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[FEEDBACK] Balancing Assault Rifle and TAR - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112035&find=unread
Status: We are going to release some changes to ranges, and additionally, 1.7 will give players new rifles to play with, and we will keep monitoring their performance on TQ.

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

Good lord walls of text.

Here's my two cents on the survivability improvement.
- I don't think even heavies should survive more than one direct hit, but even if I did a massive speed nerf would make lining up the shot painfully easy and that eHP would not account for much of anything, if anything it would prevent getting into cover and ensure more enemy shots land on you, in the long run.. I don't see much gain.

- Base improvement on eHP this needs to be addressed, not for forge guns just for being able to actually take a hit

- I do think heavies need just a bit more, frankly I'm a bit confused why there is no passive armor regeneration, with such an expansive suit it would only make sense that they would have some repair built in as they are unable to carry hives to rep

.........So you haven't already seen the damage the heavy machine gun CAN ALREADY do then.

A whole lot of stuff.

(DB EDIT:) ESTIMATED LIST HMG STD DPS AT RANGES

• AT 10m range from target HMG DPS = 552.5
• AT 20m range from target HMG DPS = 445
• AT 30m range from target HMG DPS = 337.5 (this is the range where you get out gunned while being across the street)
• AT 40m range from target HMG DPS = 230
• AT 50m range from target HMG DPS = 122.5 (why bother)

need I go on?...

another 10 page AR qq thread?

You know D, I've seen you make posts like this before. And I've always taken issue with your assumptions of how much damage is lost due to dispersion/hit detection/etc.

I took issue to it because you'd basically make up a number and then treat it like a fact, along side confirmable facts like base DPS.

However, this:



That looks pretty close to my experience in game. Looks like you've been refining your process, and I can respect that.

So +1, but do be please careful about making up numbers, and be clear when you're inserting a gut-check percentage into your equation. (For instance: losing 25% damage to dispersion. We both know that is not confirmable.)

i think the main point of this post is that us heavies are lacking in weapons when everyone else gets something new and shiny to try out.

i have no problems playing as a heavy my highest KD was 36K 5D but thats not the main topic here

i would however like to see something new for us heavies, is there at least an idea of when we will receive something new for us? and answering soonTM isn't a viable answer would it be coming out this year or do we have to wait till next year?

I'm going to say some controversial things in my post, I know many of you won't agree with them and that is fine. The heavy as it is sucks, it has no purpose, it can be out Ehped by other classes which is fricking ridiculous, the HMG can be out dpsed at close range by other guns, yeah I know paper stats it is the best, until you factor in that other guns get 2xto 3x the amount of headshots that the HMG will ever be able to deliver. Along with the fact that the HMG has a spin up time which really isn't supposed to be there if you read the description of the weapon, least on some of them. The heavy is pathetic in close quarters combat, medium combat, and especially long range combat, except for the forge gun, which every heavy is starting to use now even those that wish they could keep to the HMG. All this being said I will now bullet point my suggestions.

-All heavy suits should get at least a 25% increase in shield and armor, at advanced-proto level it should take 2 hits from a forge gun to kill a heavy (How stuipid is it that a milita gun, can kill a fully decked out proto heavy in 1 hit, that is literally saying a gun costing less then 1k of isk can smash a proto costing more then 400k in one hit consistenly)

-All heavies should have their speed reduced by 25-30%, this is a lumbering suit of death it isn't made to be fast, it is made to be a terrifying beast of war, that can "take on tanks"

-Small weapon damage, should do 10-20% less damage to heavies

-Explosive weapons, should do 20% less damage

-HMG's should do 2x the damage they currently do and have 10m additional range from what they have currently, spread keeps the same as it is to avoid being to powerful. HMG should also take up both weapon slots, from how powerful and heavy it is. As in real life, movies, etc, this needs to be a terrifying gun that people run away from that can mow down entire groups of people who are stuipid enough to frontal assault this weapon. With how slow the heavy is, this should easily be able to be countered with speed and good tactics, the HMG would become a crowd control gun and objective defense.

-repair tools do 15-25% extra to heavy suits, this is so that the repair tool can do the intended focus it was made for and allow for true tanking by shield or armor.

This is all for now please comment as you see fit.

.... or just put in the stagger and shake effect.

What's there to QQ about. It's an easy weapon to use, so it's the weapon of choice. The thread was about heavies and their lack of content, and how mediocre they are.

So defensive about your weapon

you make it sound like i care about the AR which i dont. when i started dust i was a real good sniper and a mediocre shotguner, being a heavy was next but i decided to go AR. i am probably the worst person you can tell that i care about something. If its such an easy weapon will you ever get 40 kills in a pc with it? pretty sure not

you make it sound like i care about the AR which i dont. when i started dust i was a real good sniper and a mediocre shotguner, being a heavy was next but i decided to go AR. i am probably the worst person you can tell that i care about something. If its such an easy weapon will you ever get 40 kills in a pc with it? pretty sure not

What? Being a Heavy is awesome.

We have 2 weapons in the game.

We have a Heavy Grenade slot with no Heavy Grenades in the game.

We have a suit with a bonus for a gun that doesn't exist, and a bonus that is simply laughable.

For like an entire year, one of the two guns had hit detection issues.

After they fixed the hit detection issue for the one gun, they nerfed the other gun into the ground.

We are the slowest suit, with the largest hit box, with an average EHP attainable by Logi suits, and we get to sacrifice our equipment slots to use a whole bunch of **** that doesn't even exist yet.

Kudos to you CCP, keep adding more fuckin rifles to the game.

Plasma Cannon+Nova Knives Gallente Scout?

Yes, I have. And there are people who troll with those things. It's called a HEAVY machine gun. Of course, it's not gonna be easy to use. Big guns never really are, no matter how unrealistic the developers make them.

eHP means nothing when there's medium suits that can tank 1000+ eHP and have FAR better mobility + equipment slots

What? Being a Heavy is awesome.

We have 2 weapons in the game.

We have a Heavy Grenade slot with no Heavy Grenades in the game.

We have a suit with a bonus for a gun that doesn't exist, and a bonus that is simply laughable.

For like an entire year, one of the two guns had hit detection issues.

After they fixed the hit detection issue for the one gun, they nerfed the other gun into the ground.

We are the slowest suit, with the largest hit box, with an average EHP attainable by Logi suits, and we get to sacrifice our equipment slots to use a whole bunch of **** that doesn't even exist yet.

Kudos to you CCP, keep adding more fuckin rifles to the game.

Heavy does not mean difficult to use. It means heavier than light. As in, deals heavier fire power. Not heavy as in "holy **** i can't lift this thing".

you make it sound like i care about the AR which i dont. when i started dust i was a real good sniper and a mediocre shotguner, being a heavy was next but i decided to go AR. i am probably the worst person you can tell that i care about something. If its such an easy weapon will you ever get 40 kills in a pc with it? pretty sure not

The only place in PC where the HMG is viable is in the city maps but then it lags so bad I die anyways.

I would think leaving the HMG as is and adding a suppression effect would be good IF it can hit multiple targets within its cone. This would be a different philosophy from the "mobile wall" concept I proposed earlier in the thread, and makes the heavy more important for crowd control. Only marginally better for point defense, though: using basic flanking, a pair could still eliminate a heavy pretty quickly.

I think this behavior might be better for a scrambler heavy weapon, though. Crowd control seems like something the Amarr would be into (you wouldn't want to kill valuable slaves if you could incapacitate them). It would be a slow way to kill 1v1, but team vs. team would make a huge difference.

Which goes back to the OP: When do we get more heavy weapons? And do they have interesting characteristics consistent with a philosophy, or are they just more ways to apply simple damage?