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J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:22:00 - [241] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: You honestly don't get it so you? EVERY OTHER GAME WITH TEAMWORK AND BETWEEN GAME PARTIES DOES THAT. Play MAG. They don't cost you to talk in anclan lonby all day long if you want. Same with any other teamsork/objective based game or mmo Also you did afine job of dodging that, when he talks of pushing the car due to lack of engine you talk about buying gas... Clever. But meaningless and amorphous. Cannot be tied down to anything solid but allows a clever job of shadowing the fact that its a standard for all other games, and its not innovative t all, its money grubbing and stupid. MAG is only free if you stole it from the shop. Try again. They asked for the price of the game upfront. I never had to pay another dime. If I am going to be paying them, I would rather pay a defined amount and drop this whole free 2 play crap
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:23:00 - [242] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. I am good with this but I do think the price needs to be cut in half and/or carry over for all three of your characters. Furthermore, I am good with the 4 man squad. It is enough so I can play with some friendly faces but not too large where I and my random team will get crushed by a group of 12 guys grouped up together every time. It is still a beta and I for one vote too keep the squads limited until the full release of the game where it will be encouraged to group up and corp up and thus I believe the grouping mechanism will be quite a bit larger. Another side note, no one paid for the beta and CCP has no obligation to you. Even if you paid for the merc pack, you A) paid for it voluntarily and B) it included a lot of items for people in the beta and if you happened to not be in the beta, than you got the items and access to the beta. If you bought the merc pack, you paid money to test a product/service...not receive a product/service. If you can not handle the fact that this is a beta and you are testing out functions of the game than I suggest you spend your time elsewhere.
Chaz Lewis 71	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:37:00 - [243] - Quote You guys know if you select activate voice on the corp channel you can everyone talking, right? I'm sure it will stay that way when we get player corps. If we don't, then use teamspeak or something.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:41:00 - [244] - Quote It sucks and thats all there is too it. All the nerd fanboys slithering around tryig to say "well its optional" STFU One even said "Hey they are just making the easiest and most accessible form of corp communication optional" Hey dimwit, thats the dumbest defense I ever heard! Truth is, there are only a few good options here. 1. Get rid of UVTs entirely 2. Make squad sizes 6, and enable full teams ro group up and deploy (my favorite, STFU carebears who say it would be OP, go find some friends) 3. Make UVTs waaaaaaayyyyyy less money 4. Make UVTs only to use as large corp broadcasts or alliance meetings with more than multiple platoons of players.
Iso Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge 56	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:41:00 - [245] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. Question: why are you charging us for a service that doesn't cost you any money whatsoever for bandwidth? It's covered by Sony, so why the microtransaction for a feature that is free in other online games? Second, I don't know if you were on the EVE team when the Eve Voice stuff hit the fan, but the same thing wound up happening, and now it's free there, but ONLY after a big row about it that didn't make CCP look too good. Perhaps given the feedback/noise in this thread so far, it should be an issue that's reconsidered. I promise you that a lot of people will get to the point where they realize paragraph #1 is true, and they're going to quit in droves. That, or just migrate to a 3rd party tool. What'll wind up happening either way is that noone will use the UVT's, and it will only further add onto CCP's rep as a company trying to nickel and dime their customers. Worst case scenario you'll lose Dust players, which will wind up effecting Eve as well. I really don't care to see Eve OR CCP tank, but it's something you guys are flirting with by doing this.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:50:00 - [246] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: It sucks and thats all there is too it. All the nerd fanboys slithering around tryig to say "well its optional" STFU One even said "Hey they are just making the easiest and most accessible form of corp communication optional" Hey dimwit, thats the dumbest defense I ever heard! Truth is, there are only a few good options here. 1. Get rid of UVTs entirely 2. Make squad sizes 6, and enable full teams ro group up and deploy (my favorite, STFU carebears who say it would be OP, go find some friends) 3. Make UVTs waaaaaaayyyyyy less money 4. Make UVTs only to use as large corp broadcasts or alliance meetings with more than multiple platoons of players. 2. It is a beta, i would support this in the full release of the game 3. Agreed 4. Agree as well (Side note, your post would be more meaning full without using words/phrases like STFU or hey dimwit...just an FYI)
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:57:00 - [247] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: It sucks and thats all there is too it. All the nerd fanboys slithering around tryig to say "well its optional" STFU One even said "Hey they are just making the easiest and most accessible form of corp communication optional" Hey dimwit, thats the dumbest defense I ever heard! Truth is, there are only a few good options here. 1. Get rid of UVTs entirely 2. Make squad sizes 6, and enable full teams ro group up and deploy (my favorite, STFU carebears who say it would be OP, go find some friends) 3. Make UVTs waaaaaaayyyyyy less money 4. Make UVTs only to use as large corp broadcasts or alliance meetings with more than multiple platoons of players. 2. It is a beta, i would support this in the full release of the game 3. Agreed 4. Agree as well (Side note, you post would be more meaning full with using words/phrases like STFU or hey dimwit...just an FYI) At this point in the thread he only way to get your point across to pound it into peoples thick skulls
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.15 16:16:00 - [248] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. Is it likely to change to 0 Aurum? Do you really think that corporations and alliances are really going to tell everyone in them to buy these ridiculous items so they can talk rather than using 3rd party software? Do you really think that by bottle-necking communications you are doing whats best for the shared universe?
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.15 16:40:00 - [249] - Quote You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say on the one hand that you provide a sandbox for amazing things to happen through player interaction, but on the other hand charge REAL MONEY for vital communication links. The example from the trailer, the EVE pilot talking to guys on the ground? Pretend it didn't happen. The EVE pilot and the DUST merc were actually talking 'telepathically' via teamspeak. UVT, as far as I'm concerned, is the first nail in the coffin of this experiment. CCP aren't dedicated to making this universe an amazing experience for all involved. They are too blind to see how this initiative stabs at the very heart of the experience they are so proud to boast of. Subscriptions, Aurum, NEX, PLEX, sidegrades, boosters, this is how we subsidize our involvement in this universe. UVTs go against EVERYTHING DUST stands for in its bid to make a mark on the gaming industry by combining 2 different titles into one immersive universe.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.15 17:01:00 - [250] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. But those PRICES! Have CCP not learned the lesson from the MonocleGate screw up? Strike AT LEAST a zero off the ends of those prices, 900 AUR a month is just INSANE. At this rate, with all the AUR sinks I'm more or less forced into buying in order to be competitive in any way or form (aka PAY 2 WIN), I'm looking at having to kill two of my EVE accounts just to afford ONE Dust account! On one hand yes, those should be 900 for a 3 month pass. But what would you want it for anyways? I'm trying to see the need to voice chat in corp. We have a teamspeak server allready.

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.15 17:09:00 - [251] - Quote people can still get in groups of 2 - 12/16/24 once the game is released and talk for free (just like in a lot of other FPS). It is my understanding that UVT is for a much larger communication tool >50 >100 >250 (who are in a variety of different places both in and out of game) as well as a way to communicate with EVE players directly.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.08.15 17:16:00 - [252] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. This is the official Dev post regarding this issue. Now the way I see it there are four camps. 1. By far the most fervent of the four camps, the people of Pay 2 Talk believe well, paying to talk is rational. 2. Ruled by a conglomerate of mega-fanboys, this camp's is filled with people who defend CCP and their occasionally ludicrous policies. Their generally response is "You don't have to pay for it if you don't want to." These responses have brought their people more followers, or made them be ignored. But mostly ignored. 3. Champions of free-dom and not paying for anything, the Freedom 2 Talk the only true opinion of The Forums. They believe that Free 2 Play means Free 2 Talk. This camp generally uses bots to get their point across, but not as mush as they used to, for robotics can get you oh so far... 4. Resembles a Feral Tribe more than anything, the Trolls feed on the misery and stress of The Forums. This camp is a master of camouflage, so they disguise their posts as meaningful works of art, or pure spam. The most secretive of the camps, the Dev's rarely ever tell us what is going on in plain English. They usually just dance around using fancy wordplay. Or just not telling us. Few outsiders have seen their homeland... Seriously though. Remember the monocle scandal? When you tried to get EVE players to pay for online? Did it work? Were people happy with you? Oh, and that email. Icing on the cake isn't it CCP? This game is made by the players, for players. So I suggest to you, CCP. Take it out. The UVT. Please just take it out. This will destroy this game.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.15 18:13:00 - [253] - Quote I'm really just disappointed that CCP is so short-sighted.
Boss Dirge Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.08.15 18:36:00 - [254] - Quote So has no one noticed that in this update we got virtually everything we asked for and more? Pretty much every nerf request, or buff request has been applied. Almost every feature that has been bitched about on this forum in the past 2 months has been implemented by the developers. So go ahead and throw your temper tantrums and wail and moan. They listened the last time, and they probably will again. Just don't go on about like little babies if they don't do it on your timetable.
Chris Ridgeway 42	Posted - 2012.08.15 18:39:00 - [255] - Quote WARR1OR OF WARRIORS wrote: [quote=Rasatsu][quote=ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS]@ DEV Frame. Sorry this is an excuse and a weak one at that. Team chat........... Who cares, most of the time I don't want to talk to a load of random morons, or have to figure out how many I have to mute every game. Squad chat........... Wow that huge 4man squad, well I have more than 3 friends and clan mates that I would like to group and play with. Even if we pay for this rip off chat so we can all talk we can't get in the same game let alone be on the same team. I think instead of having an in house joke with MAG uniforms you have more important game breaking problems to worry about. Truth... How is a four man squad supposed to accomplish anything. ? So what I got from this is your friends are a load of random morons? Cause if they are on your team in game, and not in your squad you can still talk to them during the match...hence team chat, but since it seems you and your friends are morons you can't make the ******* connection from squad to team..I gotcha.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:00:00 - [256] - Quote Boss Dirge wrote: So has no one noticed that in this update we got virtually everything we asked for and more? Pretty much every nerf request, or buff request has been applied. Almost every feature that has been bitched about on this forum in the past 2 months has been implemented by the developers. So go ahead and throw your temper tantrums and wail and moan. They listened the last time, and they probably will again. Just don't go on about like little babies if they don't do it on your timetable. Oh. I forgot its ok for companies to make pants-on-head ******** decisions that shoot themselves in the foot whilst hurting their customers if they DO THEIR JOBS? Their implementation of the game is not a PRESENT. They are not GIVING us patches out of GOODNESS AND GENEROSITY. They are doing it to get more players and, therefore, more money. We are complaining because UVTs do more to fracture and damage the game and the user base than they return in profit. In other words, UVTs may make a little money up front, but will damage the user experience and user numbers in the long run, and will actively interfere in the joint EVE/DUST experience, which is the WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME.
Marwan2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:00:00 - [257] - Quote Teamspeak!
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:09:00 - [258] - Quote can i just say something? if so do CCP do cola because if they do i would order one....
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:33:00 - [259] - Quote 4447 wrote: can i just say something? if so do CCP do cola because if they do i would order one.... There's Quafe, but I don't think you can buy these days.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:35:00 - [260] - Quote alright, well, my main draw for playing DUST was to chat with friends AND play a game. i don't see why you would want to charge for something every other console game gives for free. I understand your desire for funds, but this is not where to get them. I mean, who is going to only want voice chat for a day? or 30 days for that matter? this is just a cheap, sleazy way to charge a (albeit small) monthly fee, and that is rather silly. Honestly, I think I'll pass. not really worth the money. ever since WoW I have a thing against monthly fees. The only reason I played EVE for as long as I did was because I didn't have to pay for it every month. Certainly one could argue "you don't HAVE to pay to play", but I would argue, with as many friends as I have, why WOULDN'T you want to talk to them? besides, I suppose I could just use Teamspeak, and not play DUST. Either way, I didn't support Microsoft because they come off as greedy, charging for online play and voice chat. I refuse to support a company that sees greed as necessary for profit. if you want to charge a monthly fee, charge a monthly fee, don't make the "game" free, then microtransaction the hell out of us. Seriously though, if you just make universal voice comms free, and charged more for other things, I would be fine with that. Voice comms, particularly alliance/corp UVC need to be free IMO.

Abner Kalen Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 100	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:39:00 - [261] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. Doesn't the PS3 already offer a party-line voice chat channel?? Why wouldn't we use that instead, or set up a TS3 or C3 that's not dependent on the character you're playing as? I can understand the thought process behind something like this but it's extremely short-sighted, and doesn't quite seem thought out. Making us pay for outside corp or eve to dust links is one thing, but making us pay for corporation and alliance channel voice chat? Also requiring us to pay per character, not per account, it's not a very intelligent decision in my opinion, and one that I think would do more harm than good.
Chao Wolf Imperfects Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.08.15 19:42:00 - [262] - Quote My 0.02 isk I'm fine with charging us for voice in custom comms but corp and alliance voice comms should be free
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:00:00 - [263] - Quote Chao Wolf wrote: My 0.02 isk I'm fine with charging us for voice in custom comms but corp and alliance voice comms should be free Agreed. Members of a Dust corporation should be able to communicate with each other without additional expenditure.
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:10:00 - [264] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. I know EVE players already pay a monthly fee, but does this mean that they'll also have to get UVTs or do they already have them?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:18:00 - [265] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. I know EVE players already pay a monthly fee, but does this mean that they'll also have to get UVTs or do they already have them? Voice chat in any channel, including player-made ones, is part of what we pay a subscription for.
Arc Brimstone Stella Pulvis 4	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:26:00 - [266] - Quote Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't really care about this. It's a free game... We don't have to pay for the game up front, there's no monthly subscription. CCP has to make money somehow to support the game. If you don't want to shell out the less than $5 a month for voice support use skype or teamspeak or something. It's really not that big of a deal.... lol
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:31:00 - [267] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. I know EVE players already pay a monthly fee, but does this mean that they'll also have to get UVTs or do they already have them? Voice chat in any channel, including player-made ones, is part of what we pay a subscription for. Ok, I was wondering if that included eve/dust channels or if you'd need a seperate module for that but I'm assuming that's not the case.
Quiverous Dark Harlequin 37	Posted - 2012.08.15 21:09:00 - [268] - Quote I want a beer for reading this threadnaught, next time I'm in Reykjavik I'm collecting, 1 Polar beer and it better be cold. I was unimpressed with the idea but thought it made some commercial sense. But there are a lot of sound counter arguments to this introduction, I reckon a u-turn now will save some embarressment later. In case there is any doubt, I am a CCP fanboi, except I'm a girl.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2012.08.15 21:23:00 - [269] - Quote yeah, they need to really do a quick "woops" on this, instead of just letting it fly. c'mon CCP. I know you guys like your reputation for listening to your patrons, well.. your patrons are speaking. are you going to ignore us and go with greed? if so, then you're not the company I thought you were.
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.08.15 21:49:00 - [270] - Quote press < to talk? anyone realize that? at all? that's for in battle. now for out of battle is different i guess makes me sad for that decision outside of battle :\|



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