So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

Same here. With the 25% bonus and a Mybo, I can hit 265 Melee with a single mod.

Run CR/Flaylock with Melee. I'd be happy

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

If I understand this correctly, this is
Inherently a buff to those surrounding the scout? While I understand the need to make scouts more useful in battle, this would only be useful to other non-scouts. I just sometimes get frustrated when scouts are thrown into the role of "supporting" other frames. Especially when other frames cant always keep up. Scouts are 9 times out of 10 better off running solo than in a group of medium frames. Mostly due to different attack angles and scan profiles.
I feel Ewar in this iteration is better suited to a logistics role as they are more likely to be surrounded by blues.
In terms of usability, Cal scout would need to have some exceptional range for it really useful. It would likely need a scan range bonus skill.

1. Yes it's skills were dropped by accident at the beginning of uprising, as a light frame
2. See "1.".
3. What does that have to do with anything.

This is still a useful bonus to a cal scout. This is essentially a bonus to the cal scout's precision that also happens to be helpful to the rest of the team. I hope it is more than 5% per level though (but I doubt they would be that generous).

Logis should be for buffs, scouts should be for debuffs.

Rather, just bump base scan range to 20 or 25. This helps all scouts and allows the cal to make a decent passive scanner fit.

Edit:
Myos are high slots.

You seem to both be misunderstanding what an INCREASE in someone's Scan Precision means.

Higher Scan Precision means LESS ability to detect targets.

It's a NERF to enemies. It makes enemies near your suit less likely to see you OR anyone else on your team lighting up on their minimap/HUD.

1. I appear to have missed that. The only info I've seen came without a specified frame size, and people assumed it was Light because it had less EHP than the basic Medium Frame.

2. That would be "no" then.

3. It's actually the main point. There's no indication that the Pilot Suit will exist in-game as of 1.8, which is when the cloak and other items are supposed to be showing up. That means there will still, at that time, be a lack of Light Frame variants compared with the other suit types, so it's reasonable to suggest the addition of a secondary suit type at this point. Command suits are meant to be a future development, and it would make the most sense for them to be Medium Frame suits, and I'm sure CCP can come up with another Heavy Frame idea to round everything out by the time the Pilot suit is ready.

I would rather the cloak bonus... BUT this being said, Can you make a equipment that scrambles the ADS so a player can't tell who is blue or red? Should make for some interesting PC battles.

Myos are high slots.

You seem to both be misunderstanding what an INCREASE in someone's Scan Precision means.
Higher Scan Precision means LESS ability to detect targets.
It's a NERF to enemies. It makes enemies near your suit less likely to see you OR anyone else on your team lighting up on their minimap/HUD.

I know exactly what lowering the precision of the enemy means. How is that at all useful to the scout, that already is not at all worried about their profile. Its a buff to nonscouts....which is exactly my point. A buff to a bunch of blues that you are never around anyway.

I know exactly what lowering the precision of the enemy means. How is that at all useful to the scout, that already is not at all worried about their profile. Its a buff to nonscouts....which is exactly my point. A buff to a bunch of blues that you are never around anyway.

When you're fighting Scout vs. Scout, and only one of you can see the other coming, who has the advantage?

I know exactly what lowering the precision of the enemy means. How is that at all useful to the scout, that already is not at all worried about their profile. Its a buff to nonscouts....which is exactly my point. A buff to a bunch of blues that you are never around anyway.

Whoops, your right. For some reason I thought it affected their profile.

Hmm.... that actually isn't very useful. Few people rely on scan precision.

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Unless it affected scanners as well, but even then, that's not a bonus that is helpful to my scout. Would be a much more useful bonus if it increase enemy scan profile as I originally thought it did.

Unless both scouts are stacking precision enhancers, neither scout is going to see each other either anyway.

What are you talking about? Are you that dense? It's a reverse profile dampening bonus that happens to be AoE it's very useful.

What are you talking about? Are you that dense? It's a reverse profile dampening bonus that happens to be AoE it's very useful.

help me decide what the caldari scout racial bonus should be

Two types of specialist Light Frame suit - just like Medium and Heavy suits get. Medium has Assault and Logi, Heavy has Sentinel and Commando, and I propose that we should get Scouts and Infiltrators for Light Frames.

Scouts qould have 1 Equipment slot, slots for Light Weapon and Sidearm, and a bonus reduction to Scan Precision on Active Scanners (the Precision stat on the Scanners would need to be increased so this ends up as a nerf to scanning Logis instead of making Proto Scanners literally unbeatable).

Infiltrator suits with 2 Equipment slots, no Sidearm, and the planned cloak fitting bonus.

ALL Light Frame suits - including the basic frames - should get the reduced shimmer effect while cloaked. This way, an Infiltrator suit will be the ideal cloak platform, but a Scout will still use the cloak better than an Assault or Logi could, and players still training up for the Infiltrator suit would see some benefit from using the suit they're starting to invest in to unlock their intended role.

Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though.

Name: Assassin

If they went for this you should switch the names. An infiltrator only needs cloak and would benefit from two weapons. A scout doesn't need the firepower but the utility of two eq slots. I'd be fine with scouts just having two suit types to choose from, standard and type II.

Although I'm one of the people that would be fine with losing sidearm for eq if we've got to choose only one, but I can see your problems in deciding whether Minnie scouts should be an outlier and keep sidearms or what; maybe a Minmatar scout with two sidearms and two eq while other scouts get one primary and two eq? Minmatar do seem fond of their sidearms, and smg+knives sounds like a better proposal than using your primary for knives, though this probably alienates some other group of min scouts.

The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120.

Definitely. UI feedback is something that's being addressed, but as someone primarily responsible for balance and working with what we have now it comes down to a) do we leave this role *cough* Scout *cough* languishing until we get the features we need b) do we band-aid it with a temporary adjustment that is better but not ultimately what's desired (and have players demanding respecs later ) or c) do we just do nothing until all the supporting features are in place to do it properly?

In an ideal world, C would be the way to go, but game development is almost never ideal.

Damage bonus at 80+m (sniper, rail), minmatar could be damage bonus <8m (nk, shotgun).

Just spitballing here...

Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though.