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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
967
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:49:00 -
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Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5777
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:51:00 -
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You're a ****ing idiot! |
jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
38
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:51:00 -
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really another one?! |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
285
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:53:00 -
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Slayers get the glory. Logis get **** on for doing their job. Go figure.... |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2225
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:53:00 -
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Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
502
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:53:00 -
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OMG. ReGnYuM posting about killing.
this hasn't happened in ages.
O_O
STOP THE PRESSES. WE GOT A NEW STORY HERE. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
4072
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:55:00 -
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ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
285
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:55:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults.
I think they should reward kill streaks for sure. |
Beld Errmon
Evocatius
979
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:55:00 -
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AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
967
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't |
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DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:57:00 -
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Join me in bf and kzsf on ps4 wait till dust is on ps4 then it might be good |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
309
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:57:00 -
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I believe more 'slaying' WP are coming in the form of revenge kills / multiples ect. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
967
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:58:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded.
Sorry I keep my Gun loaded and locked. I'm usually winning the game on the front lines and easymode logis are to busy at the back farming WP |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6863
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:59:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Sorry I keep my Gun loaded and locked. I'm usually winning the game on the front lines and easymode logis are to busy at the back farming WP Well everyone knows the only thing that takes even the slightest bit of skill in this game is PC, and if it's PC, you guys should just tell logis to **** off if they aren't important. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5783
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:59:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1439
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:03:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1187
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:06:00 -
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Just kill more. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:06:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
So you're providing what to your team? Kills? Thanks. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:10:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Heavies are under powered |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:12:00 -
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rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:12:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more.
1. I preach it and teach it.
2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st...
3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1115
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:12:00 -
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The logi's have it much harder then the assaults.
Assault- RUN STARIGHT AT THE ENEMIES FAIC AND SPAM R1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Logi- Where the hell can I drop this uplink so it doesn't get insta-poped by WP-hounds...... |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:13:00 -
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Also,
Michael Arck wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
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Caesar Williams
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
41
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:13:00 -
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I agree that there should be more WP that goes towards the slayer role. In game challenges for each suit could help out each role by rewarding them for their style of play. As a support logi seeing forums like this just makes me want to skill into a assault suit since it feels like everyone just wants us gone from the game. We support from behind the lines and get called noobs, useless, spammmers afterwards. Run our suits like assaults on crack and get called out on it because we are not doing our jobs. What do you want from us?[ |
Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
423
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:13:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you and your team kill more and win, right? |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:13:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers.
Too bad roles are not weighted equally space commy. There is reason logistics are called support. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
603
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:14:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
U keep killing and ill keep farming ^__^ |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
642
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:14:00 -
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"However the Slayer/Assault ... is only rewarded for killing."
Because that's all they do. You said it yourself, logis do all of the following:
"Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc"
Thanks for defeating your own argument. Less effort on my part. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:15:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
Well,actually ; Killing with an AR is easier than being a logi IMO.
But i wouldnt mind a little more points for surviving.... |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1561
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:16:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. So you're providing what to your team? Kills? Thanks.
I think he's right about it being out of balance.
If a dude is killing and not dying that's pretty much awesome any way you look at it. This is an FPS. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2836
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Well,actually ; Killing with an AR is easier than being a logi IMO.But i wouldnt mind a little more points for surviving....
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
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Cosgar
ParagonX
5790
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. 1. I preach it and teach it. 2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st... 3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying Then why do you care about logis getting WP? You got your all important stat and we got ours. I'm starting to think you're butthurt just to be butthurt about something. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right?
1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
[34] - Quote
They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). |
8213
Grade No.2
346
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
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News flash: You're not a slayer. You're a selfish killwhore.
Slayers aren't supposed to just rack up kills. They are suppose to kill specific players. They don't get the most kills they get the strategic kills.
Defense kills, defending an objective. Offense kills, clearing out and protecting objective takers. Neutralizing the other teams slayer.
Killwhoring a bunch of Militia noobs accomplishes nothing. Its just selfish K/D buffing, even in Ambush.
In DUST you can go 50-0 and still lose. You may not need a Logo, but you're team as a whole won't win without one. I've gone 30s-0 and had my squad go 100-0 and still lost, because a revived clone means nothing on the scoreboard. |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
[36] - Quote
If you're so worried about kills perhaps you should mosey on along to CoD. Don't forget your helmet and to drool on your chin, however. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers. Too bad roles are not weighted equally space commy. There is reason logistics are called support.
Someone being called support doesn't mean they are unimportant. It means their abilities enhance the group rather than just themselves.
Each role "should" be weighted equally. This game is terribly broken in its current state. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:19:00 -
[38] - Quote
Wait isn't this that guy whose opinions no one cares about because they are so ill informed? |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job.
ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job.
You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win).
Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC?
Anyways heres my question to real PC players
What would you want more in PC team
The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi
I know who I would choose |
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
433
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Except it's not. Logis get next to nothing when you're winning by a landslide, slayers get all the WP. If Logis are getting alot of WP, slayers just need to get better. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1115
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
[42] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. How would you be able to shoot bullets if that True Logi didn't put don that hive?
How would you be not going in the deep red if that logi didn't stick you?
How Would you Be able to Respawn near the Objective if the Logi didn't put the droplink down?
How would you know where to shoot if that logi didn't scan the area for you?
Ah, yes and they all have to be SMART about where these equipments are placed so they aren't popped by any dummy with a flux?
Why does it even bother you if a logi tops the leaderboards? Does it offend your ego? |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
421
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
You might get points too...
...maybe if you weren't using your equipment slot to carry around:
1. Your huge ego 2. Excessive vanity 3. Bucket full of tears
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
[44] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
Nope , using AV is not Equally easy since you have to have into consideration a lot of stuff , like terrain,having height advantage, that the tank doesnt see you , teamwork,etcetc..
Using an AR is just stack 2-3 Cx Damage mods, aim in general direction and hold r1. 50+50+50+50....
I even Dropped a Hurt Dropship with a GEK.LOL
Tankers exagerate and QQ a lot more than necessary, dont try to deny it ;) |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
[45] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Not you because, you'd spend the entire time whining. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Balance is key...
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Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:22:00 -
[47] - Quote
I feel like every once in a while Regnyum gets sad because of his emotional issues and comes trolling to try and get attention. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:23:00 -
[48] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers. Too bad roles are not weighted equally space commy. There is reason logistics are called support.
And they should be rewarded more for doing something that ppl tend not to want to do. It's called incentive. Without it everyone will just go vanilla assault for the kills. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Are you daft man
I said the role was easy there are high KDR logis out there who I would take over if they had the same KDR as an assault. If the Assault KDR is equal to a Logi KDR, I am taking the logis because they can do anything an assault can and better. What good is an extra sidearm going to do for me when I can have extra equipment instead
Also I never said a team of just logis, I said a team with logis, you need your eyes examined. |
Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
423
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alpha 443-6732 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Balance is key...
Exactly I was about to say, having a balance of both on a team. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
[51] - Quote
Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended.
Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry.
Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer.
So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4690
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Slayers, they make everyone just give up |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
541
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
This sounds like the guys I served with in the infantry. It is an unwise philosophy. Everyone thinks they are the only ones doing a "real" job. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill
Im all for nerfing logis offensive capabilities, but there is absolutely no way to keep track of killstreaks and how someone died in a real combat situation, besides the obvious events. |
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
24
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
You just made me realize how great bf is all classes are equal assault can heal and revive people-points...support gives people ammo-points....recon leave spawn beacons and can lock onto vehicles for rpg and guided shell-points....engineer blow up vehicles and can repair them-points...I agree with you 100% but you also just showed me another reason why battlefield is great |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
542
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill
You answered your own question. Your points come from raw kills. If you don't like that then stop being a macho man and run logi. Then you can enjoy more points for being more useful than just being a dumb run and gun grunt. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1115
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh.
Just have them pull out the assault logi fit.
Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2603
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Trick question. A great logi is nothing more than admitting your backline player is the best slayer. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
803
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! DUDE YOU FRIGGEN MAKE ME LAUGH!
Lol I was reading op thinking is this dude for real?, seen ur post an fell off my chair =ƒæì |
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:35:00 -
[61] - Quote
Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match.
Logi Domi FTW baby! Best non-logi logi ship in the game! Or have they nerfed it now? |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match.
So why can't logis be nerfed to a sidearm so they can't be super assaults? I'd accept a buff to their equipment to trade off.
I don't understand how logis in this game can kill more effectively than assaults themselves. Sidearms are powerful enough as they are anyways (SMG and SP are godly in good hands). |
8213
Grade No.2
347
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lets put it this way.
In football, does the team with the most yards win? No, the team with the most points does.
I don't see why you can't Logi yourself and still be a killwhore. Logis carry guns too. So, why not try it yourself? Why not double your own WP? See how long you survive when you have to put away your gun to revive and rep a teammate. DUST doesn't FFA.
And stop calling yourself a "slayer". |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
803
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Lol do another ambush without any ammo supplied by a logi or depot, an we ll see if ur still complaining |
Guildo Crow
ZionTCD
131
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote: 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win?
Hey, Nancy. The world doesn't revolve around you.
1. People die in ambush; and they need uplinks, reps, needles etc. 2. Players don't all carry their ammo. 3. Not everyone shield tanks.
you want a developer to make a game around your play-style? Then, hire one and make your own game. In this game, we work as a team. And Logistics support that handles multiple facets of the battle should be rewared in multiple different ways.
As opposed to the "Slayer" (seriously,what nerd came up with that term?) who only does one thing. Kill. |
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Lol no one replies to my post..of course cuz its not spread out its logi gets it all why would you use anything other than a logi? Hell they make great slayers too and wayyy more wp |
dustwaffle
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
593
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:49:00 -
[67] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Unfortunately, CCP doesn't agree:
devblog wrote: ItGÇÖs important to us that the use of the of the various equipment items, gameplay roles and key actions in match provide an appropriate benefit not just to the team but to your progression in the game. For this reason, in 1.5 we decided to focus primarily on support actions over direct combat rewards. As always, we want DUST to be about more than just shooting the other guy in the face.
However, 'slayers'/assault players could do with additional bonii in addition to the headshot kill bonus. MAAAAYYYBBEE |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
971
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:55:00 -
[68] - Quote
Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault.
Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far.
Tread lightly little merc... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5799
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
Full squad of Gallente and/or Amarr suits + Logi with a repper and triage hives > You |
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
24
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 03:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc... A true logi isn't much of a killer use all the hp and ammo you want but a true slayer will win everytime |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
971
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:02:00 -
[71] - Quote
dustwaffle wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Unfortunately, CCP doesn't agree: devblog wrote: ItGÇÖs important to us that the use of the of the various equipment items, gameplay roles and key actions in match provide an appropriate benefit not just to the team but to your progression in the game. For this reason, in 1.5 we decided to focus primarily on support actions over direct combat rewards. As always, we want DUST to be about more than just shooting the other guy in the face.
However, 'slayers'/assault players could do with additional bonii in addition to the headshot kill bonus. MAAAAYYYBBEE
Good for CCP.. BRAVO!
All I am stating is Logi is easymode with high returns. |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
Alpha 443-6732 wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. So why can't logis be nerfed to a sidearm so they can't be super assaults? I'd accept a buff to their equipment to trade off. I don't understand how logis in this game can kill more effectively than assaults themselves. Sidearms are powerful enough as they are anyways (SMG and SP are godly in good hands). That, I agree with. I don't like the idea of a fitting only being "valid" if it has a weapon on it for example. While I don't see why you wouldn't want at least something to defend yourself with, if you're going for the 100% true logibro fit and want to maximize its effectiveness as a logi while sacrificing the gun, I believe you should be able to do that and not have to use up valuable PG/CPU on a gun that could be used for better logi/support mods.
Just my .02 isk as a long-time Eve bittervet hoping for a stronger link and a better sandbox Dust-side... |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4692
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
8213 wrote:Lets put it this way.
In football, does the team with the most yards win? No, the team with the most points does.
I don't see why you can't Logi yourself and still be a killwhore. Logis carry guns too. So, why not try it yourself? Why not double your own WP? See how long you survive when you have to put away your gun to revive and rep a teammate. DUST doesn't FFA.
And stop calling yourself a "slayer". I'm think of Logis vs Slayers PC not going well for logis |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1000
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:21:00 -
[74] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you angry at someone that's helping the team, while all you're doing is killing? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1000
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:25:00 -
[75] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Sorry I keep my Gun loaded and locked. I'm usually winning the game on the front lines and easymode logis are to busy at the back farming WP I hear someone is trying to make a top tier corp, maybe you should join it. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1115
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:25:00 -
[76] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc... I find it amazing how that is supposed to be in any way shape of form threatening.
I find that my tolerance for arrogance has no limits. You seem to think that because you lead a fancy corp, that I should care about a piece of virtual real estate.
I really don't quite ******* care.
My Opinion stands. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
160
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:dustwaffle wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Unfortunately, CCP doesn't agree: devblog wrote: ItGÇÖs important to us that the use of the of the various equipment items, gameplay roles and key actions in match provide an appropriate benefit not just to the team but to your progression in the game. For this reason, in 1.5 we decided to focus primarily on support actions over direct combat rewards. As always, we want DUST to be about more than just shooting the other guy in the face.
However, 'slayers'/assault players could do with additional bonii in addition to the headshot kill bonus. MAAAAYYYBBEE Good for CCP.. BRAVO! All I am stating is Logi is easymode with high returns.
LOL easy mode? Im the main logi bro for my squad that i play with daily, and ill tell you stright up its damn stressfull. All I heard over voice coms is "BECK! get me a scann near Alpha!" "Beck! we need ammo over on the bridge!" "BEEEEECK! Quickly revive me and rep me up so i can get back to killign people!" I pretty much demand that one day a week someone else runs logi so i can mindlessly run assult with an AR and be on easy more like you. Yeah I get high WP rewards, but what dose WP matter to you? thought only K/D ratio mattered to people like you? Maybe I get high WP rewards because i play a TEAM based shooter as a team player, and your just a Pathetic lone wolf that cant stand someone with low K?D being near you on the score board. HTFU man. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1000
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:27:00 -
[78] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. 1. I preach it and teach it. 2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st... 3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying LOL You're complaining about something that doesn't matter. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
971
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:28:00 -
[79] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you angry at someone that's helping the team, while all you're doing is killing?
Spkr come man lets not play this game dude. Me dropping 29-0 in 50 kill game is not helping.. eh. All I want to see is young fresh killers to specialize in assaults suits, and not be forced to go Logi for easy WP. |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
62
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:29:00 -
[80] - Quote
Logis have a hard time man. I don't know what you're talking about. I've only been playing as a Logi for the best two weeks and it isn't easy. I've been so use to playing as an Assault that sometimes I forget that I don't have a second weapon and I have to think differently. If my gun runs out of ammo, I know I gotta get cover or keep moving so the enemy can't aim properly. Once I get my gun reloaded, I go back to shooting. It either goes well or I die.
Being a Logi is way harder than being an Assault. I do love being an Assault though. |
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Eyemakerwet
R 0 N 1 N
79
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:33:00 -
[81] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win?
You do realize this game isnt just about you... rite? |
Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
425
|
Posted - 2013.10.11 04:35:00 -
[82] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc...
Really? You are now at a new low for threatening corps over this matter?
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
666
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:47:00 -
[83] - Quote
How to gain easy WP as logi:
1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit
Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1000
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:48:00 -
[84] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Some KDR scrub, obviously. I'd prefer someone that can keep me alive. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
972
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc... Really? You are now at a new low for threatening corps over this matter?
Sorry are we rewarding stupidity now |
Eyemakerwet
R 0 N 1 N
79
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast.
seen and fully support this tactic. Matchmaking can be a beach.
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
973
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:49:00 -
[87] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast.
Dust Jesus has spoken
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:51:00 -
[88] - Quote
Oops, forgot about this other fit:
1. Be armor tanked 2. Carry 2 Triage hives and 1 Ammo hive 3. Use 2 or 3 damage mods 4. ???? 5. Profit |
Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
425
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:52:00 -
[89] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. Dust Jesus has spoken
I see him as more of a cookieclicker god
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
4079
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
Rather than blame the suit, why not blame the mechanic? What's the reason that you're so mad about some "no skill WP farmer" getting more WP's than you, who rates his performance by K/D? If you feel you're doing good by killing, why should he feel bad about helping the rest of the team out with their kills?
I mean, if this is a WP = Orbital thread, I agree that it's a ****** mechanic, but I can't really offer up any practical solutions that wouldn't sound absolutely ridiculous. If this is just an epeen flailing thread, then I've got nothin' to contribute. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
973
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:54:00 -
[91] - Quote
Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. Dust Jesus has spoken I see him as more of a cookieclicker god
His miracles transcend to many many games |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:54:00 -
[92] - Quote
Eyemakerwet wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. seen and fully support this tactic. Matchmaking can be a beach. Hmm... What if I use a logi LAV as protection while I keep reviving my team as they die repeatedly next to uplinks as nanohives? Would this be considered an exploit? Would the enemy stop shooting me? |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:57:00 -
[93] - Quote
Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. Dust Jesus has spoken I see him as more of a cookieclicker god Can't stop the Alldin train... |
Eyemakerwet
R 0 N 1 N
79
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:59:00 -
[94] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:Eyemakerwet wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. seen and fully support this tactic. Matchmaking can be a beach. Hmm... What if I use a logi LAV as protection while I keep reviving my team as they die repeatedly next to uplinks as nanohives? Would this be considered an exploit? Would the enemy stop shooting me?
Dirty
Edit: to answer the question... not as much sn exploit as it is funny. Btw it helps the slayer on the other side |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6866
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:00:00 -
[95] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:Eyemakerwet wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. seen and fully support this tactic. Matchmaking can be a beach. Hmm... What if I use a logi LAV as protection while I keep reviving my team as they die repeatedly next to uplinks as nanohives? Would this be considered an exploit? Would the enemy stop shooting me? I'd steal it and run you over in it
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
673
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:01:00 -
[96] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
I wouldnt mind a DdddddOUBLE KILL...TRRRIIIIPPPLLEEEE KILL etc msg with increased wp if they happen shortly between :p
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:02:00 -
[97] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Eyemakerwet wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:How to gain easy WP as logi: 1. Go to Skirmish or Ambush OMS 2. Be in bad team 3. Spam uplinks and both types of Nanohives, injectors still welcome 4. ???? 5. Profit Trust me this works, I did it on Chromosome in a Min Logi and got 2000+ WP real fast. seen and fully support this tactic. Matchmaking can be a beach. Hmm... What if I use a logi LAV as protection while I keep reviving my team as they die repeatedly next to uplinks as nanohives? Would this be considered an exploit? Would the enemy stop shooting me? I'd steal it and run you over in it Explosives were already placed on my LAV, a Logi always gets protection. |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
267
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:07:00 -
[98] - Quote
So the points earned via logisitics would be
team resupply: 10 points for every one who gets ammo from your hive, seems fair enough to me, resupplying 5 people is the same points as killing one enemy.
revive: 60 points for picking someone up, little more than a kill but essentially negates that kill so I don't have a problem with it.
triage: this im not to sure how it works via nanohives but its 25 points per a set amount of armour repaired via the tool iirc. Its seems fair as it is capped and your taking a gun off the field to do so (if repairing under fire rather than after combat) but I do remember a game of skirmish were all my friend did was follow me round the map with a tool glued to my back, I only went something like 23/0 but he had far more WP than I did haha
guardian: dunno what the points are for this but if someone gets a kill whilst you are repping them you gets points, kinda bullcrap imo seeing as your getting points for the repair and I know of one logi who would just swap between members of the squad as we got kills to get the guardian points even if they were not under fire/damaged lol.
Team spawn: points for someone using your uplink, all good with me but 25 points seems like a little too much to me, all you did was throw it on the floor were hopefully someone cant find it and then forget about it. They are incredibly useful but I feel like 25 points is just a bit too much.
Scanner: not sure how it works as far as WP concerned, someone else can comment, something like 15 points if a team mate kills someone you scan? This feels like too much to me aswell but it isn't too bad.
These are all I could remember in my sleepy half assed post but the only real thing I don't like is how many points you can rack up off of uplinks, a logi out earning me in WP really doesn't bother me tbh. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
Nope , using AV is not Equally easy since you have to have into consideration a lot of stuff , like terrain,having height advantage, that the tank doesnt see you , teamwork,etcetc.. Using an AR is just stack 2-3 Cx Damage mods, aim in general direction and hold r1. 50+50+50+50....I even Dropped a Hurt Dropship with a GEK.LOL Tankers exagerate and QQ a lot more than necessary, dont try to deny it ;) AV is easy. |
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
Alldin you still dusting? Damn you and regnyum are dedicated |
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping from dropping equipment and passively farming WP is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my sidearm. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me to survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill Because you're not actively helping your team with ammo, reps, forward spawn points, and scanning. Do you even squad up? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Lol do another ambush without any ammo supplied by a logi or depot, an we ll see if ur still complaining I often have to do all that myself. Put down a ton of uplinks, ammo in a good spot, then if there's an enemy tank, forge it myself. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
481
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:47:00 -
[103] - Quote
because nobody wants to do it.
and i don't just mean in dust, i mean in any game that has ever featured "classes" nobody ever wants to play support, everybody wants the spotlight.
so pay them. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4692
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:49:00 -
[104] - Quote
Buzzwords wrote:because nobody wants to do it.
and i don't just mean in dust, i mean in any game that has ever featured "classes" nobody ever wants to play support, everybody wants the spotlight.
so pay them.
I play heavy when do I get a spotlight |
Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
59
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:51:00 -
[105] - Quote
You all are sillybob's I scan/rep/supply squad/team and still kill tons of enemys with my duvolle/krin's/balac's and get rewarted lots of wp. Spec in to something you like and run to the hotzone... OP should stop butthurting and start enjoying the game. See you all in the field tonight! |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4692
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:53:00 -
[106] - Quote
Mregomies wrote:You all are sillybob's I scan/rep/supply squad/team and still kill tons of enemys with my duvolle/krin's/balac's and get rewarted lots of wp. Spec in to something you like and run to the hotzone... OP should stop butthurting and start enjoying the game. See you all in the field tonight!
So core nades and nanos, I'm a heavy |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:56:00 -
[107] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc... LOL Who are you to threaten an entire corp because of what one guy said? You'll single-handedly fight them in PC after PC battle to take away all their districts? |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
84
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:56:00 -
[108] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. wow, is this 14 year old serious? i guess your all pumped up cod:ghost is comin' out soon, so you're looking for a fight? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:58:00 -
[109] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you angry at someone that's helping the team, while all you're doing is killing? Spkr come man lets not play this game dude. Me dropping 29-0 in 50 kill game is not helping.. eh. All I want to see is young fresh killers to specialize in assaults suits, and not be forced to go Logi for easy WP. That's best done on Call of Duty, where there aren't any roles to worry about. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
576
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:59:00 -
[110] - Quote
wait.....
I thought pub stomping was easymodding.... I guess I am not keeping up with the times. |
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Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
241
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:03:00 -
[111] - Quote
Instant gratification here we go again! |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:18:00 -
[112] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. wow this coming from an ambush scrub
you have played since open beta yes? but I bet you have never even attempted to hack an objective |
Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
53
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:32:00 -
[113] - Quote
Roofer Madness wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. I think they should reward kill streaks for sure.
if kill streaks were rewared then there would be a tank ageddon. if you know what youre doing 9and attempt to avoid all AV possible) you can make easy kill streaks. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1228
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Posted - 2013.10.11 10:32:00 -
[114] - Quote
For the record, I have proto suits, both assault and logi and all equipment and weapons at proto level asweell.
To try and answer all at once:
1. Most Logi players seems to think that assault players need the backup of a logi, in most cases this simply isn't true. A shield tanked assault woth a nanohive is more or less self sufficient. When I run my assault suit, I don't expect or need anything from the Logibros, they're mostly annoying when they try to repair my shield tanked suit....
2. When I run as a logi I normally use upljnks, hives and a scanner, I can easily rack up loads of WPs for no real effort, and thats without even carrying a needle and a repper. Its EZ-mode in terms of WP gain.
3. Some are still delusional and claims that the logi suits are better for the slayer role than the assault suits are, this is not so. This claim mostly seem to come from terrible assault players that QQ when they get owned by a logi. I have yet to meet a player which have both suits at proto level make this claim.
4. Hearing some of the dudes here, even the experienced ones that should know better saying: "I help out the team, while all you're doing is shooting people in the face", well, it makes me sad. When a player goes 29-0 in a gamemode that needs 50 kills for the win, he's probably more or less carrying the entire team to victory, we're talking ambush here.
5. I do get more kills on average with my assault fit, this is mostly due to speed. Well, and the sidearm. Its the speed and stamina of the suit, its the faster speed of the shield regen and to a small degree the strafe speed. Scanning for my squad takes up a lot of timeactually. So if I get 20 kills in the assult suit I'd probably get 15 kills with logi suit, and about twice or more WPs earned due to casually tossing some uplinks here and there....
6. Why do you even care Corruption? Let the scrubs get their silly amount of WPs so they're deluded to think they matter enough to keep playing the game feeding my ego and yours with more easy kills.... |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
670
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:08:00 -
[115] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? yeah because aim assisted point and shoot is really hard to do, right? beside that, you get less WP because you decided to run alone, self sufficent and not to care about anyone else.
instead, carry an injector/scanner/triage hive and help your teammates out. if you are that good, then it should not be a problem to kill and get some extra WP by helping your team at the same time. let the logis do the ammo supply. additionally, no one stops you from getting into a logi suit and set up uplinks at the beginning of the match and then switch to your assault suit.
oh and btw, the better your team is compared to the opposition the less WP logis get. logis get less important when you are starting to win/stomp.
Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. the difference is, logi ships in eve are tough and hard to take out even with concentrated fire, especially because they can spider tank very efficiently, a pack of logi ships can sustain their hp for very long time on themself through concentrated fire. . they also have HUGE ranges on shield transporters and remote armor repairers, they dont need to sit next to high DPS close range weaponry.
logi in dust sits right next to you and suffers from the same beating as you do. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2737
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:11:00 -
[116] - Quote
When I read the title I thought you were talking about assault. Come on, assault is really darn easy. Point and shoot, the only factors you have to worry about are your health and the enemies.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1148
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:33:00 -
[117] - Quote
Ahhhh more ar but hurt because another player is abetter logi than you are assault or ass..ault .. logis deserver more credit for their invaluable work. |
godhands9
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
92
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:37:00 -
[118] - Quote
Dude....You can go into a game drop nanohives and uplinks and get more WP than most people shooting. You can even go rubberband your controller,and just watch the points rack.Which is really funny. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
700
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:46:00 -
[119] - Quote
godhands9 wrote:Dude....You can go into a game drop nanohives and uplinks and get more WP than most people shooting. You can even go rubberband your controller,and just watch the points rack.Which is really funny.
Which shouldn't be a problem since KDR > Everything else, right? Right? |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
2 words: hazard pay |
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:01:00 -
[121] - Quote
QQ |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
581
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:12:00 -
[122] - Quote
Your an idiot.
Who reps the logi?
What happens when the assaults are being kill wh0res and don't protect the logi that's going for the revive?
Who resupplies the logi? |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
609
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:22:00 -
[123] - Quote
GO HEAVIES! |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
671
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:42:00 -
[124] - Quote
the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Top Men.
147
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:07:00 -
[125] - Quote
Oh man, another troll thread about logis and here we are on page seven with ya'll eating it up. +1 OP! |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:11:00 -
[126] - Quote
Sigberct Amni wrote:Oh man, another troll thread about logis and here we are on page seven with ya'll eating it up. +1 OP! It's people like this that encourage trolls. |
Sephirian Fair
0uter.Heaven
105
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:39:00 -
[127] - Quote
While I think ReGnYuM has gone about it in a rather poor manner, I do believe there should be more WP rewards based on killing targets. Not so much the killstreak WP gains, but I could see that being okay if after 5 kills, every kill after that gave an extra 5 or 10 points. A little too COD for my tastes, but it isn't a terrible idea.
However, I would greatly support WP gains for Savior and Revenge kills. An example would be 20 extra points for killing a target damaging a friendly would be a Savior bonus, and 10 points for dropping a target that had just recently killed a friendly would be a Revenge bonus.
Other bonuses they should add should come directly from the Battlefield series. Attacker and Defender bonuses around Null Cannon points that don't require the stupid squad command system. If you kill a target around a friendly point, a few extra points given as a Defender bonus. If you kill a target near an enemy Null Cannon, a few extra points given as an Attacker bonus.
HVT bonus points could be given out for dropping a target that is on a big kill streak. Might give more incentive to pay attention to who is the most dangerous target and try to kill him.
There are a lot of little things they could add that would add a little extra enjoyment to the game.
I'm not gonna comment on the Logi stuff. I honestly don't give a damn about the amount of WP they are earning. That's why I am making suggestions about how Slayers can earn some more WP doing what they do. These are simple additions, but I fear the stupid Orbital mechanic in Pub matches will prevent a lot of these ideas from being implemented. |
Drapedup Drippedout
G.U.T.Z
31
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:50:00 -
[128] - Quote
I touched on this a week ago on here...Its not that logi's are OP, but rather CCP's failure to make the assault dropsuit a balanced fit.
An assault dropsuit (other than the passive racial bonus) is at a severe disadvantage to any logi suit. A Callogi can run a pg AND cpu enhancer and still have (almost, 4 hi's for callogi 5 hi's for min assault) the same number of hi's and low's after equipping the cpu and pg mods as a proto assault. The only major differences is logi suits can't carry side arm. This hardly makes up for their "role" differences.
For a class such as FLF where we only get 1 equip slot, the majority of our WP is expected to come from kills. However the logi suit loadout is actually more adept at running a 'killer' class. Mainly because our dmg mods (needed for improved WP) eat up our high slots, whereas logi's WP production comes from the 3 equip slots not Hi's or Low's.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1704
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:54:00 -
[129] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
44 likes.... i'll say is very conclusive, the OP IS a idiot. |
lrian Locust
We Who Walk Alone
187
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:41:00 -
[130] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? That's not what Bojo said. Stop twisting his words, or learn to read.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1108
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:42:00 -
[131] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. It is done that way by design in the sole goal of trolling you. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
Next OP will be asking for killstreaks and attack dogs |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:46:00 -
[133] - Quote
KingBabar wrote:For the record, I have proto suits, both assault and logi and all equipment and weapons at proto level asweell.
To try and answer all at once:
1. Most Logi players seems to think that assault players need the backup of a logi, in most cases this simply isn't true. A shield tanked assault woth a nanohive is more or less self sufficient. When I run my assault suit, I don't expect or need anything from the Logibros, they're mostly annoying when they try to repair my shield tanked suit....
2. When I run as a logi I normally use upljnks, hives and a scanner, I can easily rack up loads of WPs for no real effort, and thats without even carrying a needle and a repper. Its EZ-mode in terms of WP gain.
3. Some are still delusional and claims that the logi suits are better for the slayer role than the assault suits are, this is not so. This claim mostly seem to come from terrible assault players that QQ when they get owned by a logi. I have yet to meet a player which have both suits at proto level make this claim.
4. Hearing some of the dudes here, even the experienced ones that should know better saying: "I help out the team, while all you're doing is shooting people in the face", well, it makes me sad. When a player goes 29-0 in a gamemode that needs 50 kills for the win, he's probably more or less carrying the entire team to victory, we're talking ambush here.
5. I do get more kills on average with my assault fit, this is mostly due to speed. Well, and the sidearm. Its the speed and stamina of the suit, its the faster speed of the shield regen and to a small degree the strafe speed. Scanning for my squad takes up a lot of timeactually. So if I get 20 kills in the assult suit I'd probably get 15 kills with logi suit, and about twice or more WPs earned due to casually tossing some uplinks here and there....
6. Why do you even care Corruption? Let the scrubs get their silly amount of WPs so they're deluded to think they matter enough to keep playing the game feeding my ego and yours with more easy kills.... Or, you know, stand on a nanohive and spam grenades.......... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
2147
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:47:00 -
[134] - Quote
You tell em regnyum! All these noobs just don't want their skill less WP farm taken away.
slayer master race ftmfw |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:48:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? yeah because aim assisted point and shoot is really hard to do, right? beside that, you get less WP because you decided to run alone, self sufficent and not to care about anyone else. instead, carry an injector/scanner/triage hive and help your teammates out. if you are that good, then it should not be a problem to kill and get some extra WP by helping your team at the same time. let the logis do the ammo supply. additionally, no one stops you from getting into a logi suit and set up uplinks at the beginning of the match and then switch to your assault suit. oh and btw, the better your team is compared to the opposition the less WP logis get. logis get less important when you are starting to win/stomp. Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. the difference is, logi ships in eve are tough and hard to take out even with concentrated fire, especially because they can spider tank very efficiently, a pack of logi ships can sustain their hp for very long time on themself through concentrated fire. . they also have HUGE ranges on shield transporters and remote armor repairers, they dont need to sit next to high DPS close range weaponry. logi in dust sits right next to you and suffers from the same beating as you do. Maybe if we get remote modules in a year's time, the range on them will be buffed a noticeable amount. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:52:00 -
[136] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Next OP will be asking for killstreaks and attack dogs LOL! |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
434
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:58:00 -
[137] - Quote
I heard CCP is developing a brain assist for ReGnYuM and that it will be released in 1.8 |
Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians
48
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:02:00 -
[138] - Quote
Dude you are honestly the definition of an AR scrub if thats really what you believe. Most of the time i'm the only god dren logi on my entire team! People drool over the hives I drop and worship my uplinks. One person supplying all of the teams ammo, spawns, revives, and heals!?! I better the the most fkin war points. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
366
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:05:00 -
[139] - Quote
Roofer Madness wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. I think they should reward kill streaks for sure.
We would be heading into ridiculous childish territory with that, no thanks |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1109
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:07:00 -
[140] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:You tell em regnyum! All these noobs just don't want their skill less WP farm taken away.
slayer master race ftmfw So funny...
Just stay away from their hives and uplinks; that way, they won't get any points!
You are part of the problem, Sirs!
Ha! |
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General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
3226
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:07:00 -
[141] - Quote
I am a slayer logi meaning I can go 30+ with 0-2 deaths and I can wp ***** at the same time.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
311
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:10:00 -
[142] - Quote
Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
155
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:14:00 -
[143] - Quote
TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Best description of the situation. The op's post made me laugh actually (cause its ******* stupid) and im not even a logi. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1109
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:17:00 -
[144] - Quote
Those who degrades the noble role of the Logi deserves to have a good quantity of red hot coals poured in their underwear (while being tied over a pool filled with saw-blades-equipped sharks). |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
985
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:18:00 -
[145] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it.
1. Slaying/ Assault has been a role in every FPS to date. Furthermore, going 29-0 in a 50 kill game is not providing for the team?
2. I believe fully in specialization for the purpose of planetary conquest.
3. My decision to play the most important role in Dust 514?
I made two simple points in my thread
1. Logi gains a insane amount WP for the amount of skill required.
2. I think assaults and slayers should also get extra WP for battle efficiency.
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
661
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:19:00 -
[146] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
how about put on a gear slot? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
679
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:30:00 -
[147] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Jack McReady wrote:the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. 1. Slaying/ Assault has been a role in every FPS to date. Furthermore, going 29-0 in a 50 kill game is not providing for the team? 2. I believe fully in specialization for the purpose of planetary conquest. 3. My decision to play the most important role in Dust 514? I made two simple points in my thread 1. Logi gains a insane amount WP for the amount of skill required. 2. I think assaults and slayers should also get extra WP for battle efficiency. and I also made two simple points:
first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would either mean, your team were full of new players dieing left and right, thus he could get all the WP by reviving and uplink spawns in which case he deserved it.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6874
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:31:00 -
[148] - Quote
KDR is a worthless stat in this game because so many people are bad, or new, and so many old players run around in a full proto squad.
It's not an indication of skill, rather, it's an indication of time played and being lifted up by broken matchmaking.
Not to say high KDR players aren't good, just that KDR in and of itself is a worthless stat thanks to the dizzying number of ways to boost it that require very little personal skill. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:47:00 -
[149] - Quote
itsmellslikefish wrote:Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! You're doing it wrong. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
316
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:49:00 -
[150] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! You're doing it wrong.
But its so much funn. |
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
102
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:53:00 -
[151] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100%
firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp.
"prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
986
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:12:00 -
[152] - Quote
bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you.
Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums.
CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP.
Heres my question valvetino
Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2260
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:14:00 -
[153] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:Except it's not. Logis get next to nothing when you're winning by a landslide, slayers get all the WP. If Logis are getting alot of WP, slayers just need to get better.
This is the truth. I get the most WPs when my support is being used. A constant fight over a heavily contested objective with dead slayers coming back on my uplinks and using my hives to keep shooting. I'm only getting points because slayers find my support useful.
The equipment doesn't use itself. Somone has to benefit from it before I get any points.
Redline the other team and you don't need my support. Great for you.
Get redline yourself and maybe the arc line of uplinks I dropped behind the enemy lines will let you restart the fight.
It's nice that you are a one-man army who can do it all by himself, but some of your fellow slayers seem to appreciate the assistance. You use the objective free mode of Ambush for your example. Yes, brain dead goal of "shoot more face" doesn't call for as much support. Why should it? The goal of "kill more" can be acomplished with DPS alone.
When you attempt game modes wtih objecives other than simply "kill more", you see logistics enter the picture. Who knows, in a few years you might even be using vehiclular transport.
It's so childish for a slayer who has his KDR stat cry about wanting the larger share of the WPs too. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2260
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:16:00 -
[154] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:18:00 -
[155] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Your an idiot.
Who reps the logi?
What happens when the assaults are being kill wh0res and don't protect the logi that's going for the revive?
Who resupplies the logi? Hey ReGnuM care to answer these questions? |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
437
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:20:00 -
[156] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514 |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:22:00 -
[157] - Quote
Skihids wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful.
Amazing, easy mode behavior of passively gaining WP through Logi must of stunned your ability to answer simple questions
Who contributed more? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:24:00 -
[158] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:25:00 -
[159] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514
LOLOLOLOL another logi who can't answer a simple question.
Eh... CCP you might want to look into how easymode behaviour affects brain activity |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
566
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:33:00 -
[160] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Logibro , considering that he was likely using his injector to save more clones than you killed |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
684
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:33:00 -
[161] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this...
maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it.
and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:36:00 -
[162] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote: All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP.
Well, the easiest solution would be for assault builds to drop weapons that farm WP while they run back and forth swapping out builds to spam more weapons on the field. Then we could be just like logis! |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
585
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:43:00 -
[163] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:57:00 -
[164] - Quote
Sighs at more logi hate.
Really think you guys who run a 'slayer' role need to chill the **** out. Not every logi is good and the same applies to peeps running the slayer role.
Ever since ccp took away your second equipment slot from proto assaults you've cried about logi being op, easy mode and slamming logis as rubbish. Please realise we logis understand your role on the battlefield, so get a fuckin grip. You play your way i'll play mine.
This game, for its faults, is intended for you to play as you the user wants to, not the way some of you would like to see us play. I'm really happy that you are all so **** hot at fps games and sorry you feel so bad about your apparant lack of reward for killing.
Anyway, rant done. Have a nice weekend |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:58:00 -
[165] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100% I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread. It's like this question: What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? I would not say he is a scrub, he is a good player, it is just the typical tunnelvision that you encounter in dust...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
439
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:59:00 -
[166] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Dexter307 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514 LOLOLOLOL another logi who can't answer a simple question. Eh... CCP you might want to look into how easymode behaviour affects brain activity I'm a heavy Go back to cod where you belong. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
587
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:02:00 -
[167] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100% I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread. It's like this question: What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? I would not say he is a scrub, he is a good player, it is just the typical tunnelvision that you encounter in dust... Meh, I have yet to face him/her in a match (at least if they are using the toon they used to make this thread).
But yes, it's tunnel vision.
The only thing I can say is Yin-Yang. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2262
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:08:00 -
[168] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Skihids wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful. Amazing, easy mode behavior of passively gaining WP through Logi must of stunned your ability to answer simple questions Who contributed more?
If I earn more WPs than you, by CCP's definition I contributed more.
Now it's a touch more complicated than that as it requires human analysis of who the MPV is in a given game. Who did you shoot, and did it prevent an enemy hack or was it just a useless redberry standing around? Did my uplinks get you behind the enemy lines where you could flank them, or was it dropped underneath our MCC?
CCP will be adding more WP rewards for strategic kills such as killing a hacker in future updates, so you will see some of that counted.
The goal is to give WP's for actions that advance the win. Trigger pullers are the most obvious, but far from the only contributors. Your use of the word "lazy" bespeaks your complete lack of knowledge of the efforts required to properly support. I can spend half the match running back and forth from a backline SD to the front to place the right equipment in the best spots while a slayer simply stands in one small area shooting at whoever happens by. Who is lazy then?
Slinging insults is childish. So is demanding all the attention and the biggest slice of cake. If DUST is to ever advance beyond TDM and become the game it promised to be there will be plenty of important roles other than slayer and all will be crucial to the win. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:12:00 -
[169] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
QFT for the history books
Based on your logic, a player on a 16 man deep team who dropped 58% of the kills with no deaths. Compared to the player who killed 8% and lost 30% of our clones.
Maybe you should've argued this for Skirmish lol |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:16:00 -
[170] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA QFT for the history books Based on your logic, a player on a 16 man deep who dropped 58% of the kills with no deaths. Compared to the player who killed 8% and lost 30% of our clones. Maybe you should've argued this for Skirmish lol 1. Speak in real sentences and clearly explain your stance in the above quote
2. If you you were in a deadly situation were someone pointed a gun at you, what would you pick.
A gun? Or a shield that blocks bullets?
And again I repeat, Yin and Yang |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:18:00 -
[171] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon.
Actions have consequences |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:20:00 -
[172] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell?
And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers.
Yin and Yang |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:21:00 -
[173] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:22:00 -
[174] - Quote
While I do agree that effective assaults are essentially underpaid, I think it's fine that way.
Being a logistic is not a glorious occupation. Being an effective slayer is reward in itself, and tons of fun. Effectively supporting a team is a lot less interesting in comparison. So the higher rewards ensure that (enough) people still enjoy playing logistics and the game is probably better for it overall. |
Buttercup Chipmint
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:23:00 -
[175] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
LOL KD/R LOL
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:24:00 -
[176] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote: and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo.
This what they teach in Dust University
Assault player who kills a lot = Selfish.
Good to see unversity still has the same old mentality
Bad players teaching bad habbits |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:27:00 -
[177] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell? And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers. Yin and Yang
You'll see Maybe next time you should learn to keep your mouth shut.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
[178] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell? And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers. Yin and Yang You'll see Maybe next time you should learn to keep your mouth shut. Ooooo I love surprises!!!! Make sure there is lots of fireworks!!!!
O and I request you make a thread about it in general discussion!!!! |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
453
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
[179] - Quote
1) Being a slayer isn't more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
[180] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words
nah those five words is all I need |
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
[181] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1762
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
[182] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't
The community spoke Reg. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
[183] - Quote
R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer.
In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost
It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis
I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:34:00 -
[184] - Quote
All this bs is making me hungry, ill cya later regy, can I call you regy? |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:36:00 -
[185] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words.
Does it change anything no. I put with you because training corp and for the most you do some good. However, when the hell does a training corp have the right to belittle me. Yo own PC space because for the most part the big boys like me let. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:38:00 -
[186] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words. Does it change anything no. I put with you because training corp and for the most you do some good. However, when the hell does a training corp have the right to belittle me. Yo own PC space because for the most part the big boys like me let. Removing adjectives no make you sentence easier read. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
989
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:39:00 -
[187] - Quote
Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:40:00 -
[188] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Jack McReady wrote: and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo.
This what they teach in Dust University Assault player who kills a lot = Selfish. Good to see unversity still has the same old mentality Bad players teaching bad habbits
Don't be a ****, we all have our own minds.
There's nothing selfish about being an effective assault as far as I'm concerned. All roles are required, and if killing is your strength, then there is no more effective way to multiply that strength than to play a role which is designed for it.
On the other hand it would also be silly to call logistics less skilled, because the most effective logistics will require the same amount of combat skills if not more. Overly passive logistics may be overpaid right now, but I'm sure we're all in agreement that a logistics going 20:2 is working a lot harder than an assault going 20:2. |
Michael Epic
Universal Militia Contractings
40
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:53:00 -
[189] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't
You want someone to counter your points? I will surely do that for you. Just because you asked so nicely. *thumbs up*
First off...go seek out a thread I created yesterday called "Lets Start a FIRE" and read it.
Now...are you seriously bitching about logistics players? Are you serious? You miss the whole point of this game. This game isn't about KILLING PEOPLE (minus Ambush mode of course) its about corporations, gaining acreage in the space system and destroying enemy MCC's to overtake that acreage. Killing people is a byproduct of that.
Like any other battle or war....you basically gotta kill folks to get the job done. So yeah..all your points NULL AND ******* VOID ************.
*takes a deep breath* Sorry about that...you whiners frustrates me. Moving on.
So lets see...you go 29-0. I bet you feel like a big man don't you? 29.00 KDR woo hoo I bet you get on facebook and text all your friends and they go good job man you're the man you're my hero, lemme S your D off!
No? Oh...well, bummer.
Logi's:
Spawns (helps the team) Ammo (helps the team) Healing (helps the team) Scanning (helps the team) Remote explosives (blowing up equipment and bad guys...helps the team)
so lets do some math 29 x 50pts = 1450WP.
That's 58 respawns from a droplinks 29 deaths via remote explosives, AR's, sub MG's, MD's, Imperial SR's, whatever.
So all YOU are doing is getting 29 kills? You're the lazy sum'***** that has me wondering why YOU get so many WP for just killing folks when I'm out there laying droplinks, taking precautions to make sure they're not found quickly or when found can hold up...I'm laying remote explosives on the NULL cannons to save us a change over if possible...
I'm out there hustling my ass off for the greater good of the team and all YOU are doing is killing baddies and boosting YOUR KDR and giving yourself a good ego jerk?
Yeah sorry buddy but your entire argument has zero valid points and seems like just a child crying like a little baby.
Does ReGnYuM need a diapie change? *grabs gloves* I don't normally do this... |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1511
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:06:00 -
[190] - Quote
Stimuli: A support class is rewarded for performing a support role. Response: ReGnYuM moans in having to share the spotlight.
Stimuli: Pure imbalance permits him to go 29-0. Response: ReGnYuM finds something to whine about.
Stimuli: Broken matchmaking permits him to always win. Response: ReGnYuM confusedly invokes the word "skill" as if a pubstomp requires any.
Stimuli: The good guys (Dust Uni) challenge his absurd position. Response: ReGnYuM proceeds to threaten and demand apology.
I would appear that ReGnYuM's sense of entitlement has reached an all-time high. Positive stimuli consistently invoking negative response ... such behavior brings to mind a spoiled little girl. Perhaps CCP should consider offering negative stimuli to their beloved brat class -- namely ReGnYuM -- in hopes of inducing positive response.
They could start by balancing the Assault frame, such that it no longer has a Heavy's eHP and a Scout's mobility. If ReGnYuM's entitlements were taken away, perhaps then he could grasp the importance of a support class. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
991
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:07:00 -
[191] - Quote
Michael Epic wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't You want someone to counter your points? I will surely do that for you. Just because you asked so nicely. *thumbs up* First off...go seek out a thread I created yesterday called "Lets Start a FIRE" and read it. Now...are you seriously bitching about logistics players? Are you serious? You miss the whole point of this game. This game isn't about KILLING PEOPLE (minus Ambush mode of course) its about corporations, gaining acreage in the space system and destroying enemy MCC's to overtake that acreage. Killing people is a byproduct of that. Like any other battle or war....you basically gotta kill folks to get the job done. So yeah..all your points NULL AND ******* VOID ************. *takes a deep breath* Sorry about that...you whiners frustrates me. Moving on. So lets see...you go 29-0. I bet you feel like a big man don't you? 29.00 KDR woo hoo I bet you get on facebook and text all your friends and they go good job man you're the man you're my hero, lemme S your D off! No? Oh...well, bummer. Logi's: Spawns (helps the team) Ammo (helps the team) Healing (helps the team) Scanning (helps the team) Remote explosives (blowing up equipment and bad guys...helps the team) so lets do some math 29 x 50pts = 1450WP. That's 58 respawns from a droplinks 29 deaths via remote explosives, AR's, sub MG's, MD's, Imperial SR's, whatever. So all YOU are doing is getting 29 kills? You're the lazy sum'***** that has me wondering why YOU get so many WP for just killing folks when I'm out there laying droplinks, taking precautions to make sure they're not found quickly or when found can hold up...I'm laying remote explosives on the NULL cannons to save us a change over if possible... I'm out there hustling my ass off for the greater good of the team and all YOU are doing is killing baddies and boosting YOUR KDR and giving yourself a good ego jerk? Yeah sorry buddy but your entire argument has zero valid points and seems like just a child crying like a little baby. Does ReGnYuM need a diapie change? *grabs gloves* I don't normally do this...
1. Not bitching stating a fact: Logi is easymode for WP gain
2. Every FPS, including Dust, is centered around killing. Support ie Logistic is designed to augment my ability to kill
3. If Dust 514 like any other AAA shooter had stat rely system. I would gladly share my stats on Facebook. Oh wait can't to that
4. Yeah I must be lazy if I am dropping 30 bombs in ambush, ya know actually reducing tickets. Furthermore, if it is so easy why do I rarely see anybody above me in kills.
5. Lastly, my killing is factor of you winning |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
991
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:12:00 -
[192] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote: Stimuli: A support class is rewarded for performing a support role. Response: ReGnYuM moans in having to share the spotlight.
Stimuli: Pure imbalance permits him to go 29-0. Response: ReGnYuM finds something to whine about.
Stimuli: Broken matchmaking permits him to always win. Response: ReGnYuM confusedly invokes the word "skill" as if a pubstomp requires any.
Stimuli: The good guys (Dust Uni) challenge his absurd position. Response: ReGnYuM proceeds to threaten and demand apology.
I would appear that ReGnYuM's sense of entitlement has reached an all-time high. Positive stimuli consistently invoking negative response ... such behavior brings to mind a spoiled little girl. Perhaps CCP should consider offering negative stimuli to their beloved brat class -- namely ReGnYuM -- in hopes of inducing positive response.
They could start by balancing the Assault frame, such that it no longer has a Heavy's eHP and a Scout's mobility. If ReGnYuM's entitlements were taken away, perhaps then he could grasp the importance of a support class.
Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
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Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
139
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:14:00 -
[193] - Quote
Wow, come off your high horse buddy, and join the rest of us on the ground. So a logi nearly matched you in WP. Then they were doing their job I would say.
So you think you deserve more WP for killing, you topped the leaderboard, what the hell are you crying about. |
Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:20:00 -
[194] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
I agree with you to an extent. I feel that without such large wp values logis may not take the risk that comes with using support equipment. Providing ways for slayers to receive more wp isn't a bad thing it just has to be done carefully. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1511
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:21:00 -
[195] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote: Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
Please and thank you! ReGnYuM's gonna show us how to do it right!
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
453
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:22:00 -
[196] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that
It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage.
Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous:
Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!".
Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that???
I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me.
So...
If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more. |
Wombat in combat
TeamPlayers EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:23:00 -
[197] - Quote
There are a couple of reasons for this, without listing them all up the most important one is a single logi can have 19 nanohives and 19 drop uplinks active at any given time (23 if you count the AUR ones).
Putting a hard cap would alleviate this issue and potentially reduce the massive amount of PC city lag. Max 8 nanos and 8 uplinks per person I would say. That and stop awarding WP for a a quick second revive. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:25:00 -
[198] - Quote
R'adeh Hunt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage. Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous: Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!". Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that??? I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me. So... If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more.
So Logi bros should be paying me then
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:26:00 -
[199] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:27:00 -
[200] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened.
wait and see |
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:28:00 -
[201] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened. wait and see Ooooo goody a surprise!!!! :D |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1153
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:30:00 -
[202] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:ReGnYuM wrote: Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
Please and thank you! ReGnYuM's gonna show us how to do it right!
Oh if course he is ..... hes a walking f@#king batalian of knowledge of cod boy bullshit.... lets see him top the boards as a proper logibro not a murder logi.
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:34:00 -
[203] - Quote
Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I believe more 'slaying' WP are coming in the form of revenge kills / multiples ect.
Good deal, more ways to get points in my logistics suit. I am trying to grow a very nice WP to Death ratio, this will help even more lol. |
Lt Hightower
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:37:00 -
[204] - Quote
I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol |
Zimander
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:38:00 -
[205] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
I'm running logi and revive killed team resupplying dropping up links give me more WP then in Assault or Heavy but my K/D is lower or even worst then im in Assault drop suit
Soooo
if u have problem with Logi getting more-less then same WP like assault Spec to Logi and then u gone be happy siting behind someone helping him win battle |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:38:00 -
[206] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage. Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous: Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!". Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that??? I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me. So... If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more. So Logi bros should be paying me then
Why should they be paying you??? Oh, right...save someone 150k and then also having to pay for it because the assault doesn't think it's fair the logi gets points for saving his ass.
Sounds reasonable |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol
I generally don't revive people unless the area's secured...but him I'd revive over and over and over again in the line of fire (and then brag about the points). |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6881
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:53:00 -
[208] - Quote
Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol Speed scout with a nanite injector
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:59:00 -
[209] - Quote
R'adeh Hunt wrote:Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol I generally don't revive people unless the area's secured...but him I'd revive over and over and over again in the line of fire (and then brag about the points).
repping a shield tanker lol |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
3248
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:17:00 -
[210] - Quote
This thread kinda....sucks. |
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:20:00 -
[211] - Quote
Regy I never got your surprise :( |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:23:00 -
[212] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Regy I never got your surprise :(
chill dude ppl are working |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:26:00 -
[213] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Regy I never got your surprise :( chill dude ppl are working Lol ok, make sure you let me know cause I'm looking foreward to it |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
105
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:27:00 -
[214] - Quote
Drop uplink give too many war points, not the logis fault but most run with up links and Sooo... . Also, squad with Logibro + defend order = instant orbital = more kills and WP for you. Why are you complaining about that? |
Severus Smith
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:53:00 -
[215] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? I've sad it before. Want to balance this game more? Give Assault suits +3% RoF per level and remove their equipment. That makes them specialized killing machines (as they should be) who are also reliant on support troops (as they should be) to restock their ammo / get them back in to the front lines.
Right now a squad of 6 Assaults (a specialized suit) can repair, scan, restock ammo, revive, and drop uplinks. If you make them more deadly but remove their equipment they need to bring at least one Logi with them to keep them stocked / alive. Then ReGnYuM wont complain about "useless" Logi's as he needs them to keep his Gallente WP tube stocked with bullets.
Yay specialization! |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:01:00 -
[216] - Quote
8213 wrote:News flash: You're not a slayer. You're a selfish killwhore.
Slayers aren't supposed to just rack up kills. They are suppose to kill specific players. They don't get the most kills they get the strategic kills.
Defense kills, defending an objective. Offense kills, clearing out and protecting objective takers. Neutralizing the other teams slayer.
Killwhoring a bunch of Militia noobs accomplishes nothing. Its just selfish K/D buffing, even in Ambush.
In DUST you can go 50-0 and still lose. You may not need a Logo, but you're team as a whole won't win without one. I've gone 30s-0 and had my squad go 100-0 and still lost, because a revived clone means nothing on the scoreboard.
Man me n you (once you're on your main) need to have a session.
"The Pro's of Core Nading" is a 2 week course that you clearly are in need of my friend
xD |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:02:00 -
[217] - Quote
Severus Smith wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? I've sad it before. Want to balance this game more? Give Assault suits +3% RoF per level and remove their equipment. That makes them specialized killing machines (as they should be) who are also reliant on support troops (as they should be) to restock their ammo / get them back in to the front lines. Right now a squad of 6 Assaults (a specialized suit) can repair, scan, restock ammo, revive, and drop uplinks. If you make them more deadly but remove their equipment they need to bring at least one Logi with them to keep them stocked / alive. Then ReGnYuM wont complain about "useless" Logi's as he needs them to keep his Gallente WP tube stocked with bullets. Yay specialization!
He isn't gallente. |
Severus Smith
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:04:00 -
[218] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:Severus Smith wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? I've sad it before. Want to balance this game more? Give Assault suits +3% RoF per level and remove their equipment. That makes them specialized killing machines (as they should be) who are also reliant on support troops (as they should be) to restock their ammo / get them back in to the front lines. Right now a squad of 6 Assaults (a specialized suit) can repair, scan, restock ammo, revive, and drop uplinks. If you make them more deadly but remove their equipment they need to bring at least one Logi with them to keep them stocked / alive. Then ReGnYuM wont complain about "useless" Logi's as he needs them to keep his Gallente WP tube stocked with bullets. Yay specialization! He isn't gallente. But his AR is... |
Incin3rate
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
4
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:42:00 -
[219] - Quote
Pull up you're pants, your E-peen is showing. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:47:00 -
[220] - Quote
As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's.
I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like:
Ambush
Ammer FW
PC
And then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week.
overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus.
Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm
Just saying
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The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
1186
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:50:00 -
[221] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying In other words core locus nade... I mean |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:53:00 -
[222] - Quote
The legend345 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying In other words core locus nade... I mean
Nah gun game. Go watch match 4 of the tourney and tell me about marauder throwing core's though :P Duvolle vs Officer weaps for the win son. GOML!
nvm...BANG BANG |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1253
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:57:00 -
[223] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. I agree. Maybe the WP reward for kills should increment by 2 WP after each kill, and get reset every time you die. So if you go 20/0 your first kill gives you 50 points and your 20th kill earns you 70 WP. (Example does not include Squad and Headshot bonuses.) |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
50
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:04:00 -
[224] - Quote
OMG, a logi healed you, provided you with ammo, gave you a spawn place and scanned your enemies, and THEY HAVE MORE WP THAN YOU?, THIS IS MADNESS, MADNESS I SAY!, pathethic, you and this tread. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
406
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:11:00 -
[225] - Quote
not all logi's are low kill wp harvesters. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
407
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:20:00 -
[226] - Quote
Roofer Madness wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. I think they should reward kill streaks for sure. i would rather the rewards for doings ones job resulted in isk rewards..for example every 15 kills gained without dieing ina slayer suits..adds 200 k to end battle results
every 1500 wp gained in a logi suit WITHOUT dieing should do the same..
same concept could be applied to most of dust it would be nice if the logi's that score high and get kills without dieing got rewards over scrub wp harvesting types |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
664
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:35:00 -
[227] - Quote
So I see this post is still going strong. Stop encouraging Regnyum's attention-whoring. I know it's nice for him to think his opinions are relevant, but wouldn't the truth be better for him? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1521
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:57:00 -
[228] - Quote
"The space is completely fenced in and includes separate play spaces for toddlers and older children plus an open area for running or tossing a ball. The slides and climbing equipment connect into the wall, making them handicap accessible. The many large trees provide shade for a picnic or some cooling down."
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
998
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:58:00 -
[229] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote: "The space is completely fenced in and includes separate play spaces for toddlers and older children plus an open area for running or tossing a ball. The slides and climbing equipment connect into the wall, making them handicap accessible. The many large trees provide shade for a picnic or some cooling down."
Enjoy your ban shotty
or maybe you should read the forum rules |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
763
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:06:00 -
[230] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote: "The space is completely fenced in and includes separate play spaces for toddlers and older children plus an open area for running or tossing a ball. The slides and climbing equipment connect into the wall, making them handicap accessible. The many large trees provide shade for a picnic or some cooling down."
Enjoy your ban shotty or maybe you should read the forum rules
My interest is piqued. Do explain this in great detail. I want to know why, rule by rule; word by word, and including all admendments, and adjuctions. |
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Grimmiers
0uter.Heaven
250
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:09:00 -
[231] - Quote
Because the combination of a headshot, multikill, and megakillstreak sound would create a warphole in your eardrum. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
408
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:27:00 -
[232] - Quote
Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:So I see this post is still going strong. Stop encouraging Regnyum's attention-whoring. I know it's nice for him to think his opinions are relevant, but wouldn't the truth be better for him? no this is a serious issue all around their needs to be rewards for those of us who full fill our roles exceptionally and go beyond the parameters of our spec. a logi who runs 28/3 with 2500 wp should be rewarded substantially more than a scrub just wp harvesting..ccp need to put in match objectives that can increase your end match results. the same said for a slayer...
i would also like a bonus at the end of the game of you win your squad an orbital if i pull 2500 wo i should get a bonus if i kill 30 people without i dieing i should get a bonus..by what i just said that would be +400k ...
if their were substantial rewards for perfection scrubs harvesting wp for their scores wouldnt matter..because position on the leaderboards wouldn't effect isk so much..sure you may not be on top but depending on what you did your payout could be high.
ccp needs to give us PROPER rewards their are people that fulfill multiple roles on the battle field that would really appreciate adequate pay for the risks they take.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1521
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:30:00 -
[233] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote: "The space is completely fenced in and includes separate play spaces for toddlers and older children plus an open area for running or tossing a ball. The slides and climbing equipment connect into the wall, making them handicap accessible. The many large trees provide shade for a picnic or some cooling down."
Enjoy your ban shotty or maybe you should read the forum rules
True Story: So i'm using my girlfriend's work phone. We're traveling and mine died. Still getting a feel for Copy / Paste. Anyway, what I wanted to paste here was totally different from what her clipboard had stored. When I read it back, I couldn't believe how well it fit. Had to share :-) |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
555
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:01:00 -
[234] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. I out pointed 13ear with a Logi suit while he was in his Falchion. **** your KDR and meaningless kills :D |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:03:00 -
[235] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:So I see this post is still going strong. Stop encouraging Regnyum's attention-whoring. I know it's nice for him to think his opinions are relevant, but wouldn't the truth be better for him? no this is a serious issue all around their needs to be rewards for those of us who full fill our roles exceptionally and go beyond the parameters of our spec. a logi who runs 28/3 with 2500 wp should be rewarded substantially more than a scrub just wp harvesting..ccp need to put in match objectives that can increase your end match results. the same said for a slayer... i would also like a bonus at the end of the game of you win your squad an orbital if i pull 2500 wo i should get a bonus if i kill 30 people without i dieing i should get a bonus..by what i just said that would be +400k ... if their were substantial rewards for perfection scrubs harvesting wp for their scores wouldnt matter..because position on the leaderboards wouldn't effect isk so much..sure you may not be on top but depending on what you did your payout could be high. ccp needs to give us PROPER rewards their are people that fulfill multiple roles on the battle field that would really appreciate adequate pay for the risks they take.
QFT |
Rudy Vandersario
Famous Wolf
97
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:13:00 -
[236] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying
It's funny (as in it's bull****) how you regularly get 40+ kills but all 3 of those pics is 22/1? Do you think 22/1 makes you some amazing killer? Because you sure talk like you are but then the stats you posted don't back it up. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
548
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:35:00 -
[237] - Quote
Rorek IronBlood wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote: "The space is completely fenced in and includes separate play spaces for toddlers and older children plus an open area for running or tossing a ball. The slides and climbing equipment connect into the wall, making them handicap accessible. The many large trees provide shade for a picnic or some cooling down."
Enjoy your ban shotty or maybe you should read the forum rules My interest is piqued. Do explain this in great detail. I want to know why, rule by rule; word by word, and including all admendments, and adjuctions.
That's so funny! It really does go well with this thread. It's a better comeuppance for the OP than anything you might have posted that actually addresses the issue.
Look at him. Got him even more riled up. Lol. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
823
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:46:00 -
[238] - Quote
You know I honestly couldn't give a flying **** if a Logi beats me in WP. It's games like this that **** me off more than anything.
A Logi who is throwing down ammo and uplinks is always welcome in my book. Something as arbitrary as "WP" means jack **** in the long run. It's ultimately about your own personal gain. The "rewards" for WP are borderline meaningless anyway. A handful of skill points at the end of a match doesn't justify adjusting WP gains. It's fine as it is. I'm a slayer as much as you Reg, and while I agree on some things like multi-kills as good additions to the system, we should be giving more incentives for scrubs to help the team, not the other way around. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
809
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:00:00 -
[239] - Quote
Loving seeing my notification bar have 101 new posts On this obvious " troll an pat myself on the back wit my 29/0 super slayer thread"
Proof of the TP EGO!
Good work giving your team a even more respectable image, dip$hit! |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:03:00 -
[240] - Quote
Rudy Vandersario wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying It's funny (as in it's bull****) how you regularly get 40+ kills but all 3 of those pics is 22/1? Do you think 22/1 makes you some amazing killer? Because you sure talk like you are but then the stats you posted don't back it up.
Umm...lol? Pic 1 is a 22/1 of 80 kill ambush, solo. Pic 2 IS a 42 kill game I got recently, pic 3 is me topping the leaderboards as a logi while still killing 18/6 against traky, la flash and wtf...mvp in addition to killing more than everyone else on my team I think.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1454
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:14:00 -
[241] - Quote
This crap really went 12 pages? Smh. This is only a "what about me" thread. It's absolutely terrible. Cry babyish. If you want to be number one for your kills and KDR, go play the games that cater to that. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6892
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:20:00 -
[242] - Quote
Am I the only one who pronounces it as Re-Jie-Num?
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
404
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:26:00 -
[243] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more.
This guy just won the thread. |
Rudy Vandersario
Famous Wolf
97
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:28:00 -
[244] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:Rudy Vandersario wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying It's funny (as in it's bull****) how you regularly get 40+ kills but all 3 of those pics is 22/1? Do you think 22/1 makes you some amazing killer? Because you sure talk like you are but then the stats you posted don't back it up. Umm...lol? Pic 1 is a 22/1 of 80 kill ambush, solo. Pic 2 IS a 42 kill game I got recently, pic 3 is me topping the leaderboards as a logi while still killing 18/6 against traky, la flash and wtf in a pc match...mvp in addition to killing more than everyone else on my team I think.
On my phone it's all the same 22/1 pic. Either way you make out you regularly make 40+ kills but on the evidence that is not exactly true is it.
Anyone could take photos of great scores it doesn't mean you get them all the time. Sorry to pick on you there's just something about your bragging that I don't like. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
806
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:31:00 -
[245] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Am I the only one who pronounces it as Re-Jie-Num? Thanks, that is not what I guessed.
QQ Kitten was the best I came up with. Several others but they mostly translate to *********** ************* crybaby on these forums.
The thing I find funny about people as stupid as the OP is I run with several that run Assault suits. And they run Scanners, Armor/Ammo Hives, Injectors and Repair Tools. Maybe we should block anyone that is not in a Logi Fit from getting any WP except for Kills. And no ***** kissing Assists either. Kills only. Once they have reached 1M WP then only Headshot Kills will gain WP. Seems like a reasonable solution.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1718
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:33:00 -
[246] - Quote
Are people seriously reading the full thread ? I stopped reading at this bit ;
#2Posted: 2013.10.11 02:51
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2263
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:37:00 -
[247] - Quote
A poster did make a good point about removing the equipment slot from assault suits.
Six assault players have six slots between them making a Logi redundant. Assaults are designed for slaying and don't really have room or fitting left over for huge ammo hives.
To create a real need for Logis the assault should lose the equipment slot and get mor slaying capability in return. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1718
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:42:00 -
[248] - Quote
Skihids wrote:A poster did make a good point about removing the equipment slot from assault suits.
Six assault players have six slots between them making a Logi redundant. Assaults are designed for slaying and don't really have room or fitting left over for huge ammo hives.
To create a real need for Logis the assault should lose the equipment slot and get mor slaying capability in return.
Actually, now you say that... we don't even need the weapons, just the grenades and Orbital Strikes. So...
Assault ;
-3 highs / 2 lows -No Lights Weapon -No Handheld Weapon -No Equipment Slot -20 Grenade Slots
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General Erick
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
158
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:08:00 -
[249] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. First, calm down. Second, I agree TO A POINT!
I have a Heavy HMG main and a Logi alt and I agree the Logis can get a shitton of points for (what seems to me as) little effort. I believe combat oriented players need more bonuses like: Avenger, Savior, Multikill, e.t.c. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
604
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:38:00 -
[250] - Quote
I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
1003
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:51:00 -
[251] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP
do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:53:00 -
[252] - Quote
Rudy Vandersario wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Rudy Vandersario wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:As a talented logistics player a really good logistics player can compete with the best slayers in kills, and yet own the **** out of the slayers on wp's. I drop 40+ kill games soloing skirmish for the Ammar, and carry the team with my first fit setting 11 proto links 2+ at each obj that carries the game for my team (cause lol blueberries being reliable dropping links) and yet I can focus all game on killing and then post scores like: AmbushAmmer FWPCAnd then blueberries send you e-peen stroking mailz like this one from when I started shaking off the rust last week. overall as a slayer logi I can fit proto links, enhanced scanner, proto hives, and an enhanced injector +1k hp at 4.6 move speed + proto duvolle and core locus. Sure it took me 22+ mill hp to get it all together but it's pretty amazing. Logi's are slayer with equips imo. there's few times me on a repping hive > an assault switching to his sidearm Just saying It's funny (as in it's bull****) how you regularly get 40+ kills but all 3 of those pics is 22/1? Do you think 22/1 makes you some amazing killer? Because you sure talk like you are but then the stats you posted don't back it up. Umm...lol? Pic 1 is a 22/1 of 80 kill ambush, solo. Pic 2 IS a 42 kill game I got recently, pic 3 is me topping the leaderboards as a logi while still killing 18/6 against traky, la flash and wtf in a pc match...mvp in addition to killing more than everyone else on my team I think. On my phone it's all the same 22/1 pic. Either way you make out you regularly make 40+ kills but on the evidence that is not exactly true is it. Anyone could take photos of great scores it doesn't mean you get them all the time. Sorry to pick on you there's just something about your bragging that I don't like.
I'll post some more from tonight if you like
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Vesago Ghostcore
Rejected Clones
44
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:56:00 -
[253] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. 1. I preach it and teach it. 2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st... 3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying
I don't think that your 29 kills isn't appreciated, but your not appreciating the 15 suits that logi payed for, that kept you fed with ammo, repped, and brought all your other buddies who died back into the match with uplinks. not to mention the benefit of scanners.
You made a buttload of isk, got a massive KDR, and to kill 29 dudes you needed more ammo for sure, all of which cost you 0 isk cause you kept your suit. How far backwards did that logi go for you? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
604
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:06:00 -
[254] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm Knock yourself out, I honestly don't care. I got nothing to hide. I played a bad round, we got pub stomped to the curb with 2 more anal holes added to our mercs butt so congrats! You can pubstomp the $#!+ out me when I'm solo. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
1003
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:20:00 -
[255] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm Knock yourself out, I honestly don't care. I got nothing to hide. I played a bad round, we got pub stomped to the curb with 2 more anal holes added to our mercs butt so congrats! You can pubstomp the $#!+ out me when I'm solo.
1-7 bottom of the list
Never seen player run into the open so much LMFAO.
They not teach cover in Dust Uni... eh
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The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
1188
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:29:00 -
[256] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm Knock yourself out, I honestly don't care. I got nothing to hide. I played a bad round, we got pub stomped to the curb with 2 more anal holes added to our mercs butt so congrats! You can pubstomp the $#!+ out me when I'm solo. 1-7 bottom of the list Never seen player run into the open so much LMFAO. They not teach cover in Dust Uni... eh Bang bang? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
606
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:31:00 -
[257] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm Knock yourself out, I honestly don't care. I got nothing to hide. I played a bad round, we got pub stomped to the curb with 2 more anal holes added to our mercs butt so congrats! You can pubstomp the $#!+ out me when I'm solo. 1-7 bottom of the list Never seen player run into the open so much LMFAO. They not teach cover in Dust Uni... eh Ya did you the see the awesome looking stat fits I was using?
What happened to pics? I ran out so you could get my good side |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
1003
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:33:00 -
[258] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I thought regy would like to know that I just went 3/2 with 1200 WP do I need to post that embarrassing killboard fire... hmmm mm Knock yourself out, I honestly don't care. I got nothing to hide. I played a bad round, we got pub stomped to the curb with 2 more anal holes added to our mercs butt so congrats! You can pubstomp the $#!+ out me when I'm solo. 1-7 bottom of the list Never seen player run into the open so much LMFAO. They not teach cover in Dust Uni... eh Ya did you the see the awesome looking stat fits I was using? What happened to pics?
Don't worry bud you don't have to make excuses.
Everybody already knows Dust Uni is trash |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:33:00 -
[259] - Quote
I still make people look bad solo.
Oh here's for the guy that thought i don't drop 40+ matches on the regular.
Here's my last one, i can take pics every game if you like.
I know it's tough to believe but some of us are that good. xD |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
1188
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:37:00 -
[260] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:I still make people look bad solo. Oh here's for the guy that thought i don't drop 40+ matches on the regular. Here's my last one, i can take pics every game if you like. I know it's tough to believe but some of us are that good. xD Yo zatarted i heard that dust uni just opened up a section for zatarts like you BANG BANG |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
304
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:44:00 -
[261] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Sorry I keep my Gun loaded and locked. I'm usually winning the game on the front lines and easymode logis are to busy at the back farming WP Well everyone knows the only thing that takes even the slightest bit of skill in this game is PC, and if it's PC, you guys should just tell logis to **** off if they aren't important. If by PC you mean Plasma Cannon, I fully agree. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
607
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:45:00 -
[262] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:
Don't worry bud you don't have to make excuses.
Everybody already knows Dust Uni is trash
O ya totally. It's a wonder that this game is still here when morons like you play. I now know why PC lags. Your stupidity screws up the servers.
But hey whatever, I'll run out into the open a million times if I want to. Hell, I let my little bro trash a 1.5 mil incubus about 15 minutes ago +the 230k suit I was wearing. You can ask some people in D-Uni about that (ggggghhhhbbbb, or Cervantes)
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The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
1190
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:58:00 -
[263] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Don't worry bud you don't have to make excuses.
Everybody already knows Dust Uni is trash
O ya totally. It's a wonder that this game is still here when morons like you play. I now know why PC lags. Your stupidity screws up the servers. But hey whatever, I'll run out into the open a million times if I want to. Hell, I let my little bro trash a 1.5 mil incubus about 15 minutes ago +the 230k suit I was wearing. You can ask some people in D-Uni about that (ggggghhhhbbbb, or Cervantes) oHHHHOOOOOOOOHHHOohooohHOOhooHOhoHOhohohohO TURNNN UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
304
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:06:00 -
[264] - Quote
Alpha 443-6732 wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. So why can't logis be nerfed to a sidearm so they can't be super assaults? I'd accept a buff to their equipment to trade off. I don't understand how logis in this game can kill more effectively than assaults themselves. Sidearms are powerful enough as they are anyways (SMG and SP are godly in good hands). *sigh* Just because someone in a Logi suit is better at killing than you, all logis must be nerfed? You understand that skill>fittings, right? I feel that most assaults take their sidearms for granted or underestimate them, because as an Amarr Logi, I know what itit is like to have a sidearm and to not have one. They GREATLY increase you're ability to kill.
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
1003
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:07:00 -
[265] - Quote
The legend345 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Don't worry bud you don't have to make excuses.
Everybody already knows Dust Uni is trash
O ya totally. It's a wonder that this game is still here when morons like you play. I now know why PC lags. Your stupidity screws up the servers. But hey whatever, I'll run out into the open a million times if I want to. Hell, I let my little bro trash a 1.5 mil incubus about 15 minutes ago +the 230k suit I was wearing. You can ask some people in D-Uni about that (ggggghhhhbbbb, or Cervantes) oHHHHOOOOOOOOHHHOohooohHOOhooHOhoHOhohohohO TURNNN UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
he sounds mad |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
607
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:28:00 -
[266] - Quote
I'm so mad |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
181
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:25:00 -
[267] - Quote
Dust's is a confused role game,
Heavies are the worse example as they want to do as much damage as an assault yet tank more.
I thought seeing the initial framework of the game we where gonna have the tristar MMO part with the FPS shooter theme.
Basically a Tank, Healer, DPS.
Heavies want to do amazing damage.. yet have crazy tank abilities.. this is kinda confusing when you think that in a tank class aspect. Massive health Values, Massive clip sizes, Reduced dmg significantly, A HMG range that would allow them to defend themself's and advance. Moto: A heavy should take significant ammo expenditure to kill solo... and almost not be worth it unless cornered or with a team mate.
Assualt's have tanking bonus's... No natural damage bonus, no ability to carry uplink's when assaulting with a scanner or ammo... no way to really be a breach assault inflltrating bases full of defense and heavies.
Logi's... Why don't they have a needle built in?.. Again tank bonus's on suit instead of equipment.. Logi's SHOULD have WP incentive's greater and worth something so they focus on Ammo, Repar's, Revive's, Scan's and hacks.
When roles actually get clearly defined maybe WP's around their roles and achievement's can follow in suit.
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XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4700
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:30:00 -
[268] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:Dust's is a confused role game,
Heavies are the worse example as they want to do as much damage as an assault yet tank more.
I thought seeing the initial framework of the game we where gonna have the tristar MMO part with the FPS shooter theme.
Basically a Tank, Healer, DPS.
Heavies want to do amazing damage.. yet have crazy tank abilities.. this is kinda confusing when you think that in a tank class aspect. Massive health Values, Massive clip sizes, Reduced dmg significantly, A HMG range that would allow them to defend themself's and advance. Moto: A heavy should take significant ammo expenditure to kill solo... and almost not be worth it unless cornered or with a team mate.
Assualt's have tanking bonus's... No natural damage bonus, no ability to carry uplink's when assaulting with a scanner or ammo... no way to really be a breach assault inflltrating bases full of defense and heavies.
Logi's... Why don't they have a needle built in?.. Again tank bonus's on suit instead of equipment.. Logi's SHOULD have WP incentive's greater and worth something so they focus on Ammo, Repar's, Revive's, Scan's and hacks.
When roles actually get clearly defined maybe WP's around their roles and achievement's can follow in suit.
And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
115
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:30:00 -
[269] - Quote
Beld Errmon wrote:AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. AV is the hardest role in the game!
You actually have to aim, charge, ior lock on for three seconds. That's way to difficult |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1293
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:38:00 -
[270] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. AV is the hardest role in the game! You actually have to aim, charge, ior lock on for three seconds. That's way to difficult
Depends on the situation. In you're on the ground at eye level with av, then it's even and can be difficult if the tank runs out of view or behind cover of terrain or building.
Llavs can tank and run for the hills like crazy. Tanks can take all of my proficiency 4 swarms and walk away....and then i reload (for the 2nd time after first getting ammo from a hive or supply depot) and they're behind cover...
Only time av is OP is when you're up on a stupid building like most av's do. Thats the dumb part. CCP should make buildings destructible or design the maps better (I don't want the flight ceiling reintroduced that kept them from doing it before). |
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:39:00 -
[271] - Quote
XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4701
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:42:00 -
[272] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD
Sadly I die more to core nades then Proto AR |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:45:00 -
[273] - Quote
XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD Sadly I die more to core nades then Proto AR
If only they gave you 1 ehp more for every like you had on the forums we'd be beasts in an ocean of nublets xD |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
115
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:48:00 -
[274] - Quote
Ok, go one match without using nanohives, uplinks, or repair from anyone but yourself for an entire week. See where that gets you.
Logistics is a very hard class because of the fact that we are expensive to run (not that ISK is a problem for me or you), our actions have to be very strategic, only one Light Weapon Slot, and the fact that everyone fires at the logis first. Try telling field medics in the military that healing and resupply shouldn't be rewarded. I wanna see how long you'd live. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:41:00 -
[275] - Quote
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this fuzzing thread.
Ok kids, step into my time machine and we will go back a few months ago.
Logi Users During Open Beta Debut: (after they fixed some WP exploits like hurting a team mate an repping over an over)
"WAAAAAAH, our Logi suits are useless!" "We dont get any WP for anything!" "Assault Suit so much Gooder!?" "We used to be awesome super OP Stack Everything Pre Open BETA?!"
Few months go by and: *Caldari Logi Comes Along* .............. .............. .............. ..."This seems balanced right guys?" - Logi Users
And now we are here to whatever the hell it is now. I havent played in a long time.... long enough to accrue 3mil+ in passive most likely. It went from crappy to godly in a few months and its because of the players. So dont complain for something the majority asked for, which is more WP for actions other than killing.
But most of the people asking for that werent logi's at the time, it was a general consensus that you should get WP for more things.... i bet being near sighted sucks dont it! HAHAHAHAH |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:48:00 -
[276] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. AV is the hardest role in the game! You actually have to aim, charge, ior lock on for three seconds. That's way to difficult Lock on for .3 seconds. |
Beforcial
REAPERS REPUBLIC
33
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:54:00 -
[277] - Quote
Anita Hardone wrote:LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this fuzzing thread.
Ok kids, step into my time machine and we will go back a few months ago.
Logi Users During Open Beta Debut: (after they fixed some WP exploits like hurting a team mate an repping over an over)
"WAAAAAAH, our Logi suits are useless!" "We dont get any WP for anything!" "Assault Suit so much Gooder!?" "We used to be awesome super OP Stack Everything Pre Open BETA?!"
Few months go by and: *Caldari Logi Comes Along* .............. .............. .............. ..."This seems balanced right guys?" - Logi Users
And now we are here to whatever the hell it is now. I havent played in a long time.... long enough to accrue 3mil+ in passive most likely. It went from crappy to godly in a few months and its because of the players. So dont complain for something the majority asked for, which is more WP for actions other than killing.
But most of the people asking for that werent logi's at the time, it was a general consensus that you should get WP for more things.... i bet being near sighted sucks dont it! HAHAHAHAH
Your time machine felt drunk...
Please re-explain the point you where trying to make. I am stupid.
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
105
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:02:00 -
[278] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
The Logi...
Clearly, what is interesting is your lack of vision.
if that logi had saved your team 20 or even 10 clones, whilst ensuring your team mates keep supplied with ammo, repairing armour, locating the targets you kill and providing you clear and safe places to spawn... for your whole team... whilst also killing 5 of their guys....
I would say that is far more useful to the wholes team, rather than one e-peen obsessed meat head assault.
You're clearly looking at this game from a solo point of view, this is your failing my good man... my guess is that either your not that nice to be around or you just have no mates.
also...
as a logi you will find that I will kill 15, lose one or two in a match as well... whilst doing all the above, for my mates and team mates.
I'd like to see any team win a PC match with out logis... again, as you have no mates, my guess is you have never been in a PC match. |
Rudy Vandersario
Famous Wolf
98
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:36:00 -
[279] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:I still make people look bad solo. Oh here's for the guy that thought i don't drop 40+ matches on the regular. Here's my last one, i can take pics every game if you like. I know it's tough to believe but some of us are that good. xD
Yeah go on then, post pics of every single match you have, I look forward to seeing every single one 40+.
If you can actually do that all the time (not just occasionally) then I would politely tip my hat to you. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:37:00 -
[280] - Quote
I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. |
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
263
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:41:00 -
[281] - Quote
Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone.
Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:55:00 -
[282] - Quote
Being a "slayer" seems like it is easier. After-all, all you need to do as a slayer is pick up a weapon, point it at an enemy, and push a button, while managing your location and having some situational awareness.
A logi has to manage their weapon and location to counter enemies whilst checking their allies health and heal as necessary, dropping nanohives in good locations, making sure a drop uplink is in a strategic and out of the way location nearby the action, reviving fallen allies, all very often within a small window of time. Being a logi in a close match can be rather frantic and involve quite a bit of multi-tasking to be at near optimal efficiency.
That being said, some "slayer" and survival -type rewards would be welcome. I can think of quite a few, but that is beyond the scope of this topic. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1041
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Posted - 2013.10.12 09:47:00 -
[283] - Quote
You know that heavies have the hardest role of them all, and they only get points for kills and kill assists. They don't even have an equipment to get any other form of points.
It's heavies that need some love. Logistics are fine. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:38:00 -
[284] - Quote
Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:47:00 -
[285] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds.
sooo...assault do need a buff because a slightly faster suit that has a sidearm < way higher pg/cpu +5r/s + equip slots galore? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:53:00 -
[286] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds. sooo...assault do need a buff because a slightly faster suit that has a sidearm < way higher pg/cpu +5r/s + equip slots galore? Sort of, assaults are like a glass cannon. Alone they can be a bit worry-some but if you got a group of them, than you have your hands full.
The reason for the slots etc on the logi is because of this: who reps a logi? What will happen to the logi when he is the only one left standing in his/her squad? |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
|
Posted - 2013.10.12 12:54:00 -
[287] - Quote
SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need.
Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team.
All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1045
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:21:00 -
[288] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Heh You just proved why the assault suits are fine.
Besides, you also just proved that if assaults do their job right, the logistics don't need to support. Meaning that Logistics would earn less in the battle...completely nullifying the point made in the OP. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
436
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:24:00 -
[289] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Wow that sounds like a lot of....'fun'
Hope I never have to be on his side in a match and have to experience that kind of 'team play'
Thanks but no thanks.
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
105
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:25:00 -
[290] - Quote
I-Shayz-I wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win. Heh You just proved why the assault suits are fine. Besides, you also just proved that if assaults do their job right, the logistics don't need to support. Meaning that Logistics would earn less in the battle...completely nullifying the point made in the OP.
perfect LOGIc...
this thread can be locked now |
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1828
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:28:00 -
[291] - Quote
Logi's are worthless and should be removed from the game.
Just sayin' |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
87
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:30:00 -
[292] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
It's all about competition for WP.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the ratio is currently 4:1. This is not that wild of an assumption in my opinion. There would then be a single logi acquiring WP from 4 people running around taking advantage of their services. These logis compete with only a few others per match for the total WP gained from logistics while the assaults compete with the majority of the team.
Now flip the ratio...
The 4 logis are competing for the WP from one person. Each logi would then be happy to get a few hundred WP out of the one assault character. Alternatively, the WP from slaying would fall onto the shoulders of just a few and the WP would increase for each assault character.
TL;DR: Logis earn more WP than any one assault because there is less competition among logis than there is among assault characters. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
87
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:35:00 -
[293] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Then the logis on his team shouldn't be able to earn many points off of him. If anything he should be complaining that every other assault character on his team is horrible and feeding the logi's WP. Or argue that if they suck at assault then they should play logi instead, thus balancing the assault:logi ratio.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the way the game is setup, it's just how many people want to run and gun all game while fewer enjoy being a support role. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:00:00 -
[294] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
Assaults can do this stuff too. They just need to change fits more, so your point is? |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:01:00 -
[295] - Quote
My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job.
Exhibit 1 Exhibit 2 |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:09:00 -
[296] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit
Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
566
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:22:00 -
[297] - Quote
Fire of Prometheus wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) ^^This
No one's quoted me yet, time to unsubscribe from this thread :3
But it's the person that uses the suit that makes it an Assault suit. This is Dust after all, you make it what you want it to be. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
616
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:26:00 -
[298] - Quote
Patrick57 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) ^^This No one's quoted me yet, time to unsubscribe from this thread :3 But it's the person that uses the suit that makes it an Assault suit. This is Dust after all, you make it what you want it to be. Quoted you :p
But agreed, as I'm sure everyone saw, I went against regy in a pub, got stomped on and received another hole on my behind.
I'm a logi, I don't assault very much.
My experience is as a logi.
Therefore why would I do good when I'm wearing a starter medic suit?
If a really good player that is used to assaulting put on the logi suit, it would yield probably better results than if they were wearing an assault suit (this on a proto level). |
Beyond Creation
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
21
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:30:00 -
[299] - Quote
WP is like an assaults kills. Without so much points you'd wonder, what the hell was this guy doing to get so little kills. And its should be rewarded as such. repping someone isn't nearly as fun as killing someone. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:33:00 -
[300] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you crying like a little btch? Grow some and just play the fking game. Yeah, I'll be taking your place on the leader board. Deal with it.
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:33:00 -
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Beyond Creation wrote:WP is like an assaults kills. Without so much points you'd wonder, what the hell was this guy doing to get so little kills. And its should be rewarded as such. repping someone isn't nearly as fun as killing someone.
But you can kill just fine as a logi! And thus eat your cake (with bacon) as well! |
Beyond Creation
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:35:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Beyond Creation wrote:WP is like an assaults kills. Without so much points you'd wonder, what the hell was this guy doing to get so little kills. And its should be rewarded as such. repping someone isn't nearly as fun as killing someone. But you can kill just fine as a logi! And thus eat your cake (with bacon) as well!
Well I run plasma cannon, it fits the support role, doesn't get me massive amounts of kills, but it's the ****.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:41:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Aight.
You ensured that your team wins, logibro ensured your team doesnt lose.
Check and mate brah. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:30:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD Sadly I die more to core nades then Proto AR If only they gave you 1 ehp more for every like you had on the forums we'd be beasts in an ocean of nublets xD
That would be awesome |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:39:00 -
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1 are logis supposed to do the assaults job? 2 deaths don't take away from wp so him having 15 is irrelevant 3 stop trying to be so arrogant your not the most important person on the team regardless of how you veiw yourself 4 your k/d would drop if the blueberry meatsheilds didn't distract reds while you shoot them, they would be in the way if they didn't have a good spawn |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.10.13 04:02:00 -
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No counter post? |
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