What's the point of defense or "suppression" if the targets don't die? They can still spam you with nades. You can't defend an objective if you're scaring people. Only so far suppression goes, and personally, I think an HMG is suppose to KILL!

IT'S A HEAVY MACHINE GUN SHOOTING TO KILL!

It's not a heavy suppression gun.

As people mentioned here and elsewhere, the game is balanced around stuff that's not in the game. So they balanced the HMG to suit this, and here we are today. Using a crappy gun that tickles people to death, and have a suit with a bonus for a weapon THAT'S NOT IN THE GAME. Like... what kind of logic was this?

"Hey guys, we're giving you a suit that has a bonus for laser based weapons. Now go forth!"

CCP Dev: "Little do they know, there's no heavy weapon that makes use of this bonus...THEY'LL NEVER FIGURE THIS OUT! hahahaha! I got you guys good! Get trolled!"

$5 says the combat rifle (which is supposed to be an upgrade of the SMG) out performs HMG in almost every regard.

Thanks guys, I mean the Assault SMG variant already was teetering on the fence and its a sidearm, if the "light" variant is better at all it will outclass the heavy weapon no problem.

CCP = Trolling Level 5 with Prof 5. I've been saying it for a while. They key is to not care about new gear until it is released then only put one level into it and only use it on cheap suits. Determine for yourself that it is either OP or UP and if you like using it. If it is UP then use it for fun and if it is OP then get ready to be nerfed. If you like it keep using it.

I do understand why medium suits and rifles are the first things out but some love for the fat girls would be fun also. I don't push heavy suits but we need players not rifles. Putting suits and non light weapons into the game should be on the front burner along with vehicles. CCP we need players to come back to the game and stay and my suggestion is for you to put vehicles and heavy suits/weapons out soon. Not TM, like now.

It is good to see you fired up some more Lance. I thought we lost you for a while.

Problem is that it doesn't work in PC. It essentially makes you a stationary target, and most of the incoming shots will hit your head which kills you that much faster.

When everybody is using proto they have too much HP to kill effectively with that tactic. But their accuracy is absolutely perfect, and they get the ability to strafe to dodge your shots. You will get dropped instantly.

The only place in PC where the HMG is viable is in the city maps but then it lags so bad I die anyways.

I base my estimation of the effectiveness of the HMG vs an Assault Rifle on those instances where I had the little dot at the center of the aiming circle placed squarely on their chest or head, and they still gunned me down without moving or strafing.

As far as I can tell the HMG has the advantage at 5m but by the time you get to 10m the AR does more damage. This is different when crouched, but then when crouched the heavy is a sitting duck.

I don't base my comparison between the HMG and the AR on situations where I miss. And yes, there are plenty of those situations. It is those few situations when I had the clear advantage, had the shot lined up, and still died, that I base my evaluation on.

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

Why should anyone care about heavies, they're lazy, fat, arrogant assholes. They are worse then the slayer kids, they don't do anything for anyone else, their fat asses eat up all the nanohives, and they hog the armor reps.

**** you heavies, **** you

so be a stationary target with a bigger hitbox in a shooter where Duvolles with aim assist and triple dmg mods can hit you at 100m?

sounds legit.

im a scout and this 'ur doing it wrong' in regards to other classes needs to stop. Heavies and Scouts need your attention not your jokes.

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

I have been practicing my heavy in anticipation of my Gallente heavy soontm.

I love the idea of an armored beast with an HMG so I began skilling slowly into it but it was going terribly for weeks. Going head to head with mediums at optimum (that I thought) ranges for me, had me losing half of the time, or more.

I did not like it and did not understand how to make it work, blaming my lack of specilaization or general UP of the heavy, and cursing the gods.

But then I had an eye opening moment, seing the Dark cloud come into a random pub and go 24/0 in a heavy/hmg, in the midst of the firefight the whole time, something I had just thought not possible.


So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.


It's a weird crutch (I am used to it from my old AQ2 days), and I don't think the heavy is by no means perfect as it is, but tactical crouching with the hmg literally melts faces like no other weapon I have used (except for OHK's)

Thanks to Dev for sharing and being engaged in community discussion. Having said this... Why does a dev not know about limitations of a weapon. Why do you have to play long and hard to see what works and what does not and if it does how it works in a game that you built? I am not trolling in the least - this is truly a very important question. Why do you guys have to go through some strange round about ways to know which things are not working right?

So I struggled on.

And then I crouched.

And the angels sang.

Not to slight accountants in any way, but I really am not, I'm an engineer

I work closely with the Dust team, so even not actively developing, can (sometimes) influence what is developed.

To address some of the questions.

I don't think I said the heavy was PC competitive, if you read my comment, I said it could be used situationally, and not everyone knows about the crouching, I think it's been kept a little secret in the community. I don't think I ever advocated crouching constantly out in the open all the time.

We are increasing the effective ehp by 20% in 1.6 which will help.

On the forums, I am sharing my thoughts as a player, and also to get feedback and discussions, about things that interest me as a player or playstyles that I am not personally familiar with

We absolutely try to source information from the CPM, forums, internal metrics and logs, and of course, our own experience. All these play a part in the decision making process.
So let's keep the feedback positive and detailed, many posts in this thread are superb in that aspect, and have certainly helped me understand the heavy's concerns better.

not everyone knows about the crouching, I think it's been kept a little secret in the community.

On the forums, I am sharing my thoughts as a player, and also to get feedback and discussions, about things that interest me as a player or playstyles that I am not personally familiar with

The community wants a new vote on CPM honestly.

We are increasing the effective ehp by 20% in 1.6 which will help.

Not to slight accountants in any way, but I really am not, I'm an engineer

I work closely with the Dust team, so even not actively developing, can (sometimes) influence what is developed.

To address some of the questions.

I don't think I said the heavy was PC competitive, if you read my comment, I said it could be used situationally, and not everyone knows about the crouching, I think it's been kept a little secret in the community. I don't think I ever advocated crouching constantly out in the open all the time.

We are increasing the effective ehp by 20% in 1.6 which will help.

On the forums, I am sharing my thoughts as a player, and also to get feedback and discussions, about things that interest me as a player or playstyles that I am not personally familiar with

We absolutely try to source information from the CPM, forums, internal metrics and logs, and of course, our own experience. All these play a part in the decision making process.

So let's keep the feedback positive and detailed, many posts in this thread are superb in that aspect, and have certainly helped me understand the heavy's concerns better.

Not to slight accountants in any way, but I really am not, I'm an engineer

I work closely with the Dust team, so even not actively developing, can (sometimes) influence what is developed.

To address some of the questions.

I don't think I said the heavy was PC competitive, if you read my comment, I said it could be used situationally, and not everyone knows about the crouching, I think it's been kept a little secret in the community. I don't think I ever advocated crouching constantly out in the open all the time.

We are increasing the effective ehp by 20% in 1.6 which will help.

On the forums, I am sharing my thoughts as a player, and also to get feedback and discussions, about things that interest me as a player or playstyles that I am not personally familiar with

We absolutely try to source information from the CPM, forums, internal metrics and logs, and of course, our own experience. All these play a part in the decision making process.

So let's keep the feedback positive and detailed, many posts in this thread are superb in that aspect, and have certainly helped me understand the heavy's concerns better.

Until the HMG gets a buff, the class will be a waste of time to use. Honestly. Just stop with trying to make the suit better. Heavies want to kill, and in 1v1 situations vs an assault player, 20% more base eHP does nothing.

Don't forget about the repair tool love. G¥ñ

This will also help the fatties, if used as a fatty loggy pairing.