Gotta love the lack of care for the heavy coming from CCP. Seriously, just take the class out of the game. Like the dropships and Marauder tanks, just take it out til it's actually useful.

It's pathetic that after a year and a half the heavy class still only has 1 anti infantry weapon specific to its class. DUST is about diversity I was told... LOL! Only diversity in this game is who can spam proto nades the best.

This game is about medium suits + Assault rifles.

Everyone is a slayer. Scout is almost useless, and heavies defending is laughable because they're a proto hipster glorified camper now.

I say it again, heavies will soon become a dinosaur. Extinct and a distant memory. What a joke. From being a feared, and well respected class to being a joke in DUST

Well done.

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

Fox Usually doesn't troll...

Problem is that it doesn't work in PC. It essentially makes you a stationary target, and most of the incoming shots will hit your head which kills you that much faster.

When everybody is using proto they have too much HP to kill effectively with that tactic. But their accuracy is absolutely perfect, and they get the ability to strafe to dodge your shots. You will get dropped instantly.

Soo.... basically you're saying that a feature that's been in the game since release is why you still aren't releasing new weapons for the heavy? Like it's all of a sudden supposed to be a game changer or something?

The problem is, while other classes get better, the heavies have continually gotten worse over time. Chromosome was an epic time for heavies, and before that heavies were the gods on the battlefield requiring 2-3 guys to team fire. Now? One guy with an Assault rifle could take one down in a matter of seconds.

Heavies are no longer feared like they used to be, in fact a Caldari suit + AR is more feared than anything else.

I never saw the problem with chromosome spread or range.

The HMG is supposed to be deadlier than the AR. It is classified as an anti-infantry weapon. And HMG's realistically have more range than an AR.

Even in EVE, projectile autocannons outrange blasters (which is what an AR is), and larger weapon classes outrange smaller weapon classes.

So this is a weird inconsistency that makes very little sense. We already have enough drawbacks to justify additional range.

You should know by that that the assaults and medium frames will get fleshed out first.

They gave them all of their suits first, and will give them all of their weapons before anything else, and all of the equipment related to their benefit before touching the diminished and starving population of heavies and scouts.

Those who are still playing heavies and scouts are there for the concept entirely

I strongly disagree that Heavies were OP back in Chromosome. The only reason anyone thinks that is because it was the beginning of a new Skill Wipe.

Heavies are OP in low leveled matches. When everyone's skillpoints are low and none of the higher tier stuff was out yet, a Heavy that rushed a Type-II suit plus an MH-82 was a god to any militia/standard fit. The total HP without modules and the raw power of the MH-82 made it incredibly difficult to deal with during the first weeks of Chrom. Even in Chromosome though, Heavies saw a severe drop off in power and capabilities as soon as the higher tier suits started to get unlocked. While the Tybe-B assaults were strong and the Prototype suits were godly, Heavies had to deal with a single slot increase with each tier and a 200K+ prototype suit.

People abused the fact that heavies were immensely strong at the beginning of chromosome, but at the end of it, they were no better than scouts. Heavies barely even had a place in the 8v8 corp matches back then. At least now they are needed for Forge Gun control and the removed range cap for the HMG makes distance battles better than your bullets disappearing after 60 meters.

I fully agree that Heavies need a buff. They are gimped in too many ways for that increased health and the ability to use heavy weapons... But please, take off the rose colored glasses. Chromosome wasn't much better, if at all.

^this guy gets it. i'm not even a heavy and this is exactly how they should work.

more defense vs small arms fire but in the same vein it doesnt make sense to have them with solid movement. I think the scouts should be speed up a tad and heavies slowed down just a little.

On second thought maybe make it hard for them to speed up...biotics that make movement faster should only have a 25% effect on them. Some heavies will be faster (minmatar, gallente) but not fast per se.

give the HMG a damage buff inside 15m too. thats their killbox

if ur that close to a heavy ur doing it wrong.

Hopefully they look at heavies again. SoTa said that scouts will be getting attention before heavies. That's cool, but why can't both classes get attention at the same time? Both are in a pretty bad spot

Hey Fox/Himiko,

I am the global head of FP&A at CCP, currently based in Iceland, and relocating with my family to Shanghai in January to help our efforts on Dust 514, joining CCP Rouge and the team there.

Given that I am also a fanatic player, you might call me a true believer in Dust 514 and its potential.

Well closed beta heavy compared to what we have now would be godly.

I quit the HMG heavy build and went AR assault months ago. I am still on strike and do not see myself going back. I was a heavy since beta and I cant believe the A** ream CCP gave us. Give up, move on and spec into something else. Just not scouts because they are CCP's 2nd b**** behind the heavy. I am angry beyond words over 3 Million into one build, I want my SP back. I have had bad luck when it comes to this game. Spec into heavy/hmg then its nerfed, spec into Cal Logi before the QQ and it was nerfed, went sniper got distant rendering and hit detection issues, now I went AR and Gal assault and now I am reading AR is soon to be nerfed. I am a basic rifle or HMG person I do not like ScR, Laser rifle not willing to go there just yet, shotgun has problems like HMG, not much more peaks my interest.


I am going to save my SP and hope that a weapon comes that is balanced and will not be nerfed by CCP. Still holding my breath

Great derail without adressing anything.
You got the right skills for Dust 514, I'll give you that.

Guess you can't say anything about heavy dropsuits either, figured.

Sometimes you guys are a real joke.
Be glad that you're working in the game industry; at this standard.

Add the Carthum Scrambler to the list of rifles that out damage the Boundless HMG within it's optimal range. Had it happen twice in the same corridor in the same match. Duvolles and GEKs I've known about for a while. And I know all of you AR users will just see this as Heavy QQing which is fine. See it however you like. When things are tipped in your favor, it's just human nature to defend that status quo. Most of you have never touched the Heavy or HMG so it's not your problem, so long as you continue to get your kills. You just know that it's fine, and we need to stop complaining about it. So I understand that I'm not going to convince you of anything. That is not my intent. I do hope however that CCP will take this and other feedback into consideration and at least attempt to address this issue that affects many in their player base.

I also understand now why this is sometimes referred to as AR 514. I didn't before. It was frustrating losing confrontations that I thought I should have won simply because my opponent danced around a little bit, or jumped, still landing pinpoint accurate shots, or sometimes just simply stood there and out damaged me (like in the corridor mentioned above), or somehow because hits just stopped registering for some reason. I chalked it up to just needing to skill up more, but no, it still happens with proto gear, complex mods, complex armor and the like. Rifles in this game just seem to out class a very broken HMG in situations that the HMG was supposedly made for.

As I've said in other posts, I've had some success with the HMG, but there are some situations where things seem very off kilter... very unbalanced.

Just because your weapon should be better at cqc engagements on paper does not mean a whole lot if you cannot hit your intended target, ive got a friend who is extremely bad at FPS games, he gets extremely frustrated each time an opponent strafes and dances around evading his gunfire and to him, everyone should just stand still so he can kill them....

Ive had on multiple occasions because of multiple long engagements overheated my SCR like a scrub, Heavy ambushes me, i jump, get stuck in a rock unable to move, served like a Proto Pinata ona silver platter...heavy unleaches everything he has on me ...for a whole 5 seconds...while i am superheated, overheat ends and the heavy dies, he did not even manage to hit me in those 5 seconds and i was like right there unable to move....

I mean ....how bad can you get ? And while there are good heavies, most heavies are very bad players thinking the extra armor and HMG can save them from people who have 90%+ Accuracy Ratings...

Not gonna happen...

i think the main point of this post is that us heavies are lacking in weapons when everyone else gets something new and shiny to try out.

i have no problems playing as a heavy my highest KD was 36K 5D but thats not the main topic here

i would however like to see something new for us heavies, is there at least an idea of when we will receive something new for us? and answering soonTM isn't a viable answer would it be coming out this year or do we have to wait till next year?

I'm going to say some controversial things in my post, I know many of you won't agree with them and that is fine. The heavy as it is sucks, it has no purpose, it can be out Ehped by other classes which is fricking ridiculous, the HMG can be out dpsed at close range by other guns, yeah I know paper stats it is the best, until you factor in that other guns get 2xto 3x the amount of headshots that the HMG will ever be able to deliver. Along with the fact that the HMG has a spin up time which really isn't supposed to be there if you read the description of the weapon, least on some of them. The heavy is pathetic in close quarters combat, medium combat, and especially long range combat, except for the forge gun, which every heavy is starting to use now even those that wish they could keep to the HMG. All this being said I will now bullet point my suggestions.

-All heavy suits should get at least a 25% increase in shield and armor, at advanced-proto level it should take 2 hits from a forge gun to kill a heavy (How stuipid is it that a milita gun, can kill a fully decked out proto heavy in 1 hit, that is literally saying a gun costing less then 1k of isk can smash a proto costing more then 400k in one hit consistenly)

-All heavies should have their speed reduced by 25-30%, this is a lumbering suit of death it isn't made to be fast, it is made to be a terrifying beast of war, that can "take on tanks"

-Small weapon damage, should do 10-20% less damage to heavies

-Explosive weapons, should do 20% less damage

-HMG's should do 2x the damage they currently do and have 10m additional range from what they have currently, spread keeps the same as it is to avoid being to powerful. HMG should also take up both weapon slots, from how powerful and heavy it is. As in real life, movies, etc, this needs to be a terrifying gun that people run away from that can mow down entire groups of people who are stuipid enough to frontal assault this weapon. With how slow the heavy is, this should easily be able to be countered with speed and good tactics, the HMG would become a crowd control gun and objective defense.

-repair tools do 15-25% extra to heavy suits, this is so that the repair tool can do the intended focus it was made for and allow for true tanking by shield or armor.

This is all for now please comment as you see fit.

.... or just put in the stagger and shake effect.

Plasma Cannon+Nova Knives Gallente Scout?

Yes, I have. And there are people who troll with those things. It's called a HEAVY machine gun. Of course, it's not gonna be easy to use. Big guns never really are, no matter how unrealistic the developers make them.

eHP means nothing when there's medium suits that can tank 1000+ eHP and have FAR better mobility + equipment slots

Heavy does not mean difficult to use. It means heavier than light. As in, deals heavier fire power. Not heavy as in "holy **** i can't lift this thing".

Thanks to Dev for sharing and being engaged in community discussion. Having said this... Why does a dev not know about limitations of a weapon. Why do you have to play long and hard to see what works and what does not and if it does how it works in a game that you built? I am not trolling in the least - this is truly a very important question. Why do you guys have to go through some strange round about ways to know which things are not working right?