Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, proficiency 3 right now

I would also use Lai Dai AV nades but proto grenades are impossible to fit on a heavy without gimping the rest of your fit, or so I find. I could just be doing it wrong.

Please correct me If I am wrong, but I am seeing a majority of players who complain about AV hate swarms, and don't get me wrong they really are kind of a stupid weapon, but if this is the case then this discussion is going All wrong.

If forge guns are deemed acceptable or at least not "game breaking" and AV mades are fine, then why don't we talk about only the crux of the issue. Swarms suck, they take no skill to deal a huge chunk of damage.

Decrease damage to 280 or 260, increase lock time, decrease clip size to 2 and ammo count and make it so swarms and forge guns dont get ammo at nanohives then block off towers. Is this not a solution for the best counter to a tank should be a tank?

Well I don't fit proto grenades because I like my advanced nanohives.....

Both AV nades and Forge guns are also far too strong.

Lai Dai = Die

Ishukone = God Gun

what protoav do you use?

lai dias should have a max 800 dmg and pro AFG max8-900 impact or lower, pro breach should be 1500 with charge time cut a little

''Why Making Good AV Require Teamwork is A Bad Idea?''

IF tanks can solo , AV should be able to solo.

If AV needs team work, Make tanks Equally Teamwork dependant.

= Balance

/End thread

No no it does. Every AVer in that equation is self sufficient and can work together without even need to use team chat.

If you mean to say a tank needs, a driver, gunner, and moduler to be useful not only do you kill any sense of vehicle balance you kill driving vehicles as a whole. Why do infantry not understand this. Your game would be so boring, not to mention dead without the 500 or more vehicle users in this game.

I mean I'd head straight for battlefield and never look back.

Congratulations you would all have your CoD514.

No a Tanker Should be able to efficiently drive his tank solo, hell he could even choose to remove the small turrets and run it alone,but it shouldnt be very effective , same as 1 single AV is not very effective vs a good tanker.

Now as I see it, tankers feel they should be able to solo whole games since their tanks are expensive.
IMO You are just wearing a 6000HP + Dropssuit that is immune to all but 4 weapons and moves fast.

We've had this discussion 10000000000000000 times. like srsly ,wait for the changes then we can whine and rant....

No a Tanker Should be able to efficiently drive his tank solo, hell he could even choose to remove the small turrets and run it alone,but it shouldnt be very effective , same as 1 single AV is not very effective vs a good tanker.

Now as I see it, tankers feel they should be able to solo whole games since their tanks are expensive.
IMO You are just wearing a 6000HP + Dropssuit that is immune to all but 4 weapons and moves fast.

We've had this discussion 10000000000000000 times. like srsly ,wait for the changes then we can whine and rant....

AV is supposed to be buffer damage to assist your allied armor in taking out enemy tanks.

Sorry that you want to camp on a tower spamming the right trigger thinking you're good.

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well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything..

and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want.

''Why Making Good AV Require Teamwork is A Bad Idea?''

IF tanks can solo , AV should be able to solo.

If AV needs team work, Make tanks Equally Teamwork dependant.

= Balance

/End thread

well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything..

and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want.

Yes that is a big ISK difference. But you know this before buying the vehicle. Nobody is making you run tanks every match, thats is your decision. IMO you are just buying a 4th Tier Dropsuit. Thats all, and for balance sake even if it cost x10 a Tier 3 dropsuit (proto) still shouldnt give you the right to solo matches.

The SP part is totall BULLCRAP and tankers know this,need to stop using that as an excuse , i have over 13mill on my AV fittings. The Suit,Skills,Passive skills, Proficiency,Rapid reload ,Sidearm Equipment,etc....

And lastly ..'even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want''
LOL THATS what YOU want, be able to solo games without teamwork, dont push that onto me, im saying everything uses teamwork, or it doesnt.

NOT YOUR: ''Yeah tanks can solo BUT you will need 2-4 PROTO AVs to take me down LOLOLO>...''

NO.

why is this not call of duty I have to think here, why do I need to think? why is the tank not the god particle!!!

Yes that is a big ISK difference. But you know this before buying the vehicle. Nobody is making you run tanks every match, thats is your decision. IMO you are just buying a 4th Tier Dropsuit. Thats all, and for balance sake even if it cost x10 a Tier 3 dropsuit (proto) still shouldnt give you the right to solo matches.
Its like me running PRoto every match and complaining a single STARTER fit dropped me with MLT Grenades.LOL

The SP part is totall BULLCRAP and tankers know this,need to stop using that as an excuse , i have over 13mill on my AV fittings. The Suit,Skills,Passive skills, Proficiency,Rapid reload ,Sidearm Equipment,etc....

And lastly ..'even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want''
LOL THATS what YOU want, be able to solo games without teamwork, dont push that onto me, im saying everything uses teamwork, or it doesnt.

NOT YOUR: ''Yeah tanks can solo BUT you will need 2-4 PROTO AVs to take me down LOLOLO>...''

NO.

im always giving you people real balance, yet you come round and blow it all away because you want call of duty.

You are one of the most Biased Tankers i've ever met, not as much as SPRK4whateves...but still, your ''balance'' is one sighted.

So its not balance.

You are one of the most Biased Tankers i've ever met, not as much as SPRK4whateves...but still, your ''balance'' is one sighted.

So its not balance.

and you are biased as well "if a 50 ton machine half the size of a building can solo, so can a dropsuit the size of a forge gun". that's biased

I'll just say it one more time.

Tank or no tank, Proto or MLT.

If you can Solo playing as a tanker; then you should be able to solo said tanker if you have equally tier'd equipment.




Why because this is for balance sake, even if you spent 50 milion sp and 500 billions in tanks, if you get in a game ALONE, then ALONE you should be able to die....

It might sound biased,but its for the sake of balance.

I say the same thing to you.

If we think of it a it SHOULD be, you 50 ton machine should take a lot of fire and survive, but as it is we dont have enough players per game to support powerful vehicles like this.

Example: If i need 2-3 guys to kill a tank, then what happens when void, adamance,TheLegend,Godin, SPRK4 etc..get all in a match and deploy 5-6 tanks in a 12 vs 12 match?

INBALANCE.thats what we have....

You tank with me King you know there is not balance, HAV needs buffs or AV needs nerfs.

I can be using Team work all match, what do I get for it. A downed maddy that made me run negative while, you,Aero, Lea, and the rest all make some ISK. I can down and assist 15 Tanks like I did the other night, still all 4 of the matches and 15 HAV downed for my one lost tank barely covered that HAV I did lose.

Most of the time I was running from Swarmers which magically attune to my location even after swinging right out past me around buildings.

I'll just say it one more time.

Tank or no tank, Proto or MLT.

If you can Solo playing as a tanker; then you should be able to solo said tanker if you have equally tier'd equipment.




Why because this is for balance sake, even if you spent 50 milion sp and 500 billions in tanks, if you get in a game ALONE, then ALONE you should be able to die....

This Is BS, not balance. In EVE you can kill Battleship with Frig, yes it is possible but only if BS-guy gone make a lot of mistakes.