DUST Search - New Assault Rifles coming, and NO Heavy Weapon... GG!

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.

So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.

It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

Problem is that it doesn't work in PC. It essentially makes you a stationary target, and most of the incoming shots will hit your head which kills you that much faster.

When everybody is using proto they have too much HP to kill effectively with that tactic. But their accuracy is absolutely perfect, and they get the ability to strafe to dodge your shots. You will get dropped instantly.


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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 534	Posted - 2013.10.22 16:26:00 - [1] - Quote I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm. I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more. I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods. But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible. So I struggled on. And then I crouched. And the angels sang. It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 536	Posted - 2013.10.22 16:39:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm. I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more. I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods. But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible. So I struggled on. And then I crouched. And the angels sang. It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's) Problem is that it doesn't work in PC. It essentially makes you a stationary target, and most of the incoming shots will hit your head which kills you that much faster. When everybody is using proto they have too much HP to kill effectively with that tactic. But their accuracy is absolutely perfect, and they get the ability to strafe to dodge your shots. You will get dropped instantly. Absolutely, you have to almost double tab the crouch button but it makes at least playing the heavy viable in many games. There are many ways to fix some of the issues you mention, heavy being more resistant to small arms fire, or the heavy armor shields better from headshots, etc. I'll leave that to the designers but I assure you, we are always listening (and measuring) to what works in PC and what doesn't, so keep the feedback flowing.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.10.22 22:25:00 - [3] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Actually Rattati, what do you do at CCP? Hey Fox/Himiko, I am the global head of FP&A at CCP, currently based in Iceland, and relocating with my family to Shanghai in January to help our efforts on Dust 514, joining CCP Rouge and the team there. Given that I am also a fanatic player, you might call me a true believer in Dust 514 and its potential.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 730	Posted - 2013.10.29 14:37:00 - [4] - Quote Not to slight accountants in any way, but I really am not, I'm an engineer I work closely with the Dust team, so even not actively developing, can (sometimes) influence what is developed. To address some of the questions. I don't think I said the heavy was PC competitive, if you read my comment, I said it could be used situationally, and not everyone knows about the crouching, I think it's been kept a little secret in the community. I don't think I ever advocated crouching constantly out in the open all the time. We are increasing the effective ehp by 20% in 1.6 which will help. On the forums, I am sharing my thoughts as a player, and also to get feedback and discussions, about things that interest me as a player or playstyles that I am not personally familiar with We absolutely try to source information from the CPM, forums, internal metrics and logs, and of course, our own experience. All these play a part in the decision making process. So let's keep the feedback positive and detailed, many posts in this thread are superb in that aspect, and have certainly helped me understand the heavy's concerns better.