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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2836
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Well,actually ; Killing with an AR is easier than being a logi IMO.But i wouldnt mind a little more points for surviving....
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
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Cosgar
ParagonX
5790
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! Good post brah way to counter my points... oh wait you can't Didn't you used to preach KDR is everything? Why should you give a flux about WP? If a logi is beating you on the leader boards, maybe you should pull your weight more. 1. I preach it and teach it. 2. If you actually could read you would know I topped 1st... 3. How is going 29-0 in 50 kill ambush not pulling my weight. That is the very definition carrying
Then why do you care about logis getting WP? You got your all important stat and we got ours. I'm starting to think you're butthurt just to be butthurt about something. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right?
1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn random uplink.
2. I carry my own ammo
3. I shield tank, why would I want reps
So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 -
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They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). |
8213
Grade No.2
346
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
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News flash: You're not a slayer. You're a selfish killwhore.
Slayers aren't supposed to just rack up kills. They are suppose to kill specific players. They don't get the most kills they get the strategic kills.
Defense kills, defending an objective.
Offense kills, clearing out and protecting objective takers.
Neutralizing the other teams slayer.
Killwhoring a bunch of Militia noobs accomplishes nothing. Its just selfish K/D buffing, even in Ambush.
In DUST you can go 50-0 and still lose. You may not need a Logo, but you're team as a whole won't win without one. I've gone 30s-0 and had my squad go 100-0 and still lost, because a revived clone means nothing on the scoreboard. |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
Ascension Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
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If you're so worried about kills perhaps you should mosey on along to CoD. Don't forget your helmet and to drool on your chin, however. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:18:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers. Too bad roles are not weighted equally space commy. There is reason logistics are called support.
Someone being called support doesn't mean they are unimportant. It means their abilities enhance the group rather than just themselves.
Each role "should" be weighted equally. This game is terribly broken in its current state. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:19:00 -
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Wait isn't this that guy whose opinions no one cares about because they are so ill informed? |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:19:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc
Because that is their job.
ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
Because that is their job.
You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win).
Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC?
Anyways heres my question to real PC players
What would you want more in PC team
The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi
I know who I would choose |
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
433
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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Except it's not. Logis get next to nothing when you're winning by a landslide, slayers get all the WP. If Logis are getting alot of WP, slayers just need to get better. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1115
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
How would you be able to shoot bullets if that True Logi didn't put don that hive?
How would you be not going in the deep red if that logi didn't stick you?
How Would you Be able to Respawn near the Objective if the Logi didn't put the droplink down?
How would you know where to shoot if that logi didn't scan the area for you?
Ah, yes and they all have to be SMART about where these equipments are placed so they aren't popped by any dummy with a flux?
Why does it even bother you if a logi tops the leaderboards? Does it offend your ego? |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
421
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 -
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You might get points too...
...maybe if you weren't using your equipment slot to carry around:
1. Your huge ego
2. Excessive vanity
3. Bucket full of tears
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
But using Swarm, Forge, AV Nade is even easier and don't even try to deny it. Fire and forget weapons.....
Nope , using AV is not Equally easy since you have to have into consideration a lot of stuff , like terrain,having height advantage, that the tank doesnt see you , teamwork,etcetc..
Using an AR is just stack 2-3 Cx Damage mods, aim in general direction and hold r1.
50+50+50+50....
I even Dropped a Hurt Dropship with a GEK.LOL
Tankers exagerate and QQ a lot more than necessary, dont try to deny it ;) |
Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Not you because, you'd spend the entire time whining. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:21:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Balance is key...
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Bittersteel the Bastard
Hell's Gate Inc
644
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:22:00 -
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I feel like every once in a while Regnyum gets sad because of his emotional issues and comes trolling to try and get attention. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:23:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:rewarding killing any more than it is now, would be cancer. This game is supposed to be about overall warfare, not just a CoD shoot em' up fantasy like you "MLG" guys seem to want it to be.
Everyone needs to be rewarded equally for their work, not just the people pulling the triggers. Too bad roles are not weighted equally space commy. There is reason logistics are called support.
And they should be rewarded more for doing something that ppl tend not to want to do. It's called incentive. Without it everyone will just go vanilla assault for the kills. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:23:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Are you daft man
I said the role was easy
there are high KDR logis out there who I would take over if they had the same KDR as an assault.
If the Assault KDR is equal to a Logi KDR, I am taking the logis because they can do anything an assault can and better. What good is an extra sidearm going to do for me when I can have extra equipment instead
Also I never said a team of just logis, I said a team with logis, you need your eyes examined. |
Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
423
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:24:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose Balance is key...
Exactly I was about to say, having a balance of both on a team. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
970
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
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Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended.
Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry.
Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer.
So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Slayers,
they make everyone just give up |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
This sounds like the guys I served with in the infantry. It is an unwise philosophy. Everyone thinks they are the only ones doing a "real" job. |
Alpha 443-6732
PEN 15 CLUB
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill
Im all for nerfing logis offensive capabilities, but there is absolutely no way to keep track of killstreaks and how someone died in a real combat situation, besides the obvious events. |
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
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You just made me realize how great bf is all classes are equal assault can heal and revive people-points...support gives people ammo-points....recon leave spawn beacons and can lock onto vehicles for rpg and guided shell-points....engineer blow up vehicles and can repair them-points...I agree with you 100% but you also just showed me another reason why battlefield is great |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Captain Crutches wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc Because that is their job. ReGnYuM wrote:However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing. Because that is their job. You went 29-0 and got a ton of WP from killing. Logibro went 4-15 and made up for it by getting a ton of WP from logi-ing. Working as intended. Firstly, there is really nothing stopping a Logi from slaying semi what effectively. He has a primary. However, what's stopping me is the amount of equipment I can carry. Why is the Logi allowed to double dip in WP gain, but I cant. The advantage I have is my side. Therefore, I can kill multiple targets faster than a Logi. My speed makes me faster and allows me survive longer. So why can't I be reward for surviving with kills, and the speed at which I kill
You answered your own question. Your points come from raw kills. If you don't like that then stop being a macho man and run logi. Then you can enjoy more points for being more useful than just being a dumb run and gun grunt. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1115
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:31:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Logis, duh.
Just have them pull out the assault logi fit.
Ammo, Droplinks, Scanners, AND more HP then an Assault. |
Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:32:00 -
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Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2603
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:34:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:They are an easy role
But go hate something else. Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? Anyways heres my question to real PC players What would you want more in PC team The greatest slayer in the game or the greatest Logi I know who I would choose
Trick question. A great logi is nothing more than admitting your backline player is the best slayer. |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
803
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:35:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
DUDE YOU FRIGGEN MAKE ME LAUGH!
Lol I was reading op thinking is this dude for real?, seen ur post an fell off my chair =ƒوى |
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