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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:08:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns
Ammo
Healing
Scanning
...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win?
yeah because aim assisted point and shoot is really hard to do, right? 
beside that, you get less WP because you decided to run alone, self sufficent and not to care about anyone else.
instead, carry an injector/scanner/triage hive and help your teammates out. if you are that good, then it should not be a problem to kill and get some extra WP by helping your team at the same time. let the logis do the ammo supply. additionally, no one stops you from getting into a logi suit and set up uplinks at the beginning of the match and then switch to your assault suit.
oh and btw, the better your team is compared to the opposition the less WP logis get. logis get less important when you are starting to win/stomp.
Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match.
the difference is, logi ships in eve are tough and hard to take out even with concentrated fire, especially because they can spider tank very efficiently, a pack of logi ships can sustain their hp for very long time on themself through concentrated fire. . they also have HUGE ranges on shield transporters and remote armor repairers, they dont need to sit next to high DPS close range weaponry.
logi in dust sits right next to you and suffers from the same beating as you do. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:42:00 -
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the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Jack McReady wrote:the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. 1. Slaying/ Assault has been a role in every FPS to date. Furthermore, going 29-0 in a 50 kill game is not providing for the team? 2. I believe fully in specialization for the purpose of planetary conquest. 3. My decision to play the most important role in Dust 514? I made two simple points in my thread 1. Logi gains a insane amount WP for the amount of skill required. 2. I think assaults and slayers should also get extra WP for battle efficiency.
and I also made two simple points:
first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would either mean, your team were full of new players dieing left and right, thus he could get all the WP by reviving and uplink spawns in which case he deserved it.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
684
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:33:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did
this...
maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it.
and again this:
first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:58:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100% I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread. It's like this question: What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
I would not say he is a scrub, he is a good player, it is just the typical tunnelvision that you encounter in dust...
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