In all fairness, we are discussing completely eliminating the restocking of all grenades by nanohives, this is the moderated proposal. (We would keep them for supply depots)

In all fairness, we are discussing completely eliminating the restocking of all grenades by nanohives, this is the moderated proposal. (We would keep them for supply depots)

Dear players,

we are back with most of the numbers that can be discussed. A few things are under technical evaluation but these are the stats we are proposing for Hotfix Alpha.

Here are the numbers Hotfix Alpha Numbers

Due to popular demand and community reasoning, we are making a few strategic changes.

1) We are not reducing Minmatar Commando speed at this time, it stays the same.
XXX 2) We are probably going to move the Gallente Scout repair rate over to the Amarr Scout. The "probably" is now "not"
3) We are going to change cloak dampening to be slightly above zero for Advanced and Prototype, albeit at lower rates

So, please review the list and give us feedback in this thread.

These concerns deserve special mention, as they were mentioned a lot.

• Scouts and EWAR - the intention was never to "fix" the EWAR meta with Hotfix Alpha. Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible.
• Swarms as AV - We don't want to change too many things at the same time. Improving swarms to counter tanks, will affect dropships as well.
• Changing swarms from Explosive to Hybrid is not a direction we want to take, even if it would give Calmandos an AV edge. We are more looking at granting some sort of AV bonuses to all Commandos.

Again, thanks for the constructive and positive feedback,
CCP Rattati

On Rifle Changes
Look's good. Small adjustments are the way to go. Can always finetune later if and as needed.

On Cloak Changes (Dampening Bonus)

On Scout Changes
I proposed and support GalScout's passive armor rep being transferred to Amarr Scout. The Scout Community expected Amarr to be the go-to brick-tank option; armor would be its niche. No one expected Gallente to receive passive armor rep; that came as unneeded surprise. King GalScout does not need this perk to compete, and this perk would directly support the niche we had prescribed to the under-performing Amarr Scout. Don't give two squirts about lore; only concerned with balance and feasibility.

The cloak field duration is okay where it is right now. Maybe the delay in switching to weapon and decloaking should be looked at but even that isn't a major problem.

Armor reppers did indeed get a nice buff.

Proto repper: 7.5 hp/s

With skills applied this will be 7.5 * 1.25 = 9.375 hp/s (Correct me if I am wrong?)

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Duvolle Assault Rifle dmg on a commando with 1 enh dmg mod (before patch): 37,752 dmg/shot, 471,9 dmg/s.


Duvolle Assault Rifle dmg on a commando with 1 enh dmg mod (after patch): 38,50704 dmg/shot, 481,338 dmg/s.


Basically, my proto gallente commando will have 19.75 hp/s, sprint at 6.64 m/s and also get a dmg buff on AR? Nice!

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Also, repping gallente sentinels will VERY viable with these changes, armor repair with 4 reppers:
4*9.375 + 1 = 38.5 hp/s
Effective rep vs rail: 38.5 / 0.85 = 45.3 hp/s
Effective rep vs projectiles: 38.5 / 0.9 = 42.78 hp/s

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Gallente assaults with 2 complex shield extenders, 3 complex reppers and a complex ferroscale plate will be very scary. ~~600 hp, 30 hp/s (that reps through combat, without any speed penalty whatsoever).

I agree, the major problem, is that people do not pay attention to their surroundings. You can see a cloaked scout from a quarter mile away if you're in the open. But if you go into a "maze', yea the scout should be able to skull **** you before you know whats going on. CQC masters ftw.

will the time to refill cloaks back to 100% be the same, or do they keep the same rate as before?

If it took 10s to fill a 60s cloak, will it be 10s for a 30s, or 5s for 30s?

the only problems with scouts is the bunny hoping and poor hit detection...... you should not be able to jump around in front of a heavy spraying an HMG and live

On Rifle Changes
Look's good. Small adjustments are the way to go. Can always finetune later if and as needed.

On Cloak Changes (Dampening Bonus)
Will be happy to see GalScouts in fewer Plates and hopeful to see "slayers" looking elsewhere for the best frontal assault suit. To be clear, this was a direct nerf to every Scout on account of "slayers" brick-tanking the GalScout. As result, Min and Cal will now be too easily hunted. The CalScout nerf will be mitigated to a degree as it will become a better hunter; it will remain PC-viable only because of shared squad sight. The already under-performing MinScout will be further marginalized by this nerf; its users are rightfully concerned. This one change will likely succeed in shifting FoTM, though the shift will be made on the backs of the Minmatar.

On Cloak Changes (Duration)
More tactical, less always-on. This nerf will make running cloak more interesting and will give folks a reason to skill into proto.

On Scout Changes
I proposed and support GalScout's passive armor rep being transferred to Amarr Scout. The Scout Community expected Amarr to be the go-to brick-tank option; armor would be its niche. No one expected Gallente to receive passive armor rep; that came as unneeded surprise. King GalScout does not need this perk to compete, and this perk would bolster the niche prescribed to the under-performing Amarr Scout. Lore is a non-factor; balance and feasibility are primary. That said, postponing Scout Changes was probably a good idea; I strongly recommend improving Assault Frames before making major adjustments to other Frames.

On AV / Vehicle Changes
The PLC poses no real threat to dropships and minimal threat to Tanks; improvements to swarms would've been a more appropriate response to Vehicle vs Infantry imbalance. AV Grenades, on the other hand, will likely reduce odds of successful HAV steamrolling. Very much looking forward to dusting off my Lai Dais.

On Armor Changes
Failed to locate new movement penalties. Otherwise, looks pretty good. I do agree with Arkena, however, that the cost/benefit of Enhanced has always outweighed Complex, which appears unchanged in the proposed figures.

... we are discussing completely eliminating the restocking of all grenades by nanohives ...

Dear CCP Rattati

I very much appreciate you sharing this information with the Dust 514 community through the forums, and thank you for posting these numbers on the Googledocument. Speaking of the Google document, the entry on the third to last reads "Adding Amarr Dropsuit Slots", yet does not say what type of Amarr dropsuit the slot changes are considered for; do you mean the Amarr light and scout? Amarr medium and assault? Amarr logistics? or perhaps the Amarr heavy and sentinel? Please, specify which Amarr dropsuit you are talking about. It is important for us to know what dropsuit you are referring for us to be able to give feedback on that specific item from the Hotfix Alpha Google document. I have inquired about this particular subject twice already in this thread, but you did not reply despite the fact that you have been reading and commenting on this thread; I will assume you are not ignoring my comments as some intentional insult to me, but instead you just missed my comments. I look forward to your reply.

Thank you for reading, sincerely KAGEHOSHI.

Yes, I was a bit vague, because I haven't had time to look into it properly. I didn't even know until now that the Amarr Assault dropsuit has fewer slots than its counterparts. In the not so distant future, you can consider slots getting equalized across all comparable racial tiers. That is, when we slot those changes into the hotfix pipeline, and I can't promise that it will be in Hotfix Alpha.

grenade damage nerf ? why not change the radius? 350 is not even going to kill a scout . I can't barley fit a grenade on my proto assault now and now i have to fit an expensive proto grenade for it to be usefull. a step backwards for assault ccp

oh and dont forget you gave us less grenades to use and dont want us to be able to resupply with nanohive either

(1) While the amar does need a better role for itself. Taking the self rep from the gal scout is not the way to go, considering that all the racial gallante suits get the self repping hp bonus for their armor.

(2) This is how it should be, considering that's their life line hp. After all, would you give the shield recharge rate of 50p/s to the amar, and take it away from the caldari?

(3) The amar would be much better suited with taking away the movement penalty of armor plates, than this fore mentioned route. Maybe not taking away the full movement penalty, but at least half of it. (so we don't have people stacking complex plates on it)

3) We are going to change cloak dampening to be slightly above zero for Advanced and Prototype, albeit at lower rates

So, please review the list and give us feedback in this thread.

These concerns deserve special mention, as they were mentioned a lot.
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Scouts and EWAR - the intention was never to "fix" the EWAR meta with Hotfix Alpha. Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible.

Can we make assault swarms have longer range with less dmg?

And bump up the normal swarm dmg but leave the range as is.

Assault swarms are on the top of my list of "useless" variants to fix

What about the Plasma Rifles variants >:

Fixed or Dodo, I am leaning towards the second

You've just removed Minmatar Scouts from being a viable PC option. You just pushed for more Gallente Scout.
Good game, Rattati, it seems you didn't want to listed to players after all.