The problem is, while other classes get better, the heavies have continually gotten worse over time. Chromosome was an epic time for heavies, and before that heavies were the gods on the battlefield requiring 2-3 guys to team fire. Now? One guy with an Assault rifle could take one down in a matter of seconds.

Heavies are no longer feared like they used to be, in fact a Caldari suit + AR is more feared than anything else.

The highest HWSS level I managed to get was 4 and from what I remembered, 5 was the sweet spot to dominate in CQC. Once you got into the proficiencies, things got a little insane. The whole point was to toss up a highly inaccurate wall of lead in a single direction to suppress enemies in choke points and mow them down before you overheated, needed to reload, or died- whichever happened first. The suits back then felt like they were made of glass, but the HMG was solid. Now we have the opposite in Uprising, solid suit, but marshmallow gun. At this point, I'd rather have this on a heavy.

i maxed out SS and proficiency, and man the class was fun to use. I had a medium suit that I hardly touched back then.

The gun was a beast! The suit was meh, and the fact that people couldn't afford to use Proto heavy suits back then meant that the B Series suit was it! I liked the B Series though, but it wasn't a competitive suit among all the proto Assault players.

Heavies were OP in Chromosome, but are definitely UP now. CCP needs to find a happy medium.

RattatiGÇÖs idea of reducing the head shot bonus on Heavies would help a lot. A large part of the problem now is that a HeavyGÇÖs head is the size of a microwave, so our extra armour does not mean much when even players who have poor aim can get a head shot on a heavy consistently. Reducing the Head Shot damage bonus on Heavies would help us quite a bit. It makes sense too. We got a lot of mettle around our heads.

Heavies were feared back in Chromosome... OP? Maybe the range was.

Headshot reduction won't do much though, as the problem is will still be the weapon being weak. Yea it might make us survive a little longer, but the DPS of an AR will make that extra 6-9 bullets in no time flat.

lol...

Oh you mean the POTENTIAL DPS.

Guess you haven't fired an HMG huh? If you did you would have noticed the huge amount of bullet spread making the numbers game useless. The DPS on your screen is accurate if every bullet hits, and lol at every bullet from the HMG hitting.

The AR / SR has a better representation of their DPS as they're accurate weapons.

The more you know

I did just fine in chrome is was about tactics then now it takes none

^^

Honesty.

I never saw the problem with chromosome spread or range.

The HMG is supposed to be deadlier than the AR. It is classified as an anti-infantry weapon. And HMG's realistically have more range than an AR.

Even in EVE, projectile autocannons outrange blasters (which is what an AR is), and larger weapon classes outrange smaller weapon classes.

So this is a weird inconsistency that makes very little sense. We already have enough drawbacks to justify additional range.

I did just fine in chrome is was about tactics then now it takes none

You should know by that that the assaults and medium frames will get fleshed out first.

They gave them all of their suits first, and will give them all of their weapons before anything else, and all of the equipment related to their benefit before touching the diminished and starving population of heavies and scouts.

Those who are still playing heavies and scouts are there for the concept entirely

Heavies were feared back in Chromosome... OP? Maybe the range was.

Headshot reduction won't do much though, as the problem is will still be the weapon being weak. Yea it might make us survive a little longer, but the DPS of an AR will make that extra 6-9 bullets in no time flat.

lol...

Oh you mean the POTENTIAL DPS.

Guess you haven't fired an HMG huh? If you did you would have noticed the huge amount of bullet spread making the numbers game useless. The DPS on your screen is accurate if every bullet hits, and lol at every bullet from the HMG hitting.

The AR / SR has a better representation of their DPS as they're accurate weapons.

The more you know

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

I strongly disagree that Heavies were OP back in Chromosome. The only reason anyone thinks that is because it was the beginning of a new Skill Wipe.

Heavies are OP in low leveled matches. When everyone's skillpoints are low and none of the higher tier stuff was out yet, a Heavy that rushed a Type-II suit plus an MH-82 was a god to any militia/standard fit. The total HP without modules and the raw power of the MH-82 made it incredibly difficult to deal with during the first weeks of Chrom. Even in Chromosome though, Heavies saw a severe drop off in power and capabilities as soon as the higher tier suits started to get unlocked. While the Tybe-B assaults were strong and the Prototype suits were godly, Heavies had to deal with a single slot increase with each tier and a 200K+ prototype suit.

People abused the fact that heavies were immensely strong at the beginning of chromosome, but at the end of it, they were no better than scouts. Heavies barely even had a place in the 8v8 corp matches back then. At least now they are needed for Forge Gun control and the removed range cap for the HMG makes distance battles better than your bullets disappearing after 60 meters.

I fully agree that Heavies need a buff. They are gimped in too many ways for that increased health and the ability to use heavy weapons... But please, take off the rose colored glasses. Chromosome wasn't much better, if at all.

I strongly disagree that Heavies were OP back in Chromosome. The only reason anyone thinks that is because it was the beginning of a new Skill Wipe.

Heavies are OP in low leveled matches. When everyone's skillpoints are low and none of the higher tier stuff was out yet, a Heavy that rushed a Type-II suit plus an MH-82 was a god to any militia/standard fit. The total HP without modules and the raw power of the MH-82 made it incredibly difficult to deal with during the first weeks of Chrom. Even in Chromosome though, Heavies saw a severe drop off in power and capabilities as soon as the higher tier suits started to get unlocked. While the Tybe-B assaults were strong and the Prototype suits were godly, Heavies had to deal with a single slot increase with each tier and a 200K+ prototype suit.

People abused the fact that heavies were immensely strong at the beginning of chromosome, but at the end of it, they were no better than scouts. Heavies barely even had a place in the 8v8 corp matches back then. At least now they are needed for Forge Gun control and the removed range cap for the HMG makes distance battles better than your bullets disappearing after 60 meters.

I fully agree that Heavies need a buff. They are gimped in too many ways for that increased health and the ability to use heavy weapons... But please, take off the rose colored glasses. Chromosome wasn't much better, if at all.

I guess you never learned that HMGs aren't supposed to operate at long ranges where spread would be a concern.

Comparing Chromosome to Uprising, heavies were FAR better then than now.

I was also in the fight that Proto heavies were a joke, I made threads in the feedback section about it. I knew heavies back then were meh. They weren't bad, in corp matches, but they weren't a god send either.

Now they're just plain bad.

I never saw the problem with chromosome spread or range.

The HMG is supposed to be deadlier than the AR. It is classified as an anti-infantry weapon. And HMG's realistically have more range than an AR.

Even in EVE, projectile autocannons outrange blasters (which is what an AR is), and larger weapon classes outrange smaller weapon classes.

So this is a weird inconsistency that makes very little sense. We already have enough drawbacks to justify additional range.

Who ever said this? Far as I'm concerned Heavies had decent range since closed beta all the way up to Chromosome. Only in Uprising they got this dumb range, and the power of a spitball.

I have no idea where this "heavies are only for cqc" garbage come from.

A strong resistance skill would go a long way, but even if that gets put in it won't fix the HMG issue. It will just make the heavy suit the favorite suit for using a rifle.

There are a lot of ways to fix the HMG. Some people want more damage, some people want greatly decreased dispersion. Some people want a "stagger" effect when the HMG hits their target which slows them down and cripples their targets ability to aim. I could actually get on board with that one for the simple fact it would be a hilariously trolling tool and completely unique.

Gotta love the lack of care for the heavy coming from CCP. Seriously, just take the class out of the game. Like the dropships and Marauder tanks, just take it out til it's actually useful.

It's pathetic that after a year and a half the heavy class still only has 1 anti infantry weapon specific to its class. DUST is about diversity I was told... LOL! Only diversity in this game is who can spam proto nades the best.

This game is about medium suits + Assault rifles.

Everyone is a slayer. Scout is almost useless, and heavies defending is laughable because they're a proto hipster glorified camper now.

I say it again, heavies will soon become a dinosaur. Extinct and a distant memory. What a joke. From being a feared, and well respected class to being a joke in DUST

Well done.

There are many ways to fix some of the issues you mention, heavy being more resistant to small arms fire, or the heavy armor shields better from headshots, etc.

Please, oh gods of DUST, give Heavies immunity to headshots from the front.

All would be right with the world.