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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:46:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this?
I will.
What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption?
You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win
And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet)
So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain
And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc
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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:49:00 -
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Forget what you think you know or have experienced with other games.
That is a box you're living in--get out of it. Try something new. The Aurum will be refunded and you don't have to use it for additional comms channels again.
I love that they are willing to try something new in the micro transaction market. Increased comms bandwidth: brilliant! |
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:52:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:yes they are only for player made groups though not for squads. it was announced in the past that we would have to pay aurum for these but we were promised reasonable prices those seem a little....... Who in their right mind would pay for this? I will. What thefuck do you people want?! The moon delivered on a silver platter for your selfish gluttonous consumption? You know that voice comms have sucked hard up to this point but we all managed to play the game. And win And it sounds like this option is for additional comms bandwidth - not squad comms (not sure haven't seen it yet) So- yah - if it is not play to win then it is fair game. I will take my hard earned personal income and use it to gain any additional fun and/or advantage I can gain And for the record: I would still pay Aurum for detailed info and reports about other corporations' assets, capabilities, contracts, etc Good for you. Those of us that don't suck on anything stuck in our face will use free alternatives, and be a lot more careful which of CCP's crazy schemes we'll spend our money on.
Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with |
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:06:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:xprotoman23 wrote: CS:GO for $12 is looking better and better.
Yeah, and all this time they were talking about "true F2P". **** that. If I have to pay for voice chat, I'm uninstalling Dust.
Veigar, what is 'true free to play'? What does that mean to you?
does it mean that you can do everything, have everything in game without ever dropping a single Aurum?
Done
I will be going into the UVT business. I have a few extra dollars lying around since I don't pay 14.99 for this or that sub
I will purchase UVTs and resell the to you for isk. That way, I can afford to drive a tank or drop ship in the evenings after work And you can grind isk all day to buy my UVTs so you can sit in a private channel and ***** about p2w or hit detection or the newest e-peen enhancement drug
Win-win |
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:20:00 -
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Abner Kalen wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Forget what you think you know or have experienced with other games.
That is a box you're living in--get out of it. Try something new. The Aurum will be refunded and you don't have to use it for additional comms channels again.
I love that they are willing to try something new in the micro transaction market. Increased comms bandwidth: brilliant! It seems a little incredulous that they'd expect people to pay for something that should already be included as a part of the game. People are concerned now in the beta because once this game goes live and the price hasn't been significantly reduced or even eliminated, people will not think well on a game that tries to charge people for comms, even if it is for "expanded" comms. It just gives off a bad vibe.
Abner, I hear you. And I agree that when CCP has tried this idea out with a test community that will give it a chance they may decide to adjust how UVTs work or what value we get out of them
I want to encourage all of us to not fall into the 'should already be included as a part of the game' paradigm.
I feel that a lot of the nay-sayers hear about something they are unfamiliar with or haven't tested and judgement is passed immediately
Folks, look at my past posts. Sometimes I am in ccp's camp on issues and sometimes I am not
I am not blindly jumping on whatever bandwagon rolls through town.
I just believe that the micro transaction business model for massive online games has not been fully matured. There is a whole world of value out there to be tested and explored with regard to what a game can offer
I hate the closed minded approach to every new thing
Aurum will be refunded at launch. Try stuff out. If you hate it- say so- but give honest and objective feedback as to why
Help CCP make this something bigger and better than anything else you have thought of
It is not easy to do that if every new idea or product gets rage-flamed by the test crowd the minute it's rolled out
Thank you for considering my opinions |
howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:29:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:howard sanchez wrote:pyramid
Good for you: stay with what you know and love Mag,cod,bf whatever. I won't judge you for not trying something new. Don't you try to squelch every attempt at innovation that doesn't look just like what you are familiar with I don't need any MORE companies overcharging me for talking to people who are far away.
Dude, what do you mean 'talking to people who are far away'? Every single company has done this since, when- money was invented?
The East India company, pony express, AT&T,apple. You are always charged to communicate over a distance.
When has this not been the case? And I won't over charge you! I will offer UVTs at low low competitive Isk rates
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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:45:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Aaron Atreides wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Pay nearly -ú4.00 a month just to talk to people on a game............ Are you fuk1n kidding CCPiss takers.... good luck with getting all your clan members to do that ****..... Again you assume to know what the VT does, but really we dont yet. So just stop acting like its the end of the world already. I'm NOT assuming sh!!t .................. we've used , tried. experimented...... what I said is CORRECT.
Wait wait- what? You have tested these UVT products in game? And you hate them? But are unwilling to say why? Or how you tested them?
Fair enough, icecreamkingwarrior person. Thank you for the feedback
You will understand that given the scope of data regarding your recent testing and findings the rest of us (speaking strictly for myself) will withhold judgment pending further review |
howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:07:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Aaron Atreides wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Aaron Atreides wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:This whole thread makes my brain hurt. It's not pay to talk. There have been several people who have said that they are still able to chat like they used to. And really, how many times have you said to yourself, "You know what I need, I need to talk to someone on a different planet, RIGHT NOW."
Everyone needs to cool their ****, this seems like a tool that will be needed by high ranking corp members and those who are cross communicating with EVE players. Ice cream princess or what ever the F@@@ your name is, see this post? No you didn't that and using it on the PS Vita are probably what they are used for. Again you assumed to know everything, but really you no nothing.. If I am a spy in the middle of a battle and don't want to chat with the corp I am spying on, then I use VT to talk to my real team to attack or bomb the planet I am on. So you are refuting his assumption with someone elses assumption? Classy. Yup I sure am, because this makes sense, while charging for Voice chat is not realistic. They have already stated corps will have chat channels, groups will have chat channels, so what does VT do but allow you to talk to players not in those groups. What it does is unnecessarily charge players for something that should be free, and force them to use third party software to play the game.
See, there you go again: 'unnecessarily charge'. Says you! You think that ccp&sony get to host hundreds if not thousands of separate live voice conversations for free!?
So- it's ok if they charge everyone $15/month whether you use a lot of voice comms or not. But it's wrong for them to charge a much smaller amount for just those that want to use comms when they want to use them
You kids need to stay in school. Math & economics. Try it! |
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:13:00 -
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Chihiro,
Good post! I concur with your conclusion, position and argument.
People need to look closer at this new option before they throw everything out with the bath water |
howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:33:00 -
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CCP;
I urge you to continue listening to your customer community, your WHOLE customer community.
Many of us feel the offering of UVTs ( and their specific functionality) is a good business and gaming decision.
Many of us feel that what you are offering is, in fact, the option for players to communicate in ways that most other, even remotely similar,games do not offer. That is exactly the kind of additional elective choice that fits very well within the micro-transaction business model
You know better than most of us what your target and potential market looks like. You know the likely percentage of players that will, very casually, use DUST as the free, fun,15-30 minutes of FPS gameplay that it will be.
A great many of those customers will never opt to use the extended voice capabilities that the UVT provides.
Thank you for offering us the choice. Thank you for not charging everyone for things they would otherwise not use.
Please continue to monitor the data as well as listen to all community feedback (not just the verbose minority that most game forums represent).
And please consider making all items that players can purchase for Aurum reselable for isk in the player market.
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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:40:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Chaz Lewis wrote:
[*pyramid*]
No, I just don't think it's a game-breaking issue, that's all.
Thats because the real game hasnt started yet.
Excellent point, Umallon. And as one of the most vocal opponents of UVTs as proposed by CCP you could consider taking your own advice and waiting till the game has started before decrying this whole thing as a failure. |
howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:59:00 -
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MrZIONY wrote:The scale of the game on release will make UVT's practically compulsory on full release if you want to be part of a decent corp/alliance.
MrZ, that assumption may be born out as fact. In fact, I hope it is. I also hope that CCP goes forward with the UVT plan as stated while adjusting price and function based on a combination of full customer base feedback and hard data to accomplish two things:
Provide a choice to players that enhances gameplay options and
Provide a valuable revenue stream for CCP to continue to develop DUST and EVE into a transformational, industry changing entertainment experience
Because Free to Play does not mean Free to Develop
The cost for unlimited voice communications across two AAA games on multiple platforms should not be free.
If F2P meant what a lot of the anti-UVT crowd seem to think then CCP would buy them a television , PS3, lunch and rent as well as developing DUST and giving them every single aspect of gameplay with no option for players to support CCP in further development
Do some of you feel that last statement is excessive hyperbole? You are right and that is exactly how your arguments against micro transactions as a fair business model come across: unreasonable excessive hyperbole |
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:08:00 -
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MrZIONY wrote:A great many customers just wont play and go to planetside 2.
Edit And reading this whole thread we are not the minority, your view is inm afraid.
You assume that the loudest and most repetitive voices are the majority. I contend that You are not the majority. In fact, without real data regarding how many players are registered and participating in closed beta neither of us really know who is in the majority
I respect your freedom to continue to voice your concerns about what you believe is a game breaking feature. Thank you for returning the same. Perhaps none of us represent the majority. It's ccp's company and game. They have the data. I hope they use it to make the best business decision for DUST |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 12:31:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Dear players, We are quite impressed and inspired by your feedbacks and comments regarding the UVT introduction. Therefore, we have made some changes and a more detailed description on what the UVT is and offers. We hope that this will address many of your concerns and illustrate its value to players. We look forward to hearing your feedback as you test the UVT during beta and together we can improve its implementation. Fostering smooth and easy communication for our players is hugely important for CCP and a key element of DUST 514. Long-time EVE Online players know that we think a thriving community is imperative to a gameGÇÖs success. WeGÇÖd like to clarify how the chat and voice function will work within DUST 514 and between DUST 514 and EVE Online. WeGÇÖre offering a very robust suite of options for free.
- Voice chat in DUST 514 for teams in a battle is free.
- Voice chat in DUST 514 pre-made squads, both in and out of battle, is free.
- All text chat, including text chat between DUST 514 and EVE Online, is free.
- All mail, including mail between DUST 514 and EVE Online, is free
The following activities will require the purchase of a Universal Voice Transmitter (UVT) using Aurum (AUR), the currency purchased with real world money in DUST 514.
- Voice chat in a custom channel in DUST 514 (which can include both DUST 514 and EVE Online players)
- Voice chat in a Corp channel (which can include both DUST 514 and EVE Online players) when Corps are implemented in DUST 514
We have not finalized pricing for the UVT GÇô it is likely that the prices youGÇÖve seen will be reduced by the time the game exits closed beta. We are also looking into offering the ability for Corps to buy UVT items that cover the entire group. In addition, in order to test the voice chat feature, we are going to reduce the cost of the UVT to 1 AUR for the duration of the closed beta. Lastly, weGÇÖll soon be adding a player-driven market to DUST 514 that will allow players to buy and sell all manner of items for ISK (the currency you earn in game), including UVTs. FAQ:Q: Why do DUST players have to pay for voice chat and EVE players do not?A: In EVE Online, we can cover the ongoing costs of voice chat through the gameGÇÖs subscription fee. Because DUST is free-to-play, we will need players to cover some of the costs of voice chat. Q: How do you enable voice chat across DUST 514 and EVE Online?A: You can purchase a Universal Voice Transmitter in DUST 514 using Aurum Q: How much does a UVT cost?A: We have not finalized pricing for the UVT. The pricing in the closed beta test is preliminary and we would love to get feedback from players via the beta testing forums. Q: Will the price of a UVT stay at 1 AUR after closed beta ends?A: No, this is a temporary price to encourage players to test the feature. Final pricing for UVTs has not been determined. Q: Will EVE players have to pay to voice chat with DUST players?A: No, we have no plans at this time to charge extra for EVE players to cross-game voice chat Q: When will the player market be added to DUST 514?A: This is something the development team is working on. We are definitely planning to implement it. Q: ArenGÇÖt UVTs a pay-to-win feature since they make communication easier and are only available for purchase with AUR?A: We understand this concern and plan to address it before the game ships via the in-game player market, which will allow players to buy and sell UVTs with ISK, the currency awarded in game.
CCP thank you for this very informative post.
I do hope the DUSTtest community can withhold any short fused emotionally driven response (hey-I can hope!) and give UVTs a good test before passing judgment on their value
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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2012.08.22 02:13:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The other solution.
Seperate downloadable eve voice client with competitive costs and the security of new eden API systems. Imagine a communications client that combines all the features of EVE Mail, EVE Voice, Contacts Lists, Chat Channels. Lets call it Fluid. You plug in the details for each of your accounts and it gives you complete access to any means of communication your characters have access to, including things like Local Chat for the system you are in, even without your EVE or DUST client running. It gives you controls to facilitate things like transferring contacts between accounts. You can use it to talk via text or voice with players on EVE, DUST, EVE Gate, DUST Gate, or the Fluid client. Non-EVE accounts would have access to most features, but could subscribe to the rest for 100 Aurum a month, or they could be sponsored by their corporation. They would also get free months of Fluid sub every time they make an Aurum purchase. 1 free month with 400 Aurum 2 free months with 1100 Aurum 5 free months with 2500 Aurum 10 free months with 5000 Aurum For EVE players it would be included in their subscription. The Fluid client could be released for PC, PS3, iOS and Android. Imagine if you could join a briefing of DUST mercs by a corp CEO in EVE, using the Fluid client on your iphone.
Finally, Umallon and I agree on something! You may all rejoice. Cool idea,Sir. ++1 |
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