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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:01:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
581
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:12:00 -
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Your an idiot.
Who reps the logi?
What happens when the assaults are being kill wh0res and don't protect the logi that's going for the revive?
Who resupplies the logi? |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
609
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:22:00 -
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GO HEAVIES! |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
671
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:42:00 -
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the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Top Men.
147
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:07:00 -
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Oh man, another troll thread about logis and here we are on page seven with ya'll eating it up. +1 OP! |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:11:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Oh man, another troll thread about logis and here we are on page seven with ya'll eating it up. +1 OP! It's people like this that encourage trolls. |
Sephirian Fair
0uter.Heaven
105
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:39:00 -
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While I think ReGnYuM has gone about it in a rather poor manner, I do believe there should be more WP rewards based on killing targets. Not so much the killstreak WP gains, but I could see that being okay if after 5 kills, every kill after that gave an extra 5 or 10 points. A little too COD for my tastes, but it isn't a terrible idea.
However, I would greatly support WP gains for Savior and Revenge kills. An example would be 20 extra points for killing a target damaging a friendly would be a Savior bonus, and 10 points for dropping a target that had just recently killed a friendly would be a Revenge bonus.
Other bonuses they should add should come directly from the Battlefield series. Attacker and Defender bonuses around Null Cannon points that don't require the stupid squad command system. If you kill a target around a friendly point, a few extra points given as a Defender bonus. If you kill a target near an enemy Null Cannon, a few extra points given as an Attacker bonus.
HVT bonus points could be given out for dropping a target that is on a big kill streak. Might give more incentive to pay attention to who is the most dangerous target and try to kill him.
There are a lot of little things they could add that would add a little extra enjoyment to the game.
I'm not gonna comment on the Logi stuff. I honestly don't give a damn about the amount of WP they are earning. That's why I am making suggestions about how Slayers can earn some more WP doing what they do. These are simple additions, but I fear the stupid Orbital mechanic in Pub matches will prevent a lot of these ideas from being implemented. |
Drapedup Drippedout
G.U.T.Z
31
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:50:00 -
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I touched on this a week ago on here...Its not that logi's are OP, but rather CCP's failure to make the assault dropsuit a balanced fit.
An assault dropsuit (other than the passive racial bonus) is at a severe disadvantage to any logi suit. A Callogi can run a pg AND cpu enhancer and still have (almost, 4 hi's for callogi 5 hi's for min assault) the same number of hi's and low's after equipping the cpu and pg mods as a proto assault. The only major differences is logi suits can't carry side arm. This hardly makes up for their "role" differences.
For a class such as FLF where we only get 1 equip slot, the majority of our WP is expected to come from kills. However the logi suit loadout is actually more adept at running a 'killer' class. Mainly because our dmg mods (needed for improved WP) eat up our high slots, whereas logi's WP production comes from the 3 equip slots not Hi's or Low's.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1704
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
44 likes.... i'll say is very conclusive, the OP IS a idiot. |
lrian Locust
We Who Walk Alone
187
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:41:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Team with Logis wins and you know that. They are in high demand, and according to the laws of Supply and Demand, they will be handsomely rewarded for what they do (help win). Really so a team of Logi would beat of slayers in PC? That's not what Bojo said. Stop twisting his words, or learn to read.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1108
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:42:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. It is done that way by design in the sole goal of trolling you. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1321
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:45:00 -
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Next OP will be asking for killstreaks and attack dogs |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:46:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:For the record, I have proto suits, both assault and logi and all equipment and weapons at proto level asweell.
To try and answer all at once:
1. Most Logi players seems to think that assault players need the backup of a logi, in most cases this simply isn't true. A shield tanked assault woth a nanohive is more or less self sufficient. When I run my assault suit, I don't expect or need anything from the Logibros, they're mostly annoying when they try to repair my shield tanked suit....
2. When I run as a logi I normally use upljnks, hives and a scanner, I can easily rack up loads of WPs for no real effort, and thats without even carrying a needle and a repper. Its EZ-mode in terms of WP gain.
3. Some are still delusional and claims that the logi suits are better for the slayer role than the assault suits are, this is not so. This claim mostly seem to come from terrible assault players that QQ when they get owned by a logi. I have yet to meet a player which have both suits at proto level make this claim.
4. Hearing some of the dudes here, even the experienced ones that should know better saying: "I help out the team, while all you're doing is shooting people in the face", well, it makes me sad. When a player goes 29-0 in a gamemode that needs 50 kills for the win, he's probably more or less carrying the entire team to victory, we're talking ambush here.
5. I do get more kills on average with my assault fit, this is mostly due to speed. Well, and the sidearm. Its the speed and stamina of the suit, its the faster speed of the shield regen and to a small degree the strafe speed. Scanning for my squad takes up a lot of timeactually. So if I get 20 kills in the assult suit I'd probably get 15 kills with logi suit, and about twice or more WPs earned due to casually tossing some uplinks here and there....
6. Why do you even care Corruption? Let the scrubs get their silly amount of WPs so they're deluded to think they matter enough to keep playing the game feeding my ego and yours with more easy kills.... Or, you know, stand on a nanohive and spam grenades.......... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
2147
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:47:00 -
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You tell em regnyum! All these noobs just don't want their skill less WP farm taken away.
slayer master race ftmfw |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:48:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. You do realize that the spawns they are throwing, the ammo they are tossing, the healing they are giving, the scanning they are doing and etc. are what is helping you kill more right? 1. I hardly die in ambush why would I need spawns links, and I would never spawn on a random uplink. 2. I carry my own ammo 3. I shield tank, why would I want reps So again, tell me how the Logi is helping me win? yeah because aim assisted point and shoot is really hard to do, right? beside that, you get less WP because you decided to run alone, self sufficent and not to care about anyone else. instead, carry an injector/scanner/triage hive and help your teammates out. if you are that good, then it should not be a problem to kill and get some extra WP by helping your team at the same time. let the logis do the ammo supply. additionally, no one stops you from getting into a logi suit and set up uplinks at the beginning of the match and then switch to your assault suit. oh and btw, the better your team is compared to the opposition the less WP logis get. logis get less important when you are starting to win/stomp. Captain Crutches wrote:Let me put this another way.
In EVE, logistics ships carry no weapons. Maybe a some light combat drones to ***** on killmails, but nothing that would make a difference in the overall DPS of the fleet. They are stocked full of repair tools, their sole purpose is to keep their fleetmates alive, to the point where corps/alliances that reimburse ship losses may refuse to reimburse a logi pilot if he had a gun fitted.
Without a sufficient number of them, fleets don't leave.
Battles have been won because the logistics of one side were able to keep their reps focused and coordinated enough to hold their friends against enemy damage, or lost because there wasn't enough and the enemy chewed through a "slayer" heavy fleet like paper.
Doesn't it make sense that Dust would follow a similar principle? It's about far more than just shooting the other guy in the face, and I'd take one skilled logibro over a whole squad of average slayers in any match. the difference is, logi ships in eve are tough and hard to take out even with concentrated fire, especially because they can spider tank very efficiently, a pack of logi ships can sustain their hp for very long time on themself through concentrated fire. . they also have HUGE ranges on shield transporters and remote armor repairers, they dont need to sit next to high DPS close range weaponry. logi in dust sits right next to you and suffers from the same beating as you do. Maybe if we get remote modules in a year's time, the range on them will be buffed a noticeable amount. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Next OP will be asking for killstreaks and attack dogs LOL! |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
434
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:58:00 -
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I heard CCP is developing a brain assist for ReGnYuM and that it will be released in 1.8 |
Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians
48
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:02:00 -
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Dude you are honestly the definition of an AR scrub if thats really what you believe. Most of the time i'm the only god dren logi on my entire team! People drool over the hives I drop and worship my uplinks. One person supplying all of the teams ammo, spawns, revives, and heals!?! I better the the most fkin war points. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
366
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:05:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Actually, as much as I disagree with his view towards Logistics it would actually be cool if we got more points for surviving and killing longer as assaults. I think they should reward kill streaks for sure.
We would be heading into ridiculous childish territory with that, no thanks |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1109
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:07:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You tell em regnyum! All these noobs just don't want their skill less WP farm taken away.
slayer master race ftmfw So funny...
Just stay away from their hives and uplinks; that way, they won't get any points!
You are part of the problem, Sirs!
Ha! |
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General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
3226
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:07:00 -
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I am a slayer logi meaning I can go 30+ with 0-2 deaths and I can wp ***** at the same time.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
311
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:10:00 -
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Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
155
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:14:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:ITT: Man whines that his K/D isn't contributing as much to the team as the guy that keeps his gun loaded. Best description of the situation. The op's post made me laugh actually (cause its ******* stupid) and im not even a logi. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1109
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:17:00 -
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Those who degrades the noble role of the Logi deserves to have a good quantity of red hot coals poured in their underwear (while being tied over a pool filled with saw-blades-equipped sharks). |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
985
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:18:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it.
1. Slaying/ Assault has been a role in every FPS to date. Furthermore, going 29-0 in a 50 kill game is not providing for the team?
2. I believe fully in specialization for the purpose of planetary conquest.
3. My decision to play the most important role in Dust 514?
I made two simple points in my thread
1. Logi gains a insane amount WP for the amount of skill required.
2. I think assaults and slayers should also get extra WP for battle efficiency.
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
661
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:19:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
how about put on a gear slot? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
679
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Jack McReady wrote:the reason you get less WP is because you decided to not play as a team and be a selfish self sufficient KDR kid with hives to supply yourself with ammo. now you are butthurt cause your scrub ego got hurt because someone else gets more points.
if you would instead let the logis resupply your ammo and get an injector or scanner and from time to time stop for a second to help your team out instead of only relying on aim assisted AR to boost your ego by KDR then you would get alot more WP. additionally no one stops you from getting into a logi to set up useful spawn points in the beginning of the match.
it was your decision to play like that and you get rewarded accordingly, simple as that, deal with it. 1. Slaying/ Assault has been a role in every FPS to date. Furthermore, going 29-0 in a 50 kill game is not providing for the team? 2. I believe fully in specialization for the purpose of planetary conquest. 3. My decision to play the most important role in Dust 514? I made two simple points in my thread 1. Logi gains a insane amount WP for the amount of skill required. 2. I think assaults and slayers should also get extra WP for battle efficiency. and I also made two simple points:
first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would either mean, your team were full of new players dieing left and right, thus he could get all the WP by reviving and uplink spawns in which case he deserved it.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6874
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:31:00 -
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KDR is a worthless stat in this game because so many people are bad, or new, and so many old players run around in a full proto squad.
It's not an indication of skill, rather, it's an indication of time played and being lifted up by broken matchmaking.
Not to say high KDR players aren't good, just that KDR in and of itself is a worthless stat thanks to the dizzying number of ways to boost it that require very little personal skill. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:47:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! You're doing it wrong. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
316
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:49:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Woah AV isint easy! I use a Plasma cannon! You're doing it wrong.
But its so much funn. |
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