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bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:53:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot!
I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100%
firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp.
"prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
986
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:12:00 -
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bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you.
Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums.
CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP.
Heres my question valvetino
Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2260
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:14:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Except it's not. Logis get next to nothing when you're winning by a landslide, slayers get all the WP. If Logis are getting alot of WP, slayers just need to get better.
This is the truth. I get the most WPs when my support is being used. A constant fight over a heavily contested objective with dead slayers coming back on my uplinks and using my hives to keep shooting. I'm only getting points because slayers find my support useful.
The equipment doesn't use itself. Somone has to benefit from it before I get any points.
Redline the other team and you don't need my support. Great for you.
Get redline yourself and maybe the arc line of uplinks I dropped behind the enemy lines will let you restart the fight.
It's nice that you are a one-man army who can do it all by himself, but some of your fellow slayers seem to appreciate the assistance. You use the objective free mode of Ambush for your example. Yes, brain dead goal of "shoot more face" doesn't call for as much support. Why should it? The goal of "kill more" can be acomplished with DPS alone.
When you attempt game modes wtih objecives other than simply "kill more", you see logistics enter the picture. Who knows, in a few years you might even be using vehiclular transport.
It's so childish for a slayer who has his KDR stat cry about wanting the larger share of the WPs too. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2260
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:16:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP
Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:18:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Your an idiot.
Who reps the logi?
What happens when the assaults are being kill wh0res and don't protect the logi that's going for the revive?
Who resupplies the logi? Hey ReGnuM care to answer these questions? |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
437
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514 |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:22:00 -
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Skihids wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful.
Amazing, easy mode behavior of passively gaining WP through Logi must of stunned your ability to answer simple questions
Who contributed more? |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
582
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:24:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:25:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514
LOLOLOLOL another logi who can't answer a simple question.
Eh... CCP you might want to look into how easymode behaviour affects brain activity |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
566
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:33:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Logibro , considering that he was likely using his injector to save more clones than you killed |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
684
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:33:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this...
maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it.
and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out.
and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:36:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote: All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP.
Well, the easiest solution would be for assault builds to drop weapons that farm WP while they run back and forth swapping out builds to spam more weapons on the field. Then we could be just like logis! |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
585
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:43:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:57:00 -
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Sighs at more logi hate.
Really think you guys who run a 'slayer' role need to chill the **** out. Not every logi is good and the same applies to peeps running the slayer role.
Ever since ccp took away your second equipment slot from proto assaults you've cried about logi being op, easy mode and slamming logis as rubbish. Please realise we logis understand your role on the battlefield, so get a fuckin grip. You play your way i'll play mine.
This game, for its faults, is intended for you to play as you the user wants to, not the way some of you would like to see us play. I'm really happy that you are all so **** hot at fps games and sorry you feel so bad about your apparant lack of reward for killing.
Anyway, rant done. Have a nice weekend |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
686
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:58:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100% I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread. It's like this question: What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? I would not say he is a scrub, he is a good player, it is just the typical tunnelvision that you encounter in dust...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
439
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:59:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Dexter307 wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP I take this post as you wanting this game to be assault w/ AR 514 LOLOLOLOL another logi who can't answer a simple question. Eh... CCP you might want to look into how easymode behaviour affects brain activity I'm a heavy Go back to cod where you belong. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
587
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:02:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did this... maximum possible points with spawns is 1250 (50 clones), that leaves points for atleast 6 revives. I can safely assume that alot less people spawned on his links, most likely around 20 plus 10+ revives and a few repairs... he deserved his points deal with it. and again this: first of all, a logi gets alot less WP when the team is winning, which means that he did in fact a real go job as logi. this would mean, your team was dieing left and right, and you picked the kills, which means he prevented your team from cloning out. and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo. I agree 100% I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread. It's like this question: What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick? I would not say he is a scrub, he is a good player, it is just the typical tunnelvision that you encounter in dust... Meh, I have yet to face him/her in a match (at least if they are using the toon they used to make this thread).
But yes, it's tunnel vision.
The only thing I can say is Yin-Yang. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2262
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:08:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Skihids wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:bethany valvetino wrote:Cosgar wrote:You're a ****ing idiot! I wanted to attack this **** head verbally.. sadly this statement sums up my thoughts 100% firstly, logistic is not the easiet role on the battle field and secondly it is almost certainly the most useful... also someone made a good point, that when you are in a good team you make a lot less wp. "prick" is the word that most sums up my thoughts on you. Funny how garbage is all talk on the forums. CCP please note how Logi noobs come out in droves to protect their easymode WP system. All I am asking is to level the playing field and give slayers a better opportunity to earn WP. Heres my question valvetino Who contributed more in that 50 kill Ambush game. Me going 29-0 with 1885 WP, or the Logi Bro going 4-15 with 1810 WP Why don't you ask your former teammates? Obviously some of them were using the Logis equipment and they found it useful. Amazing, easy mode behavior of passively gaining WP through Logi must of stunned your ability to answer simple questions Who contributed more?
If I earn more WPs than you, by CCP's definition I contributed more.
Now it's a touch more complicated than that as it requires human analysis of who the MPV is in a given game. Who did you shoot, and did it prevent an enemy hack or was it just a useless redberry standing around? Did my uplinks get you behind the enemy lines where you could flank them, or was it dropped underneath our MCC?
CCP will be adding more WP rewards for strategic kills such as killing a hacker in future updates, so you will see some of that counted.
The goal is to give WP's for actions that advance the win. Trigger pullers are the most obvious, but far from the only contributors. Your use of the word "lazy" bespeaks your complete lack of knowledge of the efforts required to properly support. I can spend half the match running back and forth from a backline SD to the front to place the right equipment in the best spots while a slayer simply stands in one small area shooting at whoever happens by. Who is lazy then?
Slinging insults is childish. So is demanding all the attention and the biggest slice of cake. If DUST is to ever advance beyond TDM and become the game it promised to be there will be plenty of important roles other than slayer and all will be crucial to the win. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:12:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
QFT for the history books
Based on your logic, a player on a 16 man deep team who dropped 58% of the kills with no deaths. Compared to the player who killed 8% and lost 30% of our clones.
Maybe you should've argued this for Skirmish lol |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:16:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
Who contributed more?
The logi because he kept everyone on your team shooting and he got them to the frontlines faster than you did BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA QFT for the history books Based on your logic, a player on a 16 man deep who dropped 58% of the kills with no deaths. Compared to the player who killed 8% and lost 30% of our clones. Maybe you should've argued this for Skirmish lol 1. Speak in real sentences and clearly explain your stance in the above quote
2. If you you were in a deadly situation were someone pointed a gun at you, what would you pick.
A gun? Or a shield that blocks bullets?
And again I repeat, Yin and Yang |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:18:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon.
Actions have consequences |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell?
And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers.
Yin and Yang |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:21:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:22:00 -
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While I do agree that effective assaults are essentially underpaid, I think it's fine that way.
Being a logistic is not a glorious occupation. Being an effective slayer is reward in itself, and tons of fun. Effectively supporting a team is a lot less interesting in comparison. So the higher rewards ensure that (enough) people still enjoy playing logistics and the game is probably better for it overall. |
Buttercup Chipmint
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:23:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Honestly, the Logistic role in dust is arguably the easiest role to perform next to AV, yet this role is by far rewarded the most WP for the amount of skill required. The rate at which Logistic can passively gain SP is atrocious. When I drop a 29-0 in regular ambush, a logi player should never even be close to my WP gain. Yet, a Logi player, going 4-15, manges to be only 75 WP behind me.
Logistics are rewarded for providing:
Spawns Ammo Healing Scanning ...etc
However the Slayer/Assault ,arguably the most important role, is only rewarded for killing.
The headshot bonus was a good start, yet why I am not rewarded for the following:
-Rate at which we kill multiple targets.
-Surviving with multiple kills.
I am tired of being in the front lines taking the bullets, explosives, and mindless noobs. While a Logi sits back and passively farms WP for my efforts.
LOL KD/R LOL
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:24:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote: and second, you specialized to be a selfish assault focusing on KDR, that is the reward for it, namely less WP than eveyone else. you can easily increase your point gain alot by helping your team with your equipment slot, your loss if you decide to not to and just carry a hive to replenish your own ammo.
This what they teach in Dust University
Assault player who kills a lot = Selfish.
Good to see unversity still has the same old mentality
Bad players teaching bad habbits |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:27:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell? And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers. Yin and Yang
You'll see Maybe next time you should learn to keep your mouth shut.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
588
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub
I expect an apology letter in my mail by noon. Actions have consequences What would these consequences be pray tell? And noon when? Tomorrow, the day after? Noon my time, noon your time? So many questions so little answers. Yin and Yang You'll see Maybe next time you should learn to keep your mouth shut. Ooooo I love surprises!!!! Make sure there is lots of fireworks!!!!
O and I request you make a thread about it in general discussion!!!! |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
453
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
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1) Being a slayer isn't more difficult. 2) Being a slayer doesn't make you more important. I'd happily replace a slayer with a logi in most squads. 3) To be a good logi you need to be very environmentally aware...you can't just drop your sh*t wherever you want.
I don't think you know how tough it is to be a good logi...definitely not easier than being a good slayer. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
988
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:29:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I agree 100%
I think ReGnuM's little AR scrub brain can't handle all of the LOGIc in this thread.
It's like this question:
What's more important to you? Your brain or your arm? If you had to pick one or the other, wich would you pick?
PS. Regynum you forgot the rest of the sentence....stop trying to twist my words
nah those five words is all I need |
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