hey rattati, you've done some great job wiht our feedback, do you think we can get a guestimate as to when they are coming out? I am very excited to see some things come into play

it should definitely hurt

I don't necessarily want an HMG to destroy a healthy shielded LAV, but if it's been hit by something, and it's doing a suicidal run for you at half armor, I would like to be able to have a chance at finishing it off with a full HMG clip.

That's what I am going for here.

You finally add the Militia Plate / BPO values, and they're as CPU / PG intensive as Enhanced Plates?!?! No Militia item in the game costs as much as it's advanced tier! Put down the pipe and please re-evaluate this...

What possible reason is there for a 200% increase to the PG requirements?

it should definitely hurt

Because basic plates were OP for a very long time.

I believe the main rule of militia gear is that its stats are the same as standard and the fitting is 50% worse than standard. That is the price of the zero skill level requirement of militia gear, encouraging you to try out gear and then skill into it. If you have been playing with a militia plate for all this time, obviously it was fundamentally broken.

I believe the main rule of militia gear is that its stats are the same as standard and the fitting is 50% worse than standard. That is the price of the zero skill level requirement of militia gear, encouraging you to try out gear and then skill into it. If you have been playing with a militia plate for all this time, obviously it was fundamentally broken.

While we're waxing philosophical on the topic of Militia Plates, I want to stress that it's not like I'm stacking them. I use one, on SOME of my fits (not all), because I can fit it, and the rest of my slots are a mix of biotics, codebreakers, and ferro & reactive (before they become cool with Alpha).

If Militia items are supposed to be 50% higher in fitting cost, shouldn't the CPU stay the same (15) and the PG just get bumped from 2 (current) to 6 (double the Alpha Basic Plate)? Wouldn't that be more in line with how the tiers flow, since you didn't touch Enhanced plates at all?

Why are we discussing militia plates, skilling into basic costs 12k SP and should be the first thing a new player buys.

I believe the main rule of militia gear is that its stats are the same as standard and the fitting is 50% worse than standard. That is the price of the zero skill level requirement of militia gear, encouraging you to try out gear and then skill into it. If you have been playing with a militia plate for all this time, obviously it was fundamentally broken.

We are discussing them because over the course of 1,000 deaths, a new player would have saved almost 1 million ISK. 1 million ISK to a new player is huge. I have enough money to never run Militia, but I choose to run it because it's cheaper, and my Core Skills are maxed so I can fit it as well. Nerfing Militia Plates this hard is only hurting new players. It's not hurting me, I'll just run Basic since I have the money, but it hurts players not wealthy from broken PC mechanics the most.

We are discussing them because over the course of 1,000 deaths, a new player would have saved almost 1 million ISK. 1 million ISK to a new player is huge. I have enough money to never run Militia, but I choose to run it because it's cheaper, and my Core Skills are maxed so I can fit it as well. Nerfing Militia Plates this hard is only hurting new players. It's not hurting me, I'll just run Basic since I have the money, but it hurts players not wealthy from broken PC mechanics the most.

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How much would they save if they used Starter Fits?
Starter fits are FREE. No way to go isk negative.
STD gear is still cheap and hard to go isk negative unless you just really suck.
Risk vs Reward - Forcing people to risk isk to have advantages is part of the game.
I keep my wallet under 1 million at all times. spend all isk as soon as I get it. If I want to save isk I run what is the cheapest which in return is the weakest.

I personally think they should make all militia mods cpu/pg = to the advanced version but make all the stats = to std. std cost in both ISK and SP is so cheap and should always be the goto mod not militia.

What on earth are you buying if you always keep your wallet under 1 mil? An average player can make upwards of 1 million ISK a day from pubs alone...

Actually, some militia gear has worse stats than standard. Sniper rifles and Forge guns come to mind, each having one less shot in the clip than standard.

We are discussing them because over the course of 1,000 deaths, a new player would have saved almost 1 million ISK. 1 million ISK to a new player is huge. I have enough money to never run Militia, but I choose to run it because it's cheaper, and my Core Skills are maxed so I can fit it as well. Nerfing Militia Plates this hard is only hurting new players. It's not hurting me, I'll just run Basic since I have the money, but it hurts players not wealthy from broken PC mechanics the most.

I believe the main rule of militia gear is that its stats are the same as standard and the fitting is 50% worse than standard.

Excuse me, but I am forced to use militia plates and such to make money, it is not a choice of if I want to use it or not. Due to how little isk is received for each match. I can not currently go out and make money in pubs using fully advanced suits like I am easily able to spec into. If you raised the amount of isk made per match, maybe by giving an extra bounty bonus per type of suit killed, then I would be able to afford the gear, but as of current I can not. I would literally start quiting matches against higher end corps rather then trying to fight it through.

It is not the milita gear that is broken, it is the amount of payment given per match that is horribly broken. Such as why am I going to risk an advanced suit that costs 50k if their is massive tank spam and I can and will probably die to it.

would just like to point out every update is focused on armour mods armour reps


CCP ARE U FORGETING ABOUT THE SHEILD TANKERS us mimitar and cadri are being forced to use armour plates and armour repairs to keep up with the gal assults on hp because we gain less hp per mod and it costs us alot more cpu and pg usage to fit them i saw someone comment about they wanted armour reps to be a high slot awful idea everyone forgets about the sheild side of the game dont know if u guys remeber them u rarly see them used these days


to devs out there sheilds need tweaks too not just armour tankers im tired of being forced to put armour plates on my cadri it makes me feel like my suits main role as a sheild tanker is worthless in any case sheild mods should be more then armour plates due to simple facts armour can be reped by repair tool or repairing nanohives where sheilds only repair out of combat making us less of a threat

WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHEILDS BEING PLAYED AROUND WITH LIKE ARMOUR MODS COS THEY NEED IT

would just like to point out every update is focused on armour mods armour reps


CCP ARE U FORGETING ABOUT THE SHEILD TANKERS us mimitar and cadri are being forced to use armour plates and armour repairs to keep up with the gal assults on hp because we gain less hp per mod and it costs us alot more cpu and pg usage to fit them i saw someone comment about they wanted armour reps to be a high slot awful idea everyone forgets about the sheild side of the game dont know if u guys remeber them u rarly see them used these days


to devs out there sheilds need tweaks too not just armour tankers im tired of being forced to put armour plates on my cadri it makes me feel like my suits main role as a sheild tanker is worthless in any case sheild mods should be more then armour plates due to simple facts armour can be reped by repair tool or repairing nanohives where sheilds only repair out of combat making us less of a threat

WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHEILDS BEING PLAYED AROUND WITH LIKE ARMOUR MODS COS THEY NEED IT

would just like to point out every update is focused on armour mods armour reps


CCP ARE U FORGETING ABOUT THE SHEILD TANKERS us mimitar and cadri are being forced to use armour plates and armour repairs to keep up with the gal assults on hp because we gain less hp per mod and it costs us alot more cpu and pg usage to fit them i saw someone comment about they wanted armour reps to be a high slot awful idea everyone forgets about the sheild side of the game dont know if u guys remeber them u rarly see them used these days


to devs out there sheilds need tweaks too not just armour tankers im tired of being forced to put armour plates on my cadri it makes me feel like my suits main role as a sheild tanker is worthless in any case sheild mods should be more then armour plates due to simple facts armour can be reped by repair tool or repairing nanohives where sheilds only repair out of combat making us less of a threat

WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHEILDS BEING PLAYED AROUND WITH LIKE ARMOUR MODS COS THEY NEED IT