LOL

CCP doesn't know what they want half the time ... how you can claim to know just makes me laugh !

AV does require pretty much no skill but that isn't my fault. If it was my choice I would have an RPG style AV weapon instead of swarms but of course the only AV weapon that's kind of like that is the most underpowered weapon this game has (Plasma Cannon).

1. No downside are you high. The only defense I have is a fking SMG with a 15m optimal range. Any AR user can kill me with little to no effort

2. 500k SP investment? You must be forgetting that to be effective at AV you first have to have at least advanced suits, complex damage mods, shield and/or armor modules so you don't die instantly, and have at least advanced swarms (Standard ones are shit

3. You guys can redline snipe why can't we redline AV?

I know it's been said that they want vehicle vs vehicle combat, I'm not in the mood to go hunting though.

Just saying that AV is too strong and only very delusional players think otherwise. If people wanted balance they would want vehicles to be built around fighting vehicles, that way they don't **** infantry and infantry don't **** them, and everyone has a more even gaming experience.

But no, people want to park on towers and feel like Zeus.

Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"

Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.

Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.

So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.

Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.

These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.

And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!

DUST is trying to combine the 2 into balanced gameplay for everyone, that means HAVs that can't sit there annihilating infantry, infantry that can't instakill vehicles, and AV that doesn't completely gimp infantry against infantry. Not an easy balance to achieve, but they're working on a new model for it ... wait and see how it works.

Arn't you that bad tanker that I killed twice with my assault dropship? Yes you are...... who jumps out their tank to fire swarms at a dropship... lolz

That is pathetic, no true tanker would do that. Have some respect for your machine Atiim.

1. No downside are you high. The only defense I have is a fking SMG with a 15m optimal range. Any AR user can kill me with little to no effort

2. 500k SP investment? You must be forgetting that to be effective at AV you first have to have at least advanced suits, complex damage mods, shield and/or armor modules so you don't die instantly, and have at least advanced swarms (Standard ones are shit

3. You guys can redline snipe why can't we redline AV?

1.) Hardly. Your argument lacks substance on this one. That's like saying. I use and ScR, but and AR user can kill me at any time. I use an HMG, but an AR user can kill me at any time. But what you not taking into account are the benefits of infantry vs a vehicle, in your case the capacity to easily traverse complex terrain features and make use of the hard cover it provides.

2.) Yup but do your dropsuits at standard level cost 200K ISK a pop, do your turrets or weapons cost you 500K Isk to be effective. No it does not. You can field 5-10 suits against one tank that I can field.

3.) Redline snipers are ******* cowards and should not be able to shoot in the Red Line. End of.

And the bad thing is, its on video True Adamance, if you want to see it, go to CEOPyrex's channel and watch kicking dust 2.57, after he jumped out we killed him and blew up his unattended tank, we costed him some good isk :)

You got Atiim?

Props to you!

Please correct me If I am wrong, but I am seeing a majority of players who complain about AV hate swarms, and don't get me wrong they really are kind of a stupid weapon, but if this is the case then this discussion is going All wrong.

If forge guns are deemed acceptable or at least not "game breaking" and AV mades are fine, then why don't we talk about only the crux of the issue. Swarms suck, they take no skill to deal a huge chunk of damage.

Decrease damage rate and level of target tracking, increase clip size and ammo count. Is this not a solution?

1. Ok so since I can navigate better then you that instantly makes my argument invalid even though I have pretty much no defense against other infantry. At least you can kill both infantry and vehicles while I'm limited to one or the other unless I want to get a heavy suit just for a forge gun in which then my navigation abilities are limited by quite a bit. Lets see you try and defend yourself from an hmg, AR, ScR, shotgun, or really any primary weapon. Hell even the plasma cannon has a slight advantage over the SMG thanks to the range you can shoot people from with that thing.

2. No but my standard dropsuits die about 10 times faster then your tank does so yea (Also it's not like infantry AV use standard gear. The lowest tier gear you'll see any infantry AV use is advanced gear which still dies 6 times faster then your tank).

3. I agree with you on this one (For both tanks and infantry)

Sarcasm? :/ can't tell, otherwise thank you. Got him twice.

Will agree somewhat it 1 and 3. But 2 is a big ******* no.

One 1 It means you can make use of internal, or vertical coiver both are things tanks cannot deal with, that inherently give you a very distinct advantage. You under estimate the SMG greatly. Though you do as as previous poster mentioned skill into the infantry tree with AV being a sub class. HAV are a full class, we have no other options like you guys do, who can turn around and pull a GEK at the drop of a hat.

Most tankers are just bad players who cant shoot a weapon so decided to play tankemsmashem. The few good players who skilled into tanks make them work and are successful and profitable. they utilize teamwork and communication every match they bring in a tank, avoid scenarios on the battlefield that would put them at a disadvantage, and they play within their means.

The rest of the tankers come on the forums and cry, or they are broke.

Forge gunning from the tower is awesome, worth while, and gives me lots of kills, war points, isk, and helps my team win.

What game are you playing? lol

You sound like you know **** all about tankers. The best are on here telling people about how AV is ridiculous. I have met 3 people who could utterly best me in HAV combat.

One is ST Evilsbitch, one is Void Echo, the other is some Samurai guy.

Everyone else has exchanged tanks in combat with me.

I don't fear to fight tanks, the one thing I have to is the ******* **** with Swarms or forges sitting on a hill outside my render range the terrifies me, and that is the one weapon AVers have on us that we cannot get over.

Makes fun of bad players

Admits to using low skill high reward tactics

Its ironic, isnt it! lol

Dont hate the player, hate the game son.

The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!)