pay, but charge a vita neocom voice chat is not unreasonable.
Loved the graphics, prefered the old voices, THE HELL HAPPEND TO MY DROPSHIPS. I used to pilot, now i suck completely.
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Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:54:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.
1-day 3-day 7-day 30-day
60 150 250 900
Aurum.
WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY? Ok! Here's how it goes. Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does. I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things. But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk. that's what they are 'Universal voice transmitters' and 'wherever they may be' are the key words
OK! Here's how it goes. CCP =/= phone company. I don't care what fluff they attach to it, its garbage.
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Sinker1346
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:56:00 -
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you should not have this item in the game, if they dont want to implement chat out of battle then they should just drop that item from the game and let players use third party chat out of a battle. |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:56:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Shitstorm coming.
People, be reasonable: (HAHAHAHHA)
Talking during fight: Free Talking on the corp channel: Not sure about that, probably free.
Talking to people like a freaking cell phone using your vita and the neocom: A paid service.
Does this REALLY seems unreasonable for you ?
I wouldn-¦t pay, but charge a vita neocom voice chat is not unreasonable.
Loved the graphics, prefered the old voices, THE HELL HAPPEND TO MY DROPSHIPS. I used to pilot, now i suck completely.
Unreasonable? A company that talks about communication being the key to emergent gameplay wanting to charge you for the privilege of talking?
Yeah.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:57:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.
1-day 3-day 7-day 30-day
60 150 250 900
Aurum.
WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY? Ok! Here's how it goes. Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does. I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things. But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk. that's what they are 'Universal voice transmitters' and 'wherever they may be' are the key words
Even if it is a specialist voice service so you can hear what is going on in another battle while you are on CQ or in another battle then it should be ISK
ISK is easily gained tbh, and make the 30day one cheap like 5K tbh so ppl can easily afford it and wont be bothered by 5k of ISK for 1 month
AUR is not the way to go since its real money and ppl can avoid it altogether
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Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:59:00 -
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You guys realize ccp has to make money somehow right? They arent making a f2p game just for the hell of it and because they like you. |
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote:You guys realize ccp has to make money somehow right? They arent making a f2p game just for the hell of it and because they like you.
AUR items and boosters will do that alone |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
120
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:02:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Universal Voice Transmitters are biomechanical implants that provide personal access to subspace routers, allowing users to communicate instantly with one another wherever they may be. The implants degrade over time and cease to function when fully absorbed by the user.
1-day 3-day 7-day 30-day
60 150 250 900
Aurum.
WTF am I looking at? Is voicechat pay2play? SERIOUSLY? Ok! Here's how it goes. Technically its a type of voice chat but if you read the description of the item it says what it does. I've just been in a few matches talking up a storm with my fellow dusters and I haven't bought those things. But what they enable you to do is basically talk to people who aren't even in the same game as you, they could be fighting on a totally different planet......and you can still talk. that's what they are
You don't understand....
Making VC on a CONSOLE P2C is just simply crazy. Trying to type with a virtual KB/M is insanely difficult, and VC is BUILT INTO THE FREAKING CONSOLE. It's like saying "OK, from now on in EVE, you have to P2C using the KB/M" Even the FREE FPS's on a PC I've played recognize that VC is a fundamental requirement. For an FPS, KB/M chat is no good. I have to STOP what I'm doing, just to say something.
And remember it's 900 AUR for 30 days. That means every 3 months you have to pay another $20 to talk another 3 months. BTW, that's $80 yr = $7 mo JUST to talk (not including any other items you may purchase like the sp boosters) to your friends / corp outside of a match. |
Fredreichson von Fredreich
40
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:02:00 -
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So let me get up to speed on this thread so far:
- Baddies with ADHD read the first three words of the item description and immediately come to the worst possible conclusion (I CANT USE VOICE CHAT AT ALL THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY) and flip out on the forums writing very angry rants about something they did not even try to understand
- More baddies reinforce this incorrect conclusion by failing to notice Push-To-Talk is now the default setting and must be changed in the options menu
- The three people who trained the skill reading comprehension past level 1 have their sensible posts buried under a mountain of idiots crying about the game being ruined (again)
Yup just another good old CCP patch day
That said I still think this implementation is a little dumb and all this is going to do is push corps to do some awkward **** with teamspeak/ventrilo and a laptop
Would probably be less bad if they cost 10% as much as they do now or lasted a LONG amount of time (1 month, 3 month, 6 month, year instead of 1 day, 3 day, 1 week, 1 month) imho tbh fyi fgsfds |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:03:00 -
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The thing is the lords of the internet charge for voice comms somone has to foot the bill. In eve its built into the sub (ccp ate the bill on that one basically) however for dust 514 its unreasonable for a compnay that barelys gets 66 million a year to pay for voice coms for a potential million people.
Asking eve players to also hoof the bill may not be a good thing either as it would almsot require a price increase on subs. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:03:00 -
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There are chat channels that mix with EVE and Dust people. To chat in them you have to have that Universal thing. For squads and in game, you don't. |
Terram Nenokal
BetaMax.
115
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:04:00 -
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This is like Eve Voice all over again.
It used to be an addition $4 a month on top of an Eve subscription fee. Only way for it to be useful was for your whole corp to purchase the account upgrade. The result was predictably bad. CCP eventually made it free for everyone, so hopefully this is a similar case. |
Natu Nobilis
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:04:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Unreasonable? A company that talks about communication being the key to emergent gameplay wanting to charge you for the privilege of talking?
Yeah.
Stop the flamming dude.
They-¦re not making you pay to talk. You can talk just like before, on specific locatiosn relevant to the game (battle, perhaps corp chat). Was here before, still here now.
Now, on a DIFFERENT scenario, one that we perhaps didnt even IMAGINED before, they added a service and are charging for it. Something that wasnt here before. No loss from previous rights.
And you still think this is unreasonable?
The PR of the thing was a mess (seriously CCP, you should have learned by now your market mentality on surprises like this), but the funcionality is not absurd.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:09:00 -
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The more i think about the more i think it maybe also used between DUST and EVE players espc for OB
I still say make it ISK and not AUR tho but we will see how it plays out and what CCP do say |
Mirun Hirute
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:09:00 -
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You don't need to purchase Universal Voice Transmitters to use voice chat in battles (this includes in the prebattle lobbies). However, you do now need to find the chat channel with everyone in it and activate it for voice (press X, a context menu will appear, activate voice is somewhere there). Once that's done, you'll be able to hear everyone else and see who is using voice chat.
What the UVT appears to be is an awkward means to allow out of battle chat for whenever you are anywhere in New Eden. It may also be the means for voice comms between Dust and EVE, but this is presently unknown as far as I'm aware. Also, voice chat may be available out of battle but only within squad chat channels you set up before jumping into a battle. |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:12:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:
Unreasonable? A company that talks about communication being the key to emergent gameplay wanting to charge you for the privilege of talking?
Yeah.
Stop the flamming dude. They-¦re not making you pay to talk. You can talk just like before, on specific locatiosn relevant to the game (battle, perhaps corp chat). Was here before, still here now. Now, on a DIFFERENT scenario, one that we perhaps didnt even IMAGINED before, they added a service and are charging for it. Something that wasnt here before. No loss from previous rights. And you still think this is unreasonable? The PR of the thing was a mess (seriously CCP, you should have learned by now your market mentality on surprises like this), but the funcionality is not absurd.
Flame this: Restricting communications is bad for the game universe. Restricting the most convenient communication method of the medium is a death sentence. Do you think EVE would even exist if they charged real money for using text chat? |
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