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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:21:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you angry at someone that's helping the team, while all you're doing is killing? |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:25:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Sorry I keep my Gun loaded and locked. I'm usually winning the game on the front lines and easymode logis are to busy at the back farming WP I hear someone is trying to make a top tier corp, maybe you should join it. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:27:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. 1. I preach it and teach it. 2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st... 3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying LOL You're complaining about something that doesn't matter. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:48:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Some KDR scrub, obviously. I'd prefer someone that can keep me alive. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
Nope , using AV is not Equally easy since you have to have into consideration a lot of stuff , like terrain,having height advantage, that the tank doesnt see you , teamwork,etcetc.. Using an AR is just stack 2-3 Cx Damage mods, aim in general direction and hold r1. 50+50+50+50....I even Dropped a Hurt Dropship with a GEK.LOL Tankers exagerate and QQ a lot more than necessary, dont try to deny it ;) AV is easy. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:35:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping from dropping equipment and passively farming WP is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my sidearm. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me to survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill Because you're not actively helping your team with ammo, reps, forward spawn points, and scanning. Do you even squad up? |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:44:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Lol do another ambush without any ammo supplied by a logi or depot, an we ll see if ur still complaining I often have to do all that myself. Put down a ton of uplinks, ammo in a good spot, then if there's an enemy tank, forge it myself. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:56:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Logis, duh. Just have them pull out the assault logi fit. Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. Make post like that again, without thinking, and I will personally run your entire corp out of PC for a month. I respect University for somewhat trying to educate the masses. However, my tolerance for ignorance only goes so far. Tread lightly little merc... LOL Who are you to threaten an entire corp because of what one guy said? You'll single-handedly fight them in PC after PC battle to take away all their districts? |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:58:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you angry at someone that's helping the team, while all you're doing is killing? Spkr come man lets not play this game dude. Me dropping 29-0 in 50 kill game is not helping.. eh. All I want to see is young fresh killers to specialize in assaults suits, and not be forced to go Logi for easy WP. That's best done on Call of Duty, where there aren't any roles to worry about. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:46:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:For the record, I have proto suits, both assault and logi and all equipment and weapons at proto level asweell.
To try and answer all at once:
1. Most Logi players seems to think that assault players need the backup of a logi, in most cases this simply isn't true. A shield tanked assault woth a nanohive is more or less self sufficient. When I run my assault suit, I don't expect or need anything from the Logibros, they're mostly annoying when they try to repair my shield tanked suit....
2. When I run as a logi I normally use upljnks, hives and a scanner, I can easily rack up loads of WPs for no real effort, and thats without even carrying a needle and a repper. Its EZ-mode in terms of WP gain.
3. Some are still delusional and claims that the logi suits are better for the slayer role than the assault suits are, this is not so. This claim mostly seem to come from terrible assault players that QQ when they get owned by a logi. I have yet to meet a player which have both suits at proto level make this claim.
4. Hearing some of the dudes here, even the experienced ones that should know better saying: "I help out the team, while all you're doing is shooting people in the face", well, it makes me sad. When a player goes 29-0 in a gamemode that needs 50 kills for the win, he's probably more or less carrying the entire team to victory, we're talking ambush here.
5. I do get more kills on average with my assault fit, this is mostly due to speed. Well, and the sidearm. Its the speed and stamina of the suit, its the faster speed of the shield regen and to a small degree the strafe speed. Scanning for my squad takes up a lot of timeactually. So if I get 20 kills in the assult suit I'd probably get 15 kills with logi suit, and about twice or more WPs earned due to casually tossing some uplinks here and there....
6. Why do you even care Corruption? Let the scrubs get their silly amount of WPs so they're deluded to think they matter enough to keep playing the game feeding my ego and yours with more easy kills.... Or, you know, stand on a nanohive and spam grenades.......... |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:48:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? yeah because aim assisted point and shoot is really hard to do, right? beside that, you get less WP because you decided to run alone, self sufficent and not to care about anyone else. instead, carry an injector/scanner/triage hive and help your teammates out. if you are that good, then it should not be a problem to kill and get some extra WP by helping your team at the same time. let the logis do the ammo supply. additionally, no one stops you from getting into a logi suit and set up uplinks at the beginning of the match and then switch to your assault suit. oh and btw, the better your team is compared to the opposition the less WP logis get. logis get less important when you are starting to win/stomp. Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. the difference is, logi ships in eve are tough and hard to take out even with concentrated fire, especially because they can spider tank very efficiently, a pack of logi ships can sustain their hp for very long time on themself through concentrated fire. . they also have HUGE ranges on shield transporters and remote armor repairers, they dont need to sit next to high DPS close range weaponry. logi in dust sits right next to you and suffers from the same beating as you do. Maybe if we get remote modules in a year's time, the range on them will be buffed a noticeable amount. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Next OP will be asking for killstreaks and attack dogs LOL! |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:47:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! You're doing it wrong. |
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. AV is the hardest role in the game! You actually have to aim, charge, ior lock on for three seconds. That's way to difficult Lock on for .3 seconds. |
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