|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 10 post(s) |
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
575
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 06:37:00 -
[1] - Quote
So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
579
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:02:00 -
[2] - Quote
Citpaan Hacos wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable. I'd say that's a point in a case to add EWar info to the HUD. Instant thoughts are maybe some small numbers around the map radar for Profile, Precision, and maybe Range. Perhaps have them change color (and/or blink) if the value changes from what you had when you spawned. Or perhaps an optional / toggleable element that's more substantial, though I'm sure that's quite a bit more work. You'll probably need some kind of similar way to deliver info for command suit bonuses to recipients as well, wont you?
Definitely. UI feedback is something that's being addressed, but as someone primarily responsible for balance and working with what we have now it comes down to a) do we leave this role *cough* Scout *cough* languishing until we get the features we need b) do we band-aid it with a temporary adjustment that is better but not ultimately what's desired (and have players demanding respecs later ) or c) do we just do nothing until all the supporting features are in place to do it properly?
In an ideal world, C would be the way to go, but game development is almost never ideal. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
579
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:03:00 -
[3] - Quote
Ralden Caster wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:So here's a question... would you like a Caldari Scout skill that actually increased the precision of anyone caught within the passive radius even if there was NO UI FEEDBACK telling you the adjusted scan precision/profile values? I'd love to make the Caldari Scout a jammer suit, but without decent UI feedback it'd be more confusing than enjoyable. Every, Single, CCP. Dev. I've. Seen. On. The. Forums. Is. CALDARI.
I'm Minmatar all the way! Wolfman is Amarr for life. Our DEV accounts were created for us and came Caldari by default. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
580
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:27:00 -
[4] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
An alternative would be to have the hacking bonus was the role bonus for all scouts, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and myofibrals), 10% per level.
The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
588
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:43:00 -
[5] - Quote
Jadek Menaheim wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
An alternative would be to have the hacking bonus was the role bonus for all scouts, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and myofibrals), 10% per level. The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120. Would there be any possibility of tying in a melee damage boost to an increased damage output of nova knives? It just feels logical. Well, charged nova knives already pack a whallop. Not sure I'd want to bump them up along with base melee (which was underwhelming even with the skill) |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
588
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:47:00 -
[6] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
An alternative would be to have the hacking bonus was the role bonus for all scouts, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and myofibrals), 10% per level. The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120. That works, though I still think there should be a scout with a hacking bonus. The bonuses from the test servers in general seem pretty good, though the assault ones are pretty bad. The ROF bonus buffs the AR, RR (and maybe the CR), but not the SCR (nerfing it by ommision). On top of that, the removal of the Amarr assault's heat buildup reduction bonus is a much bigger nerf. The ROF bonus would make a SCR disincentivized on an assault suit because the bonus is wasted on it. Instead of HP/rep bonuses, assaults should have bonuses that enhance their race's weaponry. You guys had the right idea with the heat bonus. Amarr: 5% heat buildup per level of laser weapons per. Minmatar: 5% magazine size per level of projectiles and explosives per level. Gallente: 5% reload speed of hybrid-blaster weapons per level. Caldari: something... As for the role bonus, the 4 racial rifles should receive a 10% damage nerf, but the role bonus should give a 2% light weapon damage increase per level, so they will be as strong as they currently are to a maxed out assault, and ensure assaults are better slayers than logis without making the weapons overpowered and hurting TTK. Also back on scuts, I love the Caldari scout idea of increasing the enemy's precision (so counter-intuitive in regular language though that more precision means less effective at sensing).
Yeah, TTK is definitely something we're looking at improving. The reason we've not hot-fixed a blanket 10% nerf is simply because of the knock -on effects it has (e.g. reducing the damage output of an ammo guzzler like the ACR means it gets a bigger nerf than simply reduced DPS; though some might argue that's not a bad thing).
For 1.8 you should see re-adjustment of damage mods, a reduction to weapon damage and possibly alteration of the weapon proficiency skills to only buff damage against shield or armor (in keeping with that weapon's profile) instead of a blanket 3% per level to both shields and armor. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
590
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 07:58:00 -
[7] - Quote
Appia Vibbia wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Minmatar scout melee bonus is still less than medium frame melee, even when maxed out; its also weird for it to get a bonus to another race's weapon (nova knives are Caldari). The 5% hacking speed bonus (which seems like its going to be removed from the Minmatar logi) would be perfect on a scout given that they have the speed to quickly and stealthily reach objectives.
An alternative would be to have the hacking bonus was the role bonus for all scouts, and the Minmatar scout bonus was to the efficacy of biotic modules (kinkats, stimulants, and myofibrals), 10% per level. The plan was to buff up the Minmatar Scout's base melee damage (right now light frames do 80, medium frames 110 and heavy frames 150) up to 120. That works, though I still think there should be a scout with a hacking bonus. The bonuses from the test servers in general seem pretty good, though the assault ones are pretty bad. The ROF bonus buffs the AR, RR (and maybe the CR), but not the SCR (nerfing it by ommision). On top of that, the removal of the Amarr assault's heat buildup reduction bonus is a much bigger nerf. The ROF bonus would make a SCR disincentivized on an assault suit because the bonus is wasted on it. Instead of HP/rep bonuses, assaults should have bonuses that enhance their race's weaponry. You guys had the right idea with the heat bonus. Amarr: 5% heat buildup per level of laser weapons per. Minmatar: 5% magazine size per level of projectiles and explosives per level. Gallente: 5% reload speed of hybrid-blaster weapons per level. Caldari: something... As for the role bonus, the 4 racial rifles should receive a 10% damage nerf, but the role bonus should give a 2% light weapon damage increase per level, so they will be as strong as they currently are to a maxed out assault, and ensure assaults are better slayers than logis without making the weapons overpowered and hurting TTK. Also back on scuts, I love the Caldari scout idea of increasing the enemy's precision (so counter-intuitive in regular language though that more precision means less effective at sensing). Yeah, TTK is definitely something we're looking at improving. The reason we've not hot-fixed a blanket 10% nerf is simply because of the knock -on effects it has (e.g. reducing the damage output of an ammo guzzler like the ACR means it gets a bigger nerf than simply reduced DPS; though some might argue that's not a bad thing). For 1.8 you should see re-adjustment of damage mods, a reduction to weapon damage and possibly alteration of the weapon proficiency skills to only buff damage against shield or armor (in keeping with that weapon's profile) instead of a blanket 3% per level to both shields and armor. Oooh, a reduction to damage. That sounds really nice... so long as you don't decrease the damage on Sniper Rifle, shotgun, or nova knives, all of which are under-performing . And it is really nice to see a Dev comment on this thread, however CCP Remnent are you aware that there is a 348+ page long thread by scouts and about scouts that exists on general discussion? Because coming in and talking on a thread by someone that has not been around very long nor no know place in the scout community really does not help balance or get the opinions of the majority of the players that use the Scout suit.
That's the problem... it's a 350-odd page thread :) I meant no disrespect to anyone. Just saw a question I could and answered it. I tend to ninja answers in and get out otherwise I'd never get any work done. |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
599
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 08:36:00 -
[8] - Quote
jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I very much appreciate the replies CCP Remnant. I tried to edit my post to add this, but didn't do so fast enough:
In regards to scouts. I am also worried about the effects of the new Gallente logi active scanner precision bonus on the scout's ability to be stealthy. I would recommend changing it to a range bonus, or nerfing the base precision of active scanners to compensate. Active scanners are already so prevalent as it is right now, and there is no active counter; passive scan is countered by passive dampening, but active scanner equipment has no equipment to counter it. There are prototype scanner variants that require 4 complex dampeners on a maxed out scout to evade (according to some calculations), and this is without the help of a precision bonus. I fear active scanners may severely hurt the stealth niche.
Scouts are a getting a buff to base scan profile (probably a reduction down to 35, though the exact number isn't final) |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
620
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 09:48:00 -
[9] - Quote
hgghyujh wrote:im okay with it, how ever I would like to see other light frame variants for hacking, assassination and battlefield intel.
that said current iterations need two equipment slots more then ever and the pg/cpu buff to go with it.
Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though) |
|
|
CCP Remnant
C C P C C P Alliance
623
|
Posted - 2014.01.13 10:03:00 -
[10] - Quote
Sinboto Simmons wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:hgghyujh wrote:im okay with it, how ever I would like to see other light frame variants for hacking, assassination and battlefield intel.
that said current iterations need two equipment slots more then ever and the pg/cpu buff to go with it. Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though) Pardon? So no more NK/MD fits huh? *cries a little*
Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though. |
|
|
|
|
|