AV is supposed to be buffer damage to assist your allied armor in taking out enemy tanks.

Sorry that you want to camp on a tower spamming the right trigger thinking you're good.

Attim I was starting to like you.... then this....

Auto Locking double DPS weapons that are fire and forget do not deserve to be, nor should have the capability to solo HAV. We need to reach a point of balance where players actually want to deploy tanks to the map, this way we get the fights that we see in trailers.....

However as you and many others would have it. AV dominates the map with no downsides nor need to leave the red line granting free 150 + 50 WP at regular intervals for doing nothing.

Your 500K SP, and 300K ISK investment is denying dynamic gameplay and destroying 10+ Million SP, and destroying 1-2 Million SP vehicles with too much ease.

Swarm Lock time needs an increase, fire rate needs to remain the same, with swarms not making 180- degree turns and able to be unlocked by terrain and such.

Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"

Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.

Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.

So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.

Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.

These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.

And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!

1.) Hardly. Your argument lacks substance on this one. That's like saying. I use and ScR, but and AR user can kill me at any time. I use an HMG, but an AR user can kill me at any time. But what you not taking into account are the benefits of infantry vs a vehicle, in your case the capacity to easily traverse complex terrain features and make use of the hard cover it provides.

2.) Yup but do your dropsuits at standard level cost 200K ISK a pop, do your turrets or weapons cost you 500K Isk to be effective. No it does not. You can field 5-10 suits against one tank that I can field.

3.) Redline snipers are ******* cowards and should not be able to shoot in the Red Line. End of.

You got Atiim?

Props to you!

You sound like you know **** all about tankers. The best are on here telling people about how AV is ridiculous. I have met 3 people who could utterly best me in HAV combat.

One is ST Evilsbitch, one is Void Echo, the other is some Samurai guy.

Everyone else has exchanged tanks in combat with me.

I don't fear to fight tanks, the one thing I have to is the ******* **** with Swarms or forges sitting on a hill outside my render range the terrifies me, and that is the one weapon AVers have on us that we cannot get over.

The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!)

Should be team work on both sides of the equation.

Teamwork to kill a tank.

Teamwork to make a tank effective.

No team = Useless tank

Wonder what would happen if you gave infantry the anti-missile flare launcher and the bubble shield strong enough to deflect forge gun shots, smoke rounds, infantry having the only ability to resupply vehicles, and rebooting their repair systems?

No team the tank becomes an expensive gun on wheels.

However the tank must become far more capable of supporting its host as well. Extra transport spots, deployable bunker walls, sensors, structure removal like blowing up a gate or taking out heavily armored turrets that are self repairing.

Long range artillery tank? Have spotters and guide the shots in.
Pesky aircraft? Have laser designators to guide missiles in.
Need to short range fire fight, have infantry help pump the coolant to the blasters to keep them from overheating and lowering their overheat seizing.

We need more interplay overall. A first start would be having passengers able to fire in a non turret seat. making non turret seats on specialist vehicles meaningful (logi turret) (ewar manager) Mine layers and EOD infantry. The list can go on and on.

No no it does. Every AVer in that equation is self sufficient and can work together without even need to use team chat.

If you mean to say a tank needs, a driver, gunner, and moduler to be useful not only do you kill any sense of vehicle balance you kill driving vehicles as a whole. Why do infantry not understand this. Your game would be so boring, not to mention dead without the 500 or more vehicle users in this game.

I mean I'd head straight for battlefield and never look back.

Congratulations you would all have your CoD514.

im always giving you people real balance, yet you come round and blow it all away because you want call of duty.

I'll just say it one more time.

Tank or no tank, Proto or MLT.

If you can Solo playing as a tanker; then you should be able to solo said tanker if you have equally tier'd equipment.




Why because this is for balance sake, even if you spent 50 milion sp and 500 billions in tanks, if you get in a game ALONE, then ALONE you should be able to die....

Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb"

Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens.

Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed.

So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them.

But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank.

That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance.

Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod.

These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest.

And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!

that's not imbalance that's just ****** up matchmaking lol.

its not my fault the enemy never bothered to bring out av or didn't bother to skill into it.

if they bring out 3 avrs then those avrs have the ability to destroy us.

do not confuse balance with match making.

Wait you are saying that 5 Dedicated AV specialists could not take down 5 Maddy Tanks?

I'm betting the other way. Were talking 15X Swarm groups in the air in 6 seconds. Stand on Nano's were talking infinite Ammo. Not to mention Lai Dai AV grenades and AV in a building.

Ok echo, i forgot you are a VERY slow dude here i go again:

GÖª If 2 Guys are needed to take down ONE tank.
GÖª The 6 Avers and 6 Tankers have lets say 15 Mill SP, and are EQUALLY skilled, there by PERFECT matchmaking.
GÖª We put the 6 AVers and The 6 TAnks in a 300mts completley PLAIN terrain.
GÖª The 6 Tankers will win, 100% of the time.
GÖª Because to take out the 6 tankers you would need 12 AVers; 6 Avers will only take down 3 and then get outdamaged by the other 3 tanks.

I understand where you are coming from with your little re7arded explanation, but im assuming the Tankers are actually doing something more than standing still. DUh....

Thus tank vs tank becomes more important. Which is a positive thing!!! That's how tanking was in chromosome, minus the overpowered rail factor, tanks had to focus on other tanks because is you let one go unmatched it could do some damage.

How can I stop and Aver standing on his own nano hives?

There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill.

Think of it this way: Try fighting against a duvolle in a militia/standard suit. That's what's been going on with tanks and AV- proto tanks don't exist. Enforcers don't count since they're basically a militia tank with an extra slot.

Right I am seeing horrible reasoning If we make it team work and you guys call in 6 tanks we will need 12 to 16 guys in AV to take them all out.

Actually no you would only need 4 smart AV players to clear the field easily. Yes there might be a little choas right away But truely if we mad it using team work where at least 2 AV needed to take down a tank at decent rate of time. 4 good av guys working together would handle 6 tanks no problem.

You do not run around like chickens with your heads cut off you actually play smart. You set up in a location you know a tank is coming to jump it 1 down. You move as a group behind your team next tank comes to kill them you kill it 2 down. pretty soon you have the tanks down to 1 or 2 with just 4 guys. Yes if you run in throwing AV nades sucidal against 2-3 tanks together expect to die.

Just because something takes teamwork does not mean that if there are more then 1 tank in the game that you need to keep doubling to match with AV. Hell it is even better for AV to have more tanks because that means less infantry to counter while setting up to jump tanks.

Sorry your reasoning is thrown out the window.

One thing I expect is during those 30-45 seconds I am running my modules is to be able to take AV fire and push a little help my team. then retreat to recover before my next push. As a smart tanker I will be thinking and looking out for any traps that might happen as I recover. A smart AV team will work to push as I attack but have a guy set up to catch me on retreat when my modules are down and I am easy pickings.

Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build.

So when we have proto tanks you will not cry OPwhen we shrug off your ishukone forge guns?

During the time I am running my modules I should expect 4-5 guys taking 20 seconds+ to bust my tank. Yes one guy should be able to take me if my pants are down and I am on full cool down but he should be bent over for trying to take me on while I have access to active modules.

If I run a full passive fit I should expect 2 guys take around 20 seconds to drop me 3+ will do quick work.

Remember this is me running full proto and them running full proto.

I do not want to be god but I do expect fo be rewarded for playing smart. And forcing AV players to play just as smart to take me out.

nerf the bitchy infrantry that got tanks nerfed a billion times and av buffed

He isn't joking King when we shoot at you half our shots phase right through you.

Unless they make HAV fittings 4X cheaper its a bad idea for 1,000,000 dollar items to be taken out by one person.