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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1976
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:10:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
your making yourself look to stupid to do more than one thing, if 6 avers are on the field, and 6 tankers, then 3 of them would each have their own tank to destroy, and if theres 3 avrs on the field, those 3 avrs would destroy all the tanks in the battle... seriously, your amiability to multitask is pathetic.
Ok echo, i forgot you are a VERY slow dude here i go again: GÖª If 2 Guys are needed to take down ONE tank. GÖª The 6 Avers and 6 Tankers have lets say 15 Mill SP, and are EQUALLY skilled, there by PERFECT matchmaking. GÖª We put the 6 AVers and The 6 TAnks in a 300mts completley PLAIN terrain. GÖª The 6 Tankers will win, 100% of the time. GÖª Because to take out the 6 tankers you would need 12 AVers; 6 Avers will only take down 3 and th *sigh* AGAIN it wouldn't take 12 av'rs, stupid, 3 av on 1 tank each as in 3 guy are av, all fire on 1 tank, boom move on do the same for all tanks, if you fail to comprehend that you are ********.
You fail to comprehend how fast a tank can take down infantry. You are assuming the AVers are shooting at tanks that stand still without shooting... talk about stupid lol.... |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1201
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
your making yourself look to stupid to do more than one thing, if 6 avers are on the field, and 6 tankers, then 3 of them would each have their own tank to destroy, and if theres 3 avrs on the field, those 3 avrs would destroy all the tanks in the battle... seriously, your amiability to multitask is pathetic.
Ok echo, i forgot you are a VERY slow dude here i go again: GÖª If 2 Guys are needed to take down ONE tank. 3 guys would be balance..GÖª The 6 Avers and 6 Tankers have lets say 15 Mill SP, and are EQUALLY skilled, there by PERFECT matchmaking. then the avers would decimate the tankers before they got halfway through the map. GÖª We put the 6 AVers and The 6 TAnks in a 300mts completley PLAIN terrain. avers would win in less than a minute.GÖª The 6 Tankers will win, 100% of the time. lol no we wouldn't win, with the efficiency of av vs tanks, if the av is standing completely still and doing nothing, then we would win.GÖª Because to take out the 6 tankers you would need 12 AVers; 6 Avers will only take down 3 and then get outdamaged by the other 3 tanks. in order to take out one tank you would need 3 avers, so IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE TANK ON THE FIELD, THOSE 3 GUYS WOULD BE ALL YOU NEED TO DESTROY THE TANKS.I understand where you are coming from with your little re7arded explanation, but im assuming the avers are actually doing something more than standing still. DUh.... im talking in the case tank get a buff, Av an nerf an 2+ Avers are needed to take down 1 single tank, yall of your answers are assuming everything stay as it is, except the fist one : ''3 guys would be balance..'' which confirmes you are a demented biased tanker.
And you are Lueko #2. Make my tanks cost less than 200k for a REALLY good one and ill agree with you. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1976
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1976
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:15:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:
And you are Lueko #2. Make my tanks cost less than 200k for a REALLY good one and ill agree with you.
i have proposed this, tankers refused. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3468
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. If he is on a roof? |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1977
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. If he is on a roof?
EXACTLY ADAMANCE you got it! ITS MAP dependant, you wont be able to shoot him! same as me as an AVer wont be able to kill a tank if is a map with lots of cover or a really big one where they can just run away for repairs everytime im reloading my AV weapon.
same page again.... |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
REAPERS REPUBLIC
72
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. reply to your post above. you are THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THESE FORUMS. 1. infrantry can use cover and fire swarms over without risk. 2. tower camping 3. a hill 4. distraction 5. tank isn't looking i can keep going on.....if you reply saying "herp derp av standing still" or "if you cant kill them in cover you deserve to die" i will probably make a thread how ******** you are |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9594
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:24:00 -
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There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3471
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:24:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. reply to your post above. you are THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THESE FORUMS. 1. infrantry can use cover and fire swarms over without risk. 2. tower camping 3. a hill 4. distraction 5. tank isn't looking i can keep going on.....if you reply saying "herp derp av standing still" or "if you cant kill them in cover you deserve to die" i will probably make a thread how ******** you are Yeah but 5 is really the tankers own damn fault. So is 4. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1977
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:25:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. reply to your post above. you are THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THESE FORUMS. 1. infrantry can use cover and fire swarms over without risk. 2. tower camping 3. a hill 4. distraction 5. tank isn't looking i can keep going on.....if you reply saying "herp derp av standing still" or "if you cant kill them in cover you deserve to die" i will probably make a thread how ******** you are
Ok bro, like maps like Line Harvest dont make tanks unkillable LOL. Whateves, you keep whining ,i seriously hope CCP knows what they are doing wile balancing tanks, but im sure that even if correcly made you will just keep QQing. im done trying to reason with you.... |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3471
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill.
Surya was a good start. At proto level tanks need to be tough to kill. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1342
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! This post is so one sided.
-With 5 Tanks on the field they have 5 less infantry to take Objectives. Most objectives can be defended against Infantry without exposing yourself to a Tank, although having a tank there makes it a real pain.
-If it takes 3 guys to kill a tank, the same 3 guys can kill the next tank, and then the next. The other 3 guys should be keeping the infantry off your back. By the time you get the third tank they will be recalling the other two.
-Militia Swarm Launchers will still suck, but they are free and everyone has them, so it would not be unusual to see 4 blueberries with militia swarms and some dude on a turret.
-The 3 AV to kill a Tank idea applies to properly tanked tanks. Glass Cannons, and half-ass fits will still fall to a single Proto Swarm Launcher.
Fox Guide: Swarm Launcher, Unleashing the Swarm
____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1977
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill.
Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6299
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Hard to kill but easy to disable. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1978
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:28:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Hard to kill but easy to disable.
ANd earn WP for disabled vehicles.... |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
REAPERS REPUBLIC
72
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:29:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. reply to your post above. you are THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THESE FORUMS. 1. infrantry can use cover and fire swarms over without risk. 2. tower camping 3. a hill 4. distraction 5. tank isn't looking i can keep going on.....if you reply saying "herp derp av standing still" or "if you cant kill them in cover you deserve to die" i will probably make a thread how ******** you are Ok b.. "GÖªBecause to take out the 6 tankers you would need 12 AVers" not even, no talking to you at all av QQ'r You fail to comprehend how fast a tank can take down infantry. You are assuming the AVers are shooting at tanks that stand still without shooting... talk about stupid, like YOU, roofs towers cover hill invisible swarms, GTFO kid. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... I do. But that was a golden time when I was a young Aver hunting down great monsters. Back then it was an accomplishment to AV well, not something every joker out there could do.
I do want Chromo Tanks back, as our proto type HAV. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
271
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Attim I was starting to like you.... then this....
Auto Locking double DPS weapons that are fire and forget do not deserve to be, nor should have the capability to solo HAV. We need to reach a point of balance where players actually want to deploy tanks to the map, this way we get the fights that we see in trailers.....
However as you and many others would have it. AV dominates the map with no downsides nor need to leave the red line granting free 150 + 50 WP at regular intervals for doing nothing.
Your 500K SP, and 300K ISK investment is denying dynamic gameplay and destroying 10+ Million SP, and destroying 1-2 Million SP vehicles with too much ease.
Swarm Lock time needs an increase, fire rate needs to remain the same, with swarms not making 180- degree turns and able to be unlocked by terrain and such. It's sad when you've earned the respect of someone that you've sworn to kill over and over again. It's even sadder when s/he has earned your respect as well.
Anyways "fire and forget". Yes, but swarms are only "fire and forget" when they are in the perfect situation that I listed here. And I kinda forgot to bold some text that you should read again.
Reading comprehension: 6.2 (Rusty) |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1978
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... I do. But that was a golden time when I was a young Aver hunting down great monsters. Back then it was an accomplishment to AV well, not something every joker out there could do. I do want Chromo Tanks back, as our proto type HAV.
Yeah,but thats the problem, you guys want Chromo tanks back...PLUS AV nerf. Then please enlighten me on how exactly are we supposed to take down tanks then.
@ jerrmy12 kahoalii You have balls to call ME kid while being a no one. Balls,but no brains....
Map dependant means that there are maps that benefit AV and maps that benefit Tanks and other vehicles. AS well as i can take down tanks in the 3 OBJ map, tanks can ravage through almost impune in Line Harvest. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
REAPERS REPUBLIC
72
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?
If he is STANDING, shoot at him. reply to your post above. you are THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON THESE FORUMS. 1. infrantry can use cover and fire swarms over without risk. 2. tower camping 3. a hill 4. distraction 5. tank isn't looking i can keep going on.....if you reply saying "herp derp av standing still" or "if you cant kill them in cover you deserve to die" i will probably make a thread how ******** you are Yeah but 5 is really the tankers own damn fault. So is 4. invisible swarms, plus av is so powerful if he doesn't know av location he will probably die |
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
REAPERS REPUBLIC
72
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. remove/nerf pro av |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
273
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:47:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! This post is so one sided. -With 5 Tanks on the field they have 5 less infantry to take Objectives. Most objectives can be defended against Infantry without exposing yourself to a Tank, although having a tank there makes it a real pain. -If it takes 3 guys to kill a tank, the same 3 guys can kill the next tank, and then the next. The other 3 guys should be keeping the infantry off your back. By the time you get the third tank they will be recalling the other two. -Militia Swarm Launchers will still suck, but they are free and everyone has them, so it would not be unusual to see 4 blueberries with militia swarms and some dude on a turret. -The 3 AV to kill a Tank idea applies to properly tanked tanks. Glass Cannons, and half-ass fits will still fall to a single Proto Swarm Launcher. Fox Guide: Swarm Launcher, Unleashing the Swarm____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
1.) Wow 5 people in a match won't make a difference when they can help clear objectives (unless it is an indoor map). And if the objectives are outdoor then yeah... What was your argument again?
2.) That is assuming that the other 4 tanks don't kill the people going AV. And if all else fails, then you can still rely on the infantry to take out the people using AV.
3.) Yeah MLT Swarm Launchers suck. But there are some loltankers who think that MLT AV can OHKO a dedicated player's tank.
4.) 3 AV to kill a good tank doesn't matter because a bad tank will die easily. Yeah well that assumes that well fitted tanks are rare, and If this is a TANK SQUAD, then they are gonna have good Tank fits. What was your argument again? No actually I don't even want to know what your argument was there. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1978
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:48:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. remove/nerf pro av
Nerf Whiny tankers |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
274
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... I do. But that was a golden time when I was a young Aver hunting down great monsters. Back then it was an accomplishment to AV well, not something every joker out there could do. I do want Chromo Tanks back, as our proto type HAV. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!
You want chromo tanks back, AND AN AV NERF!!
Thanks for proving my point in the OP, you loltankers do want to stomp with no AV resistance.
Then again Amarr are incapable of good reasoning. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
274
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:54:00 -
[175] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... Exactly, I don't want tanks to be paper, but these guys are crazy. They want an AV nerf and a Tank buff at the same time!
And their teamwork model Idea is evil! |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
274
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:55:00 -
[176] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Surya was a good start. At proto level tanks need to be tough to kill. At proto level AV should be hard to not be killed by. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6303
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. remove/nerf pro av Nerf Whiny tankers Think of it this way: Try fighting against a duvolle in a militia/standard suit. That's what's been going on with tanks and AV- proto tanks don't exist. Enforcers don't count since they're basically a militia tank with an extra slot. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
275
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Posted - 2013.10.22 00:59:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"
Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.
Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.
So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.
But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.
That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.
Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.
These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.
And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! Double standards blaring in the face, infantry doesn't have to use teamwork to destroy tanks, but tankers have to use teamwork to stay alive. Stop lying, you're not a tanker, go back to Call of Duty. In 2hrs i'll be on and I'll show you my tank if your available. I mailed you last time asking if you wanted a look and you said that you had 3 back to back PCs, so I decided not to bother you.
Go back to COD? You clearly haven't heard my COD514 jokes. But anyways who the F*** wants to play COD? If I wanted to play COD then I'd beat myself with a stick. The pain would give me more excitement. |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:01:00 -
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The usual stuff - 'tankers' wont say how much they want to pwn - they will just complain about what stops them pwn'ing in particular ways...oh, which just coincidentally helps them pwn more and more - and they wont stop complaining ever, so really it's just a desire to auto win if you can call a tank.
Exactly how much power do tankers, on average, want?
For some of them, they are too ashamed to admit what they want for what it'll look like. So they complain about little things that stop them from pwn'ing. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1981
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:02:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: Think of it this way: Try fighting against a duvolle in a militia/standard suit. That's what's been going on with tanks and AV- proto tanks don't exist. Enforcers don't count since they're basically a militia tank with an extra slot.
I see where you are coming from: Tanks do need a buff, thats not in discussion here.
BTW bad example, My Cal BPO runs 640 HP and an Exile. An i can do with Duvolle user with this,VERY often too..... XD |
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