I knew the matchmaking would not work but when I raised a concern this past weekend on another thread everyone decided to give me a hard time. Now I get to see all of you crying! Please fix it or bring back the old matchmaking!

Matchmaking completely broken just sat in three empty games!! That and got kicked from a match because I was staying still as a sniper was moving the camera left and right but got kicked! Not impressed with the update, but will say the new maps are very good.

Wait until everyone is patched and you have a bigger number of players.

It's the middle of a weekday!

People are working or in school. No matchmaking system will work well with nobody playing.


Munch

Looking around doesn't help. Won't hurt you as a sniper to take a step when you get the warning. That's what it's there for. Also you're a bad sniper if you don't switch positions after a shot. This isn't Moorhuhn.

Swarms are defo OP - My 'Dren' swarms fires the full clip in 5sec or less and i dont have a single SP into swarms

Shield tanks - Gun depression nerf, you cant aim below 0deg it seems, maybe 5 at the most

Dropships - Side guns still not fixed, cant look forward because they snap back into position, new camera is so-so not sure how it would go for shooting stuff

LAV - Gun still faces the wrong way when you get into it

Have you calculated the damage amount for Dren swarms? Why is that inherently bad? My AR fires the full clip in 5sec or less...

Is there a point with the gun's depression that you think it shouldn't go? Do you think it would be fair for infantry to be able to get up close near you and under your gun?

Matchmaking completely broken just sat in three empty games!! That and got kicked from a match because I was staying still as a sniper was moving the camera left and right but got kicked! Not impressed with that, but will say the new maps are very good. Like the fact you have to use an active scanner as well

People will be leaving the match and/or quitting the game if they are forced into game modes that they dislike. Game type selection should be a filter, not a vote.

Hey guys

Please post your general feedback for Uprising 1.4 in this thread

Well, this should still work no matter how many people are online correct? I may not want to play when everyone else in the world is playing, or my schedule may not allow it. If that's the case, I still want to be able to play what I want when I want.

Nova knife hit detection has gotten even worse in 1.4. Ill follow up with a video. But basically you really do have to be right on top of someone to kill them. I get a lot of hitmarkers and no dmg.
Also knifers need to have health bars showing for them. ITs important we since we choose our targets.

Market no longer shows skill requirements
why did you remove this? Makes it much easier to buy something that you dont have skills for now.
I really liked this since I could tell right away what skills i needed and upgrade from the market place.
Please return this this option if not a bug

Well, this should still work no matter how many people are online correct? I may not want to play when everyone else in the world is playing, or my schedule may not allow it. If that's the case, I still want to be able to play what I want when I want.

Odd been talking to my eu dudes they have no issue with the matchmaker. Sounds like some bad logic snuck its way in

Can other EU people confirm or refute this, please?


Munch

Matchmaking needs work, but large corps that are used to proto pub stomping will never like matchmaking because they might have to play other proto pub stomping corps and actually die and lose money. I was naieve about this mentality until 2 days ago, I was playing pub ambush against 13ear and some other tp guys and I was running a adv scout with pistols and of course 13ear was running proto call logi with a d ar, so naturally I pistoled him once or twice 2 eat into those shields then cooked a frag and owned him, no pickup from that, well he came at me again and I did the same thing, after that game the child 13ear sent me hate mail calling me names being disrespectful because he died, lol, you know holding up these great eon and teamplayer traditions. And until that moment I had a lot of respect for him and his team, but I couldnt understand why he was so mad, after talking to people I figured it out though, they will never want a system that makes pubstomping harder, period. Btw, next game played them again, frag pistoled the scrub again... pffffff get good

How come I was going against protogeared individuals, you see in EVE I don't have to run out in 0.0 if I don't want to

Love the new maps, sound effects and update screen, but ....

just spent the better part of an hour to get into a match with a full squad and it went a bit like this:
1. squad leader selects a match
2. not all squad members get in
3. back out
4. reform squad
5. not everyone can join because someone is still in battle (while everyone backed out)
6. select different squad leader
7. goto step 1

The new complex is enormous and playing several matches today, my corpmates and I had the reinforced belief that the game really needs 24v24 for maps this size.

People will be leaving the match and/or quitting the game if they are forced into game modes that they dislike. Game type selection should be a filter, not a vote.

Hey guys

Please post your general feedback for Uprising 1.4 in this thread

The dropship camera rides too close to the ship and is really touchy. I suspect the latter stems from the fact that the camera has more swing, from full over to full under the ship. I'm not sure why we would need to look straight up at the bottom of the ship.

The new camera significantly reduces the pilot's situational awareness making it difficult to fly and nearly impossible to see and avoid AV.

Wolfman, please prioritize situational awareness when you work on the dropship camera. Student pilots are trained to put their head on a swivel and be aware of everything around them. I feel claustrophobic while flying and that's the opposite of what should happen in the sky!



The new aim-bot has significantly reduced my time-to-die. The AR advocates who used to claim that the AR is a skill weapon while the MD is not will have to own up to this. The AR is now a noob weapon and so far exceeds the MD in DPS that it is no contest. I'm going to have to switch to the AR myself to compete. The HMG seems to have gotten a similar buff as my strafing/running didn't have any effect today.



Matchmaking. Yeah, it's totally borked. Several matches of 16 vs. 0, and once my squad got dumped into a lost domination. We came 2nd-5th, but there was no way we could turn it around in time.


On the other hand, the startup screen is nice and the "last match" screen let's me check my bonus SP pool without having to run another match. The new maps are cool.

dropship camera needs to go back like it was, or add both types as an option.

The current camera is beyond terrible for a thousand reasons. And everyone agrees

As a Logibro, it's hard for me to tell if someone in my team has armor damage or not. You have to aim pretty precise at your teammates to see their health bars. In the middle of a battle, when five people are jumping around you, this is a difficult task.

If you are going to buff th armor, why not buff the armor repair rate? Now we have higher armor HP per module, but we still having movement penalty (makes sense) but 5 HP repair per/sec for a Complex Repair is unfair. This is my main concern about 1.4 so far.

It's 6.25. You have to have level 5 to use complex. 5% rep per level.

Heavies get taken down twice as fast. The Armor Buff isn't nearly enough.

So the vehicles and graphics are gorgeous. I like the news login screen.

I really, really would like the ability to revert the camera and control the turret on my assault dropship. Also it could just be the new camera but it feels sluggish and unresponsive and the turrets restricted a lot.

Render distances are a bit inconsistent with my tank occasionally showing across the map and other times not reaching 200 meters. My assault dropship is the same when it comes to infantry not rendering over 25 or 40 meters even when I am using my active scanner. More than anything this would be great to have fixed.

Aim assist means tracer rounds apparently. I don't care one way or the other but I'll just keep mine off.

Scotty the matchmaking A.I. seems to be overwhelmed and needs some help. He keeps on telling me to try again and I hope he's not trolling me when I get put in 5+ vs x matches. Watching him work is pretty cool with the new UI stuff though and I can't really complain when he gives me 200,000 isk for 3 seconds in a match. He seems like a nice guy.

I'm liking the new maps I've played. Haven't tested the weapons changes yet.

I started playing Dust a week ago, I'm an EVE player of 8 years. My first week of being a mercenary was full of emptying entire magazines of ammunition in to an enemy barely damaging their shields then have them turn around and kill me in one shot.

Having played EVE for 8 years I wasn't prepared to give up that easily, so I stuck around and 1.4 was very welcome. Despite the very wonky match making, I was actually able to kill people and could stay alive longer than 20 seconds at a time.

I log in today and the match making seems fixed, but now I'm back to square one. I'm not about to give up, but constantly being one shot and being unable to kill anyone is pretty soul destroying.

Its the reason why they need (a working) match making so badly. I find it interesting that an Eve Online vet found it soul destroying because some of the proto-bear pubstomping loving vets commonly tell the new players to suck it up because Eve online is an unforgiving game so DUST should be too. Clearly they've been misrepresenting Eve Online.

Liking it so far...

I had trouble with ds3 in 1.3 but played with it anyway (since its a console game) and sucked but tried to get better. Tried kb/m one day and got loads more kills.

Now finding ds3 pretty good to use and the fire fights are good fun and my kill rate/assist rate is getting better (not by much mind you lol).

Only thing I have noticed (and I mean its happened once not time and again) several people were in a tonight and I came round a corner to join in and thought 'what the heck are they shooting there is nothing there' so I venture out a little further and all of a sudden 3 or 4 players appear as if by magic in front of me, so I ran for cover quick.

The other thing that strings to mind is so far I've played about 5 or 6 games since 1.4 came out and they all seem to be on the new level. Have the old ones been removed or something and the new one being played repeatedly for testing purposes?

i just played a match that was on one of the old levels.

Woo first post! well ive been playing dust since beta and regardless of all your whining the game has grown up to be way better than chrome. the reason i decided to start posting on the forums was to get this one thing off my chest that i've benn wanting to say since i started reading the forums... Stop whineing for nerfs, buffs, fixes, and new content and just enjoy the ****ing game! there i said it.

Uprising 1.4 Patch Notes:

Controls
* Tuned radial menus for mouse settings (weapon/equipment select) to make them easier to use

I'm not really sure what happened here, but from my experience playing the last couple of days selecting equipment with the mouse has gotten more difficult. Whined in local about it briefly and a couple of players seemed to agree with me.

I had finally started to get the hang of what direction I needed to flick my mouse to stab a bro in the eye with my nanite injector (as an aside, the tap O to revive, while a great idea, takes way way too long to swap to the injector, leaving you and your buddy vulnerable. with practice, it is more effective to manually switch to the injector)

Then this patch hits and suddenly I can't equip anything without standing around like a moron opening the radial menu half a dozen times before finally selecting the wrong thing. DONT BLEED OUT FRIEND WHOOPS I DROPPED THIS HEAVY NANOHIVE ON YOUR FACE I ALMOST HAVE THE RIGHT TOOL THIS TIME I SWEAR! Being logibro is giving me headaches...



Hell, while I'm on the subject, can you anonymous CCP dev who is hopefully reading this thread float another request for number key based weapon/equipment select to the devs responsible? Would make the lives of m/kb players MUCH easier not having to fight with the radial menu!

Top row number keys:

1 Weapon slot 1
2 Weapon slot 2
3 Weapon slot 3 (if ever applicable)
4 Equipment slot 1
5 Equipment slot 2
...and so on.

I forgot to mention that have the abilities directly over the items in the market was very useful, i would like to see them again.

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Gamepad controls is bad for everything.

1.4 update seems like insult to gamepad's users. Mouse have no more limits, gamepad still have slow speed as if specially do for ret-¦rded people. CCP told this almost directly "we are made new, great Aim Assist for this ret-¦rded gamepad users, because all of you are too slow to handle high sensitivity".
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We don't need incredible aim assist. We want to play fair.
Without cheating aim assist gamepad is useless now. Too slow. You just dont let us even try to compete vs mouse users.

In battlefield 3 i successfully play with sensitivity x3-x4 faster than in dust 514 without any aim assist (i disabled it). But there CCP offer me to forget my skill and use this stupid aim assist only. Just see how Dice made it in bf3 and dont make your own mistakes, learn from succesfull done job.

Solution is easy - increasing max level of sens in x4 and nerf aim assist. With this solution newbies can play on low level on sens, strong players will set maximum.

At start increase maximum cap of speed of gamepad's sensitivity to equal mouse on hip fire. But in zoom mode it must be a little slower than on hip mode.

And, maybe no one will need so strong aim assist.

First off, there's supposedly a hard cap on turn speed that mouse users can't break (I havne't personally tested and confirmed this).

Secondly, I agree aim assist needs an adjustment downwards in effectiveness.

Thirdly, Even before 1.4 happend, CCP confirmed that 1.5 will include the ability to tune hipfire and ADS sensitivity independently of one another.

What exactly is the stacking penalty for light damage modifiers now? Does this stacking penalty only apply if I try to use two or more complex light damage modifiers on the same suit; or would it apply if I try to use one complex light damage modifier, and an enhanced light damage modifier on the same suit?

I also will be running straight BPOs until the aim assist is lessened. This is terrible and there is no point in being good if a noob can artificially fight above his weight class due to a computer aiming for him.

Infantry are starting to suffer from the same symptoms tanks are suffering from where we have all this cool stuff we COULD put on our tanks to make them unique and do cool things but in the interest of surviving more than 2 seconds simply cant.

It is simply a race to hipfire DPS at ADS ranges and a lot more fittings in 1.4 are simply brick fits meant to take one or two more shots than the other guy in hopes of killing him before he kills you.

This guy i have been squadding with for a couple days now has been MELTING multiple heavies in a single clip with his GEK and facepalms the entire time while he does it.

never seen so many AR heavies before

Just so you guys aren't left wondering, we are aware of the numerous complaints about the strength of aim assist. No decisions have been made yet, but we are certainly going to have another look at it.

Any news on the dropship camera?

No news, but it is something I'm aware of and will be asking about next week.

Just so you guys aren't left wondering, we are aware of the numerous complaints about the strength of aim assist. No decisions have been made yet, but we are certainly going to have another look at it.

No news, but it is something I'm aware of and will be asking about next week.

Keep in mind the vocal minority does not represent everyone. Many including myself have no problems with it. I suggest waiting a month to see if people still have problems with it.

As for possible course of action, I (and others: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108090 ) recommend removing the Uprising 10% damage buff to all weapons that happened.

since uprising 1.4 the lazer rifles and scrambler rifles have been going through my 602 armour faster than my 256 sheilds what is up with that?

Mouse have good speed for any action, its depend by skill only now. And here is hardware with switchable DPI and macroses... cost 10$

Gamepad is too slow now, i have skill to operate with x3 or x4 faster controls. CCP dont let me it, they just gave me aim assist wich i dont need. Ok, i just dont play this game since 1.3. I hoped about 1.4, but they still think i am cripple with slow reactions.

independently tuning is good, when scale of sens for gamepad is from very slow (for newbies) to equal mouse sens. If they will keep current sensitivity difference between mouse and gamepad - it will epic fail.

what about the number of positive feedback as well?

I also will be using a lot more sniping fits until aim assist gets turned down. There's no point in getting into close fights when ar's take you down in under 2 sec. Hmm... Maybe I should use laser rifles of tac ar's to stay away from the heat?

We're aware of both sides, and we'll be bringing up points from each camp. Same with the aim assist.

Keep in mind the vocal minority does not represent everyone. Many including myself have no problems with it. I suggest waiting a month to see if people still have problems with it.

As for possible course of action, I (and others: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108090 ) recommend removing the Uprising 10% damage buff to all weapons that happened.

I think we at least need a thorough explanation of how it works exactly and what is going on. Then maybe people might figure out ways to work against it. One thing is that I think it tracks movement only after the cursor has landed with a 'red sight' until then it doesn't pull the reticle. I think one way people can do a little of what they used to is to dodge in and out of cover. The crosshairs won't turn red when the target is behind cover and therefore it won't track.

We're aware of both sides, and we'll be bringing up points from each camp. Same with the aim assist.

Just so you guys aren't left wondering, we are aware of the numerous complaints about the strength of aim assist. No decisions have been made yet, but we are certainly going to have another look at it.

Since 1.4, there has not been a single competitive player that i have played with who has thought aim assist was fine as is.

That comment doesn't count if u like only know 2 people. I know a fair number who do think its fine and an ever greater number of casual and new players who outnumber the comptive players who also think its fine

Keep in mind the vocal minority does not represent everyone. Many including myself have no problems with it. I suggest waiting a month to see if people still have problems with it.

That comment doesn't count if u like only know 2 people. I know a fair number who do think its fine and an ever greater number of casual and new players who outnumber the comptive players who also think its fine

all i can say is lasers increase damage output as they heat up and scrambler rifles......well, they scramble your head lol

all i can say is lasers increase damage output as they heat up and scrambler rifles......well, they scramble your head lol

there will always be third party software that gives those kinds of advantages, like modded controllers. Hell, i have an aiming mouse with dpi toggles and a nice assortment of buttons to use.

i dont use it for dust tho, partly because it is too cheesy for me and also because i simply cant LOL. we cant rebind keys and just like on a gamepad, people will always be able to artificially increase sensitivity.

Good point. There are a number of players that aren't complaining about the aim-assist and that's not because they're too unintelligent to operate a webbrowser but because they're fine with the way the game has changed.

The offense got more important in 1.4. Watch your positioning instead of stacking shield extenders as you did in the last 6 months. HTFU?

For reference, I've mostly played SCR+SCP since the launch of 1.4, I did give the AR a spin for a few days, but it just doesn't cut it for me.

We're aware of both sides, and we'll be bringing up points from each camp. Same with the aim assist.

I spent thousands hours in the Battlefield series on PS3, and can say - modded controllers is soooooo rare, i never met guy with it in Battlefield. Modded gamepads have not so good quality as standart gamepad, and its cost near 50-100$ (dont remember fine), so not many people decide to buy it.

In other case in dust 514 with direct mouse support i met them often enough. We all remember tactical AR feature. Reasons - mouse with hardware macroses support is soo cheap. And guys from PC who are accustomed to using macrosest, they even dont understand its cheating to play with it vs DS3 guys.
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I want to say, CCP made mistake when enabled keyboard and mouse support. And they have no experience for shooters at all (its obvious when see their game changes order), seems like they have no idea how to balance it. But its not impossible.

I strongly recommend for them - use other dev's experience for make good gamepad controls.

Lol, its ridiculous, in console shooter, where target auditory is gamepad users - they began repair mouse at start. Its not MMO game where controls is not so much important. Its First Person Shooter where controls is vital feature.

CCP must do:

1. Make scale of sensitivity for gamepad from very slow to very high value (x4 from current max value, example they can see in battlefield 3, or just the same as mouse have now) And choose skilled gamepad guys for test it before release in main game, who came from COD, BF3 or other AAA games. Dont care much make "too high", because if people cant use too high sens - they just wont set it in options. Much worse current situation when i just cant make it faster.
1.1 make gamepad controls real smooth and controlable. Now its unplayable about sens, and controls move
by fits and starts if compare it with controls in other games like BF3.
1.2 dont forget about different scales of sens for hip fire and zoomed mode.

when gamepad controls is ready

2. make mouse controls the same (Dont worry, it will same or almost the same you have in 1.4 about sens, skilled gamepad users arent slowpokes and can operate with high sens with good controls system of course)

3. make many tests, where skilled gamepad players play vs skilled mouse users at infantry. 4vs4 or 8vs8 will enough.

4. Ask players feedback. Think a lot. As far as i know, skilled mouse players will a bit better than gamepad users even with same sensitivity. Make a little aim assist if necessary.

5. make many tests again, tune aim assist. Ask feedbacks. Think a lot.

6. when skilled gamepad users will play on equal (or almost) level with mouse users - you have success.

7. include resutls it in main game. Profit.

8. And i find to really good idea to choose some simple mouses models to support (without macroses) and ban any other. I guess people can buy cheap mouse its not so hard to buy mouse cost 5-10$. It will bring fair play for all

Thats way how you can repair this game. I dont believe you can repait it in any other ways. Controls is primary feature in FPS.

Just so you guys aren't left wondering, we are aware of the numerous complaints about the strength of aim assist. No decisions have been made yet, but we are certainly going to have another look at it.

Most of my corp uses controllers and some of them are considerably better at Dust than me.

Its your own fault, you are too weak at game in general, if you cant play better than gamepad users with better controller.

I played a lot among top ds3 players in battlefield 3. And i played a lot in dust 514 with ds3, but when i plugged mouse for test i was just shocked, its have too much advantage all the time in dust 514 (except situation in 6th of may with inputlag xD but it is fixed).

90% mouse users have low level of skill like you, but 2-3% of them have skill and they are almost invincible even for skilled ds3 users.
2-3% its hunderds of players, and top players prefer to stack to one corp almost always.

So only way to balance it as i told earlier in this thread.

I also will be running straight BPOs until the aim assist is lessened. This is terrible and there is no point in being good if a noob can artificially fight above his weight class due to a computer aiming for him.

Infantry are starting to suffer from the same symptoms tanks are suffering from where we have all this cool stuff we COULD put on our tanks to make them unique and do cool things but in the interest of surviving more than 2 seconds simply cant.

It is simply a race to hipfire DPS at ADS ranges and a lot more fittings in 1.4 are simply brick fits meant to take one or two more shots than the other guy in hopes of killing him before he kills you.

This guy i have been squadding with for a couple days now has been MELTING multiple heavies in a single clip with his GEK and facepalms the entire time while he does it.

never seen so many AR heavies before