role bonus should be universal your across all races

Then you're scanned by a proto gal logi and your stealth link meant nothing. You're crossing a field and.......scanned by a proto gal logi. They shoot you once and now you can't flee b/c of the stunlock effect. You sneak up on an unsuspecting victim and fire with a shotgun or slash with a nk, they're still alive thanks to the new health buffs and start to jump around like a monkey on crack. They get out of your 5m optimal b/c follow up shots fail to register and now you have to reload.....and you're dead from back pedal hip fire (an smg could have saved your life).

Scouts lose theirs to get one extra equipment slot that, due to low cpu/pg, is forcing the cloak to take advantage of the terrible bonus they are getting... They get lowest health of all suits, low cpu/pg, low slot count, slightly more speed, slightly better dampening and precision..

Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though)

I'm throwing my hat in this eq slot ring:

2 sidearms and 2 EQ slots (for minja at least).

Would solve a lot of problems.

So what happens to Gallente scouts that use shotguns? I use the breach shotgun, I only get 2 shots a magazine with slow reload even with the skill points invested into rapid reload. If their side arm slot is being taken away wouldn't that limit people that use niche weapons? Are those type of weapons receiving a buff to make up for the lack of a side arm?

I'm throwing my hat in this eq slot ring:

2 sidearms and 2 EQ slots (for minja at least).

Would solve a lot of problems.

I guess their thinking is most likely, "if you miss the kill, use your cloak to run away", and that's the buff .

In other words, you can have cloak for getting into trouble, or cloak for getting out of trouble, but not both.
(because of the cooldown. unless its just crazy short)

Now, in my opinion, that sucks.... but its still probably the way they're thinking :-/

Actually, it wont be that dificult for a scout to avoid scans, still.
If they stick to the proposed 35dB default profile, then it only takes damping level3, and 2xadv damps, to avoid normal proto scanners, even with gallente logi bonus.

Your profile wil be 21.74dB, if I did the math right.

The focused duvolle will still be a problem of course. But if barely anyone runs them now, most likely barely anyone will run them in the future. I think CCP didnt do too badly with the scaling this time.

This part, actually IS a slight buff to scouts, in that it will be more difficult, if not impossible, for medium frames, to get under scans now. but not for scouts.

So in that sense, it would be good for scouts to see a bunch of gallente logi scanners in the field.

I'd rather not be forced into a two sidearm combo, for me i'm choosing between knife and shotgun, not knife and another sidearm. I really suspect this is the usual case for scouts.

sure.

How about you post that on the main scout thread and see what they say?

Sounds like you should be a ginja.

Except that being scanned doesn't uncloak you, and as a smart Scout, you're not making yourself an easy target. Also, the "stunlock" effect doesn't stop you from moving at all, just slows you from a full sprint, which you might not need anyway. And that's assuming the Scout in question didn't choose to stack profile dampeners along with our reduced base profile, making us MUCH harder to pick up even with that Proto Scanner of yours.

Those "health buffs" you're talking about are actually going to be nerfs to specific weapons to increase TTK - "not a blanket nerf on all weapons" means NOT A BLANKET NERF ON ALL WEAPONS, which means the weapons designed for instant-kill potential should retain that capability. My Shotgun still instant kills most non-Heavy targets like it should, and so do our Knives.

You're also assuming poor hit detection that is progressively more rare as the devs work on improving the game. And you're assuming that another player is not only reacting, but reacting perfectly as soon as they take fire from an enemy they didn't see coming, and somehow, in a slower suit, backing up while firing and magically moving faster than the Scout that's chasing them as they try and back up. If you can assume perfect reactions on the victim of a sneak attack, I can assume a perfect reaction from the attacker in response to the backpedalling, meaning that instead of getting out of range, you stay about 2m apart while the Scout is blasting away with an 8-round semi-auto Shotgun that takes at least 80% of its target's health per shot at that range. Pretty sure you're dead four times over before I need to reload, even with a worst-case scenario of half my shots missing you'd die twice.

Honestly, with how good many Scouts have already gotten at getting ourselves into position WITHOUT cloaking, frequently even when facing players with Scanners, it's wholly reasonable for Scouts to sneak into position using our current tactics, and only cloak on the way back out, after our attacks have alerted the enemy team to our presence.

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As for a cloak being "necessary", if we get 2 equipment slots, I'm going to have at least a few Nanohive/Repair Tool fittings. Probably running Shotguns on at least 2 of them.

Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though.

I posted it in the quid pro by scouty or whatshisname.

My beef is that the Caldari and Amarr bonuses force the scout to use a single piece of equipment and on top of that they are without profile reduction. Luckily for me the Gallente retain that bonus however a range nerf? That's either an extremely bad move or you better have a mega innate buff to the radius on the suit.

Alternately, just give scouts an extra equipment slot flat out and don't trade anything for it, because scouts already get nothing for the HP trade they're making just by being Scouts.

I'm throwing my hat in this eq slot ring:

2 sidearms and 2 EQ slots (for minja at least).

Would solve a lot of problems.

CCP mentioned that the db might be reduced to 35, so 31.5 plus one complex = 23.6, tauntingly not low enough to dodge a proto gal logi scanner, then one militia/advance dampener gets you below the non focus proto variants.

And in the post made earlier the trade off CCP is thinking is sidearm for a second equipment slot, which is a tough one to swallow either way. Glass Cannon flanker is the direction the min is going it seems. Also a min scout now seems can potentially do 464 melee damage if it goes crazy.