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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:39:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4701
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:42:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD
Sadly I die more to core nades then Proto AR |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:45:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote: And ARs sit on a nanohive and core nade spam
Or we shoot Warlord and he dies from my duvolle. xD Sadly I die more to core nades then Proto AR
If only they gave you 1 ehp more for every like you had on the forums we'd be beasts in an ocean of nublets xD |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
115
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:48:00 -
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Ok, go one match without using nanohives, uplinks, or repair from anyone but yourself for an entire week. See where that gets you.
Logistics is a very hard class because of the fact that we are expensive to run (not that ISK is a problem for me or you), our actions have to be very strategic, only one Light Weapon Slot, and the fact that everyone fires at the logis first. Try telling field medics in the military that healing and resupply shouldn't be rewarded. I wanna see how long you'd live. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:41:00 -
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this fuzzing thread.
Ok kids, step into my time machine and we will go back a few months ago.
Logi Users During Open Beta Debut: (after they fixed some WP exploits like hurting a team mate an repping over an over)
"WAAAAAAH, our Logi suits are useless!" "We dont get any WP for anything!" "Assault Suit so much Gooder!?" "We used to be awesome super OP Stack Everything Pre Open BETA?!"
Few months go by and: *Caldari Logi Comes Along* .............. .............. .............. ..."This seems balanced right guys?" - Logi Users
And now we are here to whatever the hell it is now. I havent played in a long time.... long enough to accrue 3mil+ in passive most likely. It went from crappy to godly in a few months and its because of the players. So dont complain for something the majority asked for, which is more WP for actions other than killing.
But most of the people asking for that werent logi's at the time, it was a general consensus that you should get WP for more things.... i bet being near sighted sucks dont it! HAHAHAHAH |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1009
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:AV is by far the easiest role, hold down fire release, next vehicle. AV is the hardest role in the game! You actually have to aim, charge, ior lock on for three seconds. That's way to difficult Lock on for .3 seconds. |
Beforcial
REAPERS REPUBLIC
33
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Posted - 2013.10.12 07:54:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this fuzzing thread.
Ok kids, step into my time machine and we will go back a few months ago.
Logi Users During Open Beta Debut: (after they fixed some WP exploits like hurting a team mate an repping over an over)
"WAAAAAAH, our Logi suits are useless!" "We dont get any WP for anything!" "Assault Suit so much Gooder!?" "We used to be awesome super OP Stack Everything Pre Open BETA?!"
Few months go by and: *Caldari Logi Comes Along* .............. .............. .............. ..."This seems balanced right guys?" - Logi Users
And now we are here to whatever the hell it is now. I havent played in a long time.... long enough to accrue 3mil+ in passive most likely. It went from crappy to godly in a few months and its because of the players. So dont complain for something the majority asked for, which is more WP for actions other than killing.
But most of the people asking for that werent logi's at the time, it was a general consensus that you should get WP for more things.... i bet being near sighted sucks dont it! HAHAHAHAH
Your time machine felt drunk...
Please re-explain the point you where trying to make. I am stupid.
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
105
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:02:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
The Logi...
Clearly, what is interesting is your lack of vision.
if that logi had saved your team 20 or even 10 clones, whilst ensuring your team mates keep supplied with ammo, repairing armour, locating the targets you kill and providing you clear and safe places to spawn... for your whole team... whilst also killing 5 of their guys....
I would say that is far more useful to the wholes team, rather than one e-peen obsessed meat head assault.
You're clearly looking at this game from a solo point of view, this is your failing my good man... my guess is that either your not that nice to be around or you just have no mates.
also...
as a logi you will find that I will kill 15, lose one or two in a match as well... whilst doing all the above, for my mates and team mates.
I'd like to see any team win a PC match with out logis... again, as you have no mates, my guess is you have never been in a PC match. |
Rudy Vandersario
Famous Wolf
98
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:36:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I still make people look bad solo. Oh here's for the guy that thought i don't drop 40+ matches on the regular. Here's my last one, i can take pics every game if you like. I know it's tough to believe but some of us are that good. xD
Yeah go on then, post pics of every single match you have, I look forward to seeing every single one 40+.
If you can actually do that all the time (not just occasionally) then I would politely tip my hat to you. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:37:00 -
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I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. |
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
263
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:41:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone.
Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:55:00 -
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Being a "slayer" seems like it is easier. After-all, all you need to do as a slayer is pick up a weapon, point it at an enemy, and push a button, while managing your location and having some situational awareness.
A logi has to manage their weapon and location to counter enemies whilst checking their allies health and heal as necessary, dropping nanohives in good locations, making sure a drop uplink is in a strategic and out of the way location nearby the action, reviving fallen allies, all very often within a small window of time. Being a logi in a close match can be rather frantic and involve quite a bit of multi-tasking to be at near optimal efficiency.
That being said, some "slayer" and survival -type rewards would be welcome. I can think of quite a few, but that is beyond the scope of this topic. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1041
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Posted - 2013.10.12 09:47:00 -
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You know that heavies have the hardest role of them all, and they only get points for kills and kill assists. They don't even have an equipment to get any other form of points.
It's heavies that need some love. Logistics are fine. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:38:00 -
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Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:47:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds.
sooo...assault do need a buff because a slightly faster suit that has a sidearm < way higher pg/cpu +5r/s + equip slots galore? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:53:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Anything a slayer can do, a logi can do.
A logi can hold down a point using his gun, some RE and some nades (not really required but still viable).
A slayer can do the same but wouldn't have the slots to keep going after he runs out of ammo, nades and RE.
A logi would use some nanos to replenish ammo for anything.
Slayer has to choose, nanos or RE?
A logi would toss uplinks down so allied troops can help him out.
Slayer has to choos, nanos, RE, or uplinks?
Don't tell me a logi can't do this because I did it using a breach SMG and some RE, 1 nanohive and 1 uplink that I tossed after about 1 minute of wave after wave of reds. sooo...assault do need a buff because a slightly faster suit that has a sidearm < way higher pg/cpu +5r/s + equip slots galore? Sort of, assaults are like a glass cannon. Alone they can be a bit worry-some but if you got a group of them, than you have your hands full.
The reason for the slots etc on the logi is because of this: who reps a logi? What will happen to the logi when he is the only one left standing in his/her squad? |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:54:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need.
Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team.
All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1045
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:21:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Heh You just proved why the assault suits are fine.
Besides, you also just proved that if assaults do their job right, the logistics don't need to support. Meaning that Logistics would earn less in the battle...completely nullifying the point made in the OP. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
436
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:24:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Wow that sounds like a lot of....'fun'
Hope I never have to be on his side in a match and have to experience that kind of 'team play'
Thanks but no thanks.
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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
105
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:25:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win. Heh You just proved why the assault suits are fine. Besides, you also just proved that if assaults do their job right, the logistics don't need to support. Meaning that Logistics would earn less in the battle...completely nullifying the point made in the OP.
perfect LOGIc...
this thread can be locked now |
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1828
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:28:00 -
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Logi's are worthless and should be removed from the game.
Just sayin' |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
87
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
It's all about competition for WP.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the ratio is currently 4:1. This is not that wild of an assumption in my opinion. There would then be a single logi acquiring WP from 4 people running around taking advantage of their services. These logis compete with only a few others per match for the total WP gained from logistics while the assaults compete with the majority of the team.
Now flip the ratio...
The 4 logis are competing for the WP from one person. Each logi would then be happy to get a few hundred WP out of the one assault character. Alternatively, the WP from slaying would fall onto the shoulders of just a few and the WP would increase for each assault character.
TL;DR: Logis earn more WP than any one assault because there is less competition among logis than there is among assault characters. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
87
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:35:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:I don't understand anymore,if it not one things it's another with some players,one day your going to wake up with no logi beside you, wishing you had reps, ammo,revive etc and they wont be there and you'll die alone. Nah guys like him just call everyone else scrubs when they cant get the support they need. Guys like him go 29-0 in an ambush and: didn't need any links because your team couldn't die fast enough to stymie his gungame carrying. didn't need hives because he's got his own didn't need reps cause he's self sufficient didn't need an injector because why die in the first place? didn't need anything from the logi to pull his weight and the weight of the other 9 that made up the top ten of his team. All his team had to do to was average 3 kills a player + him = win.
Then the logis on his team shouldn't be able to earn many points off of him. If anything he should be complaining that every other assault character on his team is horrible and feeding the logi's WP. Or argue that if they suck at assault then they should play logi instead, thus balancing the assault:logi ratio.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the way the game is setup, it's just how many people want to run and gun all game while fewer enjoy being a support role. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:00:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
Assaults can do this stuff too. They just need to change fits more, so your point is? |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:01:00 -
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My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job.
Exhibit 1 Exhibit 2 |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:09:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit
Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
566
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:22:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) ^^This
No one's quoted me yet, time to unsubscribe from this thread :3
But it's the person that uses the suit that makes it an Assault suit. This is Dust after all, you make it what you want it to be. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
616
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:26:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:My point was that logi's shouldn't be such great killers to pull games like these on the regular while getting way more wp's than everyone else on top of it. Because it's just as ez to kill with a logi suit, even if you're carrying good equips and do your job. Exhibit 1Exhibit 2 Agreed, but perhaps in those situations it's the fact that the player is abusing the stats/layout of the logi suit Not trolling you or anything, just pointing it out that clearly you are a good player :) ^^This No one's quoted me yet, time to unsubscribe from this thread :3 But it's the person that uses the suit that makes it an Assault suit. This is Dust after all, you make it what you want it to be. Quoted you :p
But agreed, as I'm sure everyone saw, I went against regy in a pub, got stomped on and received another hole on my behind.
I'm a logi, I don't assault very much.
My experience is as a logi.
Therefore why would I do good when I'm wearing a starter medic suit?
If a really good player that is used to assaulting put on the logi suit, it would yield probably better results than if they were wearing an assault suit (this on a proto level). |
Beyond Creation
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
21
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:30:00 -
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WP is like an assaults kills. Without so much points you'd wonder, what the hell was this guy doing to get so little kills. And its should be rewarded as such. repping someone isn't nearly as fun as killing someone. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:33:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts. Why are you crying like a little btch? Grow some and just play the fking game. Yeah, I'll be taking your place on the leader board. Deal with it.
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