1) What weapons can realistically be used without a sidearm as back up? Or better, what weapons can not?

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Pistol - too little ammo

Minor correction for you:


unless you skill it up to proto level. Then all scrambler pistols get 11 bullets. Fairly decent.

But generally speaking, yeah too little ammo to use as primary.

You get more in the clip but still only get the bog standard total ammo unless you skill up ammo capacity too.

As a diehard long term pistoleer, I can certainly say that having no back up to the pistol will result in a weaponless scout if you're actually good enough to stay alive for more than 5 minutes.

And for anyone advocating that we'll be fine if we have only one weapon because we can run with squads - running with squads is counter to everything the scout stands for; it makes your profile bonus and cloak completely irrelevant.

If I wanted to be a logi, I'll skill into logi suits; I want to be a scout, so don't try to make become a logi.

I use Shotguns on their own on several fittings, and have a Swarm Logi fitting with no sidearm slot available. Swarms become reliant on squadmates when you don't have a sidearm, but they can be used on their own.

Shotguns have plenty of ammo, its the range and everyone running when they see it.

Last night I got five kills from my first clip on Venerable Phage. Then I went out and did scouty things like destroying uplinks. Finished 6/5 350... 8 uplinks, 2 hives.

I don't see a scout as a slayer role. They are best used to get battlefield intelligence and break the momentum of the reds. Mind you a scanner does better at intelligence and a heavy-logi combo is better at breaking a frontal assault.

Shotguns have plenty of ammo, its the range and everyone running when they see it.

Last night I got five kills from my first clip on Venerable Phage. Then I went out and did scouty things like destroying uplinks. Finished 6/5 350... 8 uplinks, 2 hives.

I don't see a scout as a slayer role. They are best used to get battlefield intelligence and break the momentum of the reds. Mind you a scanner does better at intelligence and a heavy-logi combo is better at breaking a frontal assault.

As this thread has left page one, and I think the majority of discussion is done, i will present to you a compilation of my efforts in determining the communities opinions on Scout bonuses, and possible alternatives

Role bonus: Currently 10% reduction to Cpu and Pg usage of cloaks per level
Proposed: Keep the 5% profile dampening bonus, increase the bonus, and add it on in addition to profile dampening

C bonus- Currently: 5% reduction to cloak drain per level
Suggested: +5% to enemy scan precision (affects active scanners) to enemies within dropsuit scan radius, may keep cloaking bonus

G bonus- Currently: 5% to profile dampening, 5% to scan radius
Suggested: 10% to scan radius, 5% to scan precision per level

M bonus: Currently: 5% damage to nova knives
Suggested: 3% bonus to movement/sprint speed, and 5% back/sides damage bonus or 5% hacking speed (preferably the bonus to damage dealt from behind/side, so the nova knife remains relevant, but also opens up versatility) Also, for any questions about this bonus, it only applies within under 10 or 15 meters from the target.

A bonus: Currently: 5% to cloak cooldown reduction speed per level
Suggested: 10% bonus to maximum stamina/ stamina regeneration rate, may keep cloaking bonus.

If you have any questions why these are my final candidates for bonuses, feel free to ask!

Eh, I can take 'em or leave 'em either way. Only thing that concerns me is the FACT that there will be something done to the scouts in the first place.

[quote=Gavr1lo Pr1nc1pAgreed, but while they are doing something to scouts, why not see them do something for the better, rather than reduce us to uselessness

Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though.