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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
3) We are going to change cloak dampening to be slightly above zero for Advanced and Prototype, albeit at lower rates
So, please review the list and give us feedback in this thread.
These concerns deserve special mention, as they were mentioned a lot.
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Scouts and EWAR - the intention was never to "fix" the EWAR meta with Hotfix Alpha. Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible.
You've just removed Minmatar Scouts from being a viable PC option. You just pushed for more Gallente Scout.
Good game, Rattati, it seems you didn't want to listed to players after all.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
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AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:11:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Spartan MK420 wrote:Meh, not wasting anymore of my time here.
This game is just becoming worse, and worse, with no light at the end of the tunnel for any role.
You balance 1 mechanic, by breaking 3. Not very productive. But good job security I suppose.
Seriously. I make multiple posts showing how terrible these cloak changes are for all but the Gallente scout and I don't even get a word in response? It's like nobody ran scout prior to 1.8. It's like nobody remembers how terrible it is to get scanned constantly. The tacnet system is the most OP mechanic in this game and you're making the stealth class in this game not stealthy at all. Do you guys even acknowledge the fact that the tacnet is ridiculously OP? Why even have a scout class if it can be countered by 1 person? I legitimately want a respec if these changes go through and I hope i can get one because I will no longer be able to fulfill my role on the battlefield in my Minmatar scout. Even now it's hard to be a minmatar scout. It's clear they're balancing everything around casual and pub play and aren't going to address the problems when people are coordinated and have half a brain to make the correct fit to counter 3/4 scouts.
Exactly. I've been pushing for more people to play Minmatar Scout because they can dedicate a way to get under scans. That's completely gone now.
I just had this conversation with Ghost Kaiser, to salvage the suit to be useful when you know you're going to get scanned relegates you to hit and run or flanking. . . which the Minmatar Assault will do better.
I've got 3 proto scout suits and one at level 1. These changes are going to force me into only use the Gallente Scout. Congrats you've changed the meta from 608 HP Gal Scouts to 459 HP Gal Scouts. Removed Amarr and Minmatar Scouts from play.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:14:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
It's like nobody ran scout prior to 1.8. It's like nobody remembers how terrible it is to get scanned constantly. The tacnet system is the most OP mechanic in this game and you're making the stealth class in this game not stealthy at all. Do you guys even acknowledge the fact that the tacnet is ridiculously OP? Why even have a scout class if it can be countered by 1 person?
Just to hone in on this point, I think Zatara Rought made the best case example of why non-scouts (people that never ran scout before 1.8 buff was confirmed) get pissy if they don't have their unbeatable scanners.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:19:00 -
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His counter argument was that a few times he saw DISGRUNTLEDev use 4 complex profile dampeners.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2556
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:26:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote: Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible.
Expect drastic reduction in number of cloak users. You were easily seen when moving, we all knew this, it was a tool for camping. Since it was pointed out that the cloak gave a reduction to profile I was telling people that, "the invisibility didn't have one percent of the reason it's going to be used, it's going to be used as an active-dampener."
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2556
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:37:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
Correct the cloak, against skilled players, is only good for it's "wave of opportunities" of tacnet stealth because you are by no means invisible nor even close to being invisible. Why no one understands this I have no idea.
Because we started with team shared line-of-sight, moved to squad shared passive scanning (which was useless) and Active Scanners, to abandoning Active Scanners (because duration is too low) and buffing passive scans to an imbalanced place where only Caldari and Gallente Scout matter.
We're progressing to a point where it is more and more likely that people won't show up on the TacNet. This game is targets the player that prefers front-line style fighting. They don't want to deal with flanking, they want to deal with stealth even less.
Too many people are completely reliant on TacNet pointing out where people are and any change from this is met with resistance.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2563
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:26:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Eko Sol wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Please consider tying cloaking device profile dampening to the cloaking device operation skill instead of just practically nixing it altogether otherwise you will just be screwing the meta again in terrible ways - cal scouts will scan everything and gallente scouts will still be invisible to everything.
Cal and min scouts as stated will have 0 answer to gallogi pro focused scans and in most cases won't even be able to fight other cal scout scans.
Make it an investment to get that dampening while cloaked! Excellent idea. Being scanned by scanning specialists is perfectly find and balance. I run double dampener on almost all of my Min Scout fits. Occasionally when I have to act as assault support I only use one. That being said, A few specialized fits used to detect me is perfectly balanced. Stop whining. It's fine. And Cal and Min AND Amarr Scouts will have plenty of answers. If you get scanned, then you stick near the organized group and provide assault type support until the scan is gone and then get to scouting again. You also have to remember that the scans aren't 360 degrees. The merc in position 1000 on the leaderboards has over twice your experience. But being a cherry doesn't make you wrong. Being wrong makes you wrong. Move along. That's cute. You believe you outrank me. I get it. You think that everyone should be unscannable if they are a scout. So sweet. Unfortunately, this isn't candy crush son...it's an adult game where sometimes things aren't your way but are still balanced.
The irony of this guy's need to have perma-scans is palpable
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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