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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1762
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't
The community spoke Reg. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:32:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer.
In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost
It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis
I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:34:00 -
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All this bs is making me hungry, ill cya later regy, can I call you regy? |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:36:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words.
Does it change anything no. I put with you because training corp and for the most you do some good. However, when the hell does a training corp have the right to belittle me. Yo own PC space because for the most part the big boys like me let. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:38:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words nah those five words is all I need Lolz you can't even count. If you go to ur OP about me calling u a scrub, there is 6 words. Does it change anything no. I put with you because training corp and for the most you do some good. However, when the hell does a training corp have the right to belittle me. Yo own PC space because for the most part the big boys like me let. Removing adjectives no make you sentence easier read. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
989
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:39:00 -
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Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:40:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Jack McReady wrote: and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo.
This what they teach in Dust University Assault player who kills a lot = Selfish. Good to see unversity still has the same old mentality Bad players teaching bad habbits
Don't be a ****, we all have our own minds.
There's nothing selfish about being an effective assault as far as I'm concerned. All roles are required, and if killing is your strength, then there is no more effective way to multiply that strength than to play a role which is designed for it.
On the other hand it would also be silly to call logistics less skilled, because the most effective logistics will require the same amount of combat skills if not more. Overly passive logistics may be overpaid right now, but I'm sure we're all in agreement that a logistics going 20:2 is working a lot harder than an assault going 20:2. |
Michael Epic
Universal Militia Contractings
40
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:53:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't
You want someone to counter your points? I will surely do that for you. Just because you asked so nicely. *thumbs up*
First off...go seek out a thread I created yesterday called "Lets Start a FIRE" and read it.
Now...are you seriously bitching about logistics players? Are you serious? You miss the whole point of this game. This game isn't about KILLING PEOPLE (minus Ambush mode of course) its about corporations, gaining acreage in the space system and destroying enemy MCC's to overtake that acreage. Killing people is a byproduct of that.
Like any other battle or war....you basically gotta kill folks to get the job done. So yeah..all your points NULL AND ******* VOID ************.
*takes a deep breath* Sorry about that...you whiners frustrates me. Moving on.
So lets see...you go 29-0. I bet you feel like a big man don't you? 29.00 KDR woo hoo I bet you get on facebook and text all your friends and they go good job man you're the man you're my hero, lemme S your D off!
No? Oh...well, bummer.
Logi's:
Spawns (helps the team) Ammo (helps the team) Healing (helps the team) Scanning (helps the team) Remote explosives (blowing up equipment and bad guys...helps the team)
so lets do some math 29 x 50pts = 1450WP.
That's 58 respawns from a droplinks 29 deaths via remote explosives, AR's, sub MG's, MD's, Imperial SR's, whatever.
So all YOU are doing is getting 29 kills? You're the lazy sum'***** that has me wondering why YOU get so many WP for just killing folks when I'm out there laying droplinks, taking precautions to make sure they're not found quickly or when found can hold up...I'm laying remote explosives on the NULL cannons to save us a change over if possible...
I'm out there hustling my ass off for the greater good of the team and all YOU are doing is killing baddies and boosting YOUR KDR and giving yourself a good ego jerk?
Yeah sorry buddy but your entire argument has zero valid points and seems like just a child crying like a little baby.
Does ReGnYuM need a diapie change? *grabs gloves* I don't normally do this... |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1511
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:06:00 -
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Stimuli: A support class is rewarded for performing a support role. Response: ReGnYuM moans in having to share the spotlight.
Stimuli: Pure imbalance permits him to go 29-0. Response: ReGnYuM finds something to whine about.
Stimuli: Broken matchmaking permits him to always win. Response: ReGnYuM confusedly invokes the word "skill" as if a pubstomp requires any.
Stimuli: The good guys (Dust Uni) challenge his absurd position. Response: ReGnYuM proceeds to threaten and demand apology.
I would appear that ReGnYuM's sense of entitlement has reached an all-time high. Positive stimuli consistently invoking negative response ... such behavior brings to mind a spoiled little girl. Perhaps CCP should consider offering negative stimuli to their beloved brat class -- namely ReGnYuM -- in hopes of inducing positive response.
They could start by balancing the Assault frame, such that it no longer has a Heavy's eHP and a Scout's mobility. If ReGnYuM's entitlements were taken away, perhaps then he could grasp the importance of a support class. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
991
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:07:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't You want someone to counter your points? I will surely do that for you. Just because you asked so nicely. *thumbs up* First off...go seek out a thread I created yesterday called "Lets Start a FIRE" and read it. Now...are you seriously bitching about logistics players? Are you serious? You miss the whole point of this game. This game isn't about KILLING PEOPLE (minus Ambush mode of course) its about corporations, gaining acreage in the space system and destroying enemy MCC's to overtake that acreage. Killing people is a byproduct of that. Like any other battle or war....you basically gotta kill folks to get the job done. So yeah..all your points NULL AND ******* VOID ************. *takes a deep breath* Sorry about that...you whiners frustrates me. Moving on. So lets see...you go 29-0. I bet you feel like a big man don't you? 29.00 KDR woo hoo I bet you get on facebook and text all your friends and they go good job man you're the man you're my hero, lemme S your D off! No? Oh...well, bummer. Logi's: Spawns (helps the team) Ammo (helps the team) Healing (helps the team) Scanning (helps the team) Remote explosives (blowing up equipment and bad guys...helps the team) so lets do some math 29 x 50pts = 1450WP. That's 58 respawns from a droplinks 29 deaths via remote explosives, AR's, sub MG's, MD's, Imperial SR's, whatever. So all YOU are doing is getting 29 kills? You're the lazy sum'***** that has me wondering why YOU get so many WP for just killing folks when I'm out there laying droplinks, taking precautions to make sure they're not found quickly or when found can hold up...I'm laying remote explosives on the NULL cannons to save us a change over if possible... I'm out there hustling my ass off for the greater good of the team and all YOU are doing is killing baddies and boosting YOUR KDR and giving yourself a good ego jerk? Yeah sorry buddy but your entire argument has zero valid points and seems like just a child crying like a little baby. Does ReGnYuM need a diapie change? *grabs gloves* I don't normally do this...
1. Not bitching stating a fact: Logi is easymode for WP gain
2. Every FPS, including Dust, is centered around killing. Support ie Logistic is designed to augment my ability to kill
3. If Dust 514 like any other AAA shooter had stat rely system. I would gladly share my stats on Facebook. Oh wait can't to that
4. Yeah I must be lazy if I am dropping 30 bombs in ambush, ya know actually reducing tickets. Furthermore, if it is so easy why do I rarely see anybody above me in kills.
5. Lastly, my killing is factor of you winning |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
991
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:12:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote: Stimuli: A support class is rewarded for performing a support role. Response: ReGnYuM moans in having to share the spotlight.
Stimuli: Pure imbalance permits him to go 29-0. Response: ReGnYuM finds something to whine about.
Stimuli: Broken matchmaking permits him to always win. Response: ReGnYuM confusedly invokes the word "skill" as if a pubstomp requires any.
Stimuli: The good guys (Dust Uni) challenge his absurd position. Response: ReGnYuM proceeds to threaten and demand apology.
I would appear that ReGnYuM's sense of entitlement has reached an all-time high. Positive stimuli consistently invoking negative response ... such behavior brings to mind a spoiled little girl. Perhaps CCP should consider offering negative stimuli to their beloved brat class -- namely ReGnYuM -- in hopes of inducing positive response.
They could start by balancing the Assault frame, such that it no longer has a Heavy's eHP and a Scout's mobility. If ReGnYuM's entitlements were taken away, perhaps then he could grasp the importance of a support class.
Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
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Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
139
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:14:00 -
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Wow, come off your high horse buddy, and join the rest of us on the ground. So a logi nearly matched you in WP. Then they were doing their job I would say.
So you think you deserve more WP for killing, you topped the leaderboard, what the hell are you crying about. |
Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
I agree with you to an extent. I feel that without such large wp values logis may not take the risk that comes with using support equipment. Providing ways for slayers to receive more wp isn't a bad thing it just has to be done carefully. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1511
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:21:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote: Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
Please and thank you! ReGnYuM's gonna show us how to do it right!
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
453
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:22:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that
It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage.
Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous:
Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!".
Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that???
I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me.
So...
If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more. |
Wombat in combat
TeamPlayers EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:23:00 -
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There are a couple of reasons for this, without listing them all up the most important one is a single logi can have 19 nanohives and 19 drop uplinks active at any given time (23 if you count the AUR ones).
Putting a hard cap would alleviate this issue and potentially reduce the massive amount of PC city lag. Max 8 nanos and 8 uplinks per person I would say. That and stop awarding WP for a a quick second revive. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:25:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage. Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous: Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!". Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that??? I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me. So... If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more.
So Logi bros should be paying me then
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:26:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:27:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened.
wait and see |
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:28:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire it is all good :D
PS: get on Dust so you can see all the notifications light up Haha what notifications? Nothing has happened. wait and see Ooooo goody a surprise!!!! :D |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1153
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:30:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:ReGnYuM wrote: Shotty I can't wait until my scout videos finish rendering. So I can finally just call bad, and you can stop hiding behind your suit as an excuse.
Please and thank you! ReGnYuM's gonna show us how to do it right!
Oh if course he is ..... hes a walking f@#king batalian of knowledge of cod boy bullshit.... lets see him top the boards as a proper logibro not a murder logi.
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:34:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I believe more 'slaying' WP are coming in the form of revenge kills / multiples ect.
Good deal, more ways to get points in my logistics suit. I am trying to grow a very nice WP to Death ratio, this will help even more lol. |
Lt Hightower
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:37:00 -
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I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol |
Zimander
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:38:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
I'm running logi and revive killed team resupplying dropping up links give me more WP then in Assault or Heavy but my K/D is lower or even worst then im in Assault drop suit
Soooo
if u have problem with Logi getting more-less then same WP like assault Spec to Logi and then u gone be happy siting behind someone helping him win battle |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:38:00 -
[206] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:1) Being a slayer more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. In the PLT Finals AE vs TP you know why TP lost It wasn't because we did not have enough Logis I value good slayer at least 3:! towards a good logi. If you played PC you understand that It's all about team composition...but a team without a (good) logi is always at a severe disadvantage. Let me explain why this entire discussion is ridiculous: Complaining about logis earning too much SP/ISK is like me complaining about moon miners in EVE earning more ISK than me PVP'ing. It's like me saying "omg, moon miners earn so much more ISK but my PVP'ing is so much more important!". Problem is, without the moon miner I wouldn't have any ships to fly when PVP'ing. Yes, they generally earn more than the average PVP'er. But why on earth should I care about that??? I play EVE to PVP. I don't care what others do or how much ISK they make. What I care about is that I can PVP. How much ISK a moon miner makes has ZERO influence on me. So... If you want to play as an assault, play as an assault. If you want to play as a logi, play as a logi. If you are mad that a logi gets points for both helping the entire team (saving them money and allowing them to fight better) AND killing...then maybe it's time to fit a hive yourself...or an injector...or uplinks. That way, you will also help your team by more than just killing stuff. Or just make up for it by having to kill more. So Logi bros should be paying me then
Why should they be paying you??? Oh, right...save someone 150k and then also having to pay for it because the assault doesn't think it's fair the logi gets points for saving his ass.
Sounds reasonable |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol
I generally don't revive people unless the area's secured...but him I'd revive over and over and over again in the line of fire (and then brag about the points). |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6881
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:53:00 -
[208] - Quote
Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol Speed scout with a nanite injector
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
992
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:59:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Lt Hightower wrote:I say anytime we see Regy on our team from now on we should all just follow him around with a rep tool. lol I generally don't revive people unless the area's secured...but him I'd revive over and over and over again in the line of fire (and then brag about the points).
repping a shield tanker lol |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
3248
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:17:00 -
[210] - Quote
This thread kinda....sucks. |
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