i need you to be more specific, we dont exactly have "good" e-war gear so i might just put a bonus to cloaking

I meant Electronic Warfare Equipment as a subset of equipment, a group that CCP can add to as more E-War equipment is released so they don't have to change the scout bonus. Cloaking is the only E-War equipment coming out in the near future (which also means the cal scout would need a placeholder bonus until jammers arrive).

Cloak fitting reduction bonus will work for now but really needs to be 15% per level. Since logis have 25% equipment reduction and quite a bit more cpu/pg than scouts, any cloak fitting cost that is fair to scouts with a 50% reduction will be easy for logis to fit as well.

I'm more partial to the precision bonus Oswald mentioned, but the cloak cooldown would work well enough for me until jammers arrive.

Other than that, +1.

Edit:
Oh, Amarr scout should probably be 2/3 for H/L and Min scout should probably be 3/3.

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

I'd say that's a point in a case to add EWar info to the HUD.
Instant thoughts are maybe some small numbers around the map radar for Profile, Precision, and maybe Range.
Perhaps have them change color (and/or blink) if the value changes from what you had when you spawned.

Or perhaps an optional / toggleable element that's more substantial, though I'm sure that's quite a bit more work.

You'll probably need some kind of similar way to deliver info for command suit bonuses to recipients as well, wont you?

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So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

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Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.

An alternative would be to have the hacking bonus was the role bonus for all scouts, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and myofibrals), 10% per level.

The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120.

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

Definitely. UI feedback is something that's being addressed, but as someone primarily responsible for balance and working with what we have now it comes down to a) do we leave this role *cough* Scout *cough* languishing until we get the features we need b) do we band-aid it with a temporary adjustment that is better but not ultimately what's desired (and have players demanding respecs later ) or c) do we just do nothing until all the supporting features are in place to do it properly?

In an ideal world, C would be the way to go, but game development is almost never ideal.

The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120.

So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable.

The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120.

Would there be any possibility of tying in a melee damage boost to an increased damage output of nova knives? It just feels logical.

Well, charged nova knives already pack a whallop. Not sure I'd want to bump them up along with base melee (which was underwhelming even with the skill)

That works, though I still think there should be a scout with a hacking bonus.

The bonuses from the test servers in general seem pretty good, though the assault ones are pretty bad. The ROF bonus buffs the AR, RR (and maybe the CR), but not the SCR (nerfing it by ommision). On top of that, the removal of the Amarr assault's heat buildup reduction bonus is a much bigger nerf. The ROF bonus would make a SCR disincentivized on an assault suit because the bonus is wasted on it.

Instead of HP/rep bonuses, assaults should have bonuses that enhance their race's weaponry. You guys had the right idea with the heat bonus.
Amarr: 5% heat buildup per level of laser weapons per.
Minmatar: 5% magazine size per level of projectiles and explosives per level.
Gallente: 5% reload speed of hybrid-blaster weapons per level.
Caldari: something...

As for the role bonus, the 4 racial rifles should receive a 10% damage nerf, but the role bonus should give a 2% light weapon damage increase per level, so they will be as strong as they currently are to a maxed out assault, and ensure assaults are better slayers than logis without making the weapons overpowered and hurting TTK.


Also back on scuts, I love the Caldari scout idea of increasing the enemy's precision (so counter-intuitive in regular language though that more precision means less effective at sensing).

Well, charged nova knives already pack a whallop. Not sure I'd want to bump them up along with base melee (which was underwhelming even with the skill)

Well, charged nova knives already pack a whallop. Not sure I'd want to bump them up along with base melee (which was underwhelming even with the skill)