DUST Search - Sticky:Uprising 1.4 Feedback thread

Lurchasaurus wrote:

dalt ud wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

dalt ud wrote:

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Gamepad controls is bad for everything.

1.4 update seems like insult to gamepad's users. Mouse have no more limits, gamepad still have slow speed as if specially do for ret-¦rded people. CCP told this almost directly "we are made new, great Aim Assist for this ret-¦rded gamepad users, because all of you are too slow to handle high sensitivity".
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We don't need incredible aim assist. We want to play fair.
Without cheating aim assist gamepad is useless now. Too slow. You just dont let us even try to compete vs mouse users.

In battlefield 3 i successfully play with sensitivity x3-x4 faster than in dust 514 without any aim assist (i disabled it). But there CCP offer me to forget my skill and use this stupid aim assist only. Just see how Dice made it in bf3 and dont make your own mistakes, learn from succesfull done job.

Solution is easy - increasing max level of sens in x4 and nerf aim assist. With this solution newbies can play on low level on sens, strong players will set maximum.

At start increase maximum cap of speed of gamepad's sensitivity to equal mouse on hip fire. But in zoom mode it must be a little slower than on hip mode.

And, maybe no one will need so strong aim assist.

First off, there's supposedly a hard cap on turn speed that mouse users can't break (I havne't personally tested and confirmed this).

Secondly, I agree aim assist needs an adjustment downwards in effectiveness.

Thirdly, Even before 1.4 happend, CCP confirmed that 1.5 will include the ability to tune hipfire and ADS sensitivity independently of one another.

Mouse have good speed for any action, its depend by skill only now. And here is hardware with switchable DPI and macroses... cost 10$

Gamepad is too slow now, i have skill to operate with x3 or x4 faster controls. CCP dont let me it, they just gave me aim assist wich i dont need. Ok, i just dont play this game since 1.3. I hoped about 1.4, but they still think i am cripple with slow reactions.

independently tuning is good, when scale of sens for gamepad is from very slow (for newbies) to equal mouse sens. If they will keep current sensitivity difference between mouse and gamepad - it will epic fail.

there will always be third party software that gives those kinds of advantages, like modded controllers. Hell, i have an aiming mouse with dpi toggles and a nice assortment of buttons to use.

i dont use it for dust tho, partly because it is too cheesy for me and also because i simply cant LOL. we cant rebind keys and just like on a gamepad, people will always be able to artificially increase sensitivity.


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dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 309	Posted - 2013.09.06 11:24:00 - [1] - Quote [emotion mode one] Gamepad controls is bad for everything. 1.4 update seems like insult to gamepad's users. Mouse have no more limits, gamepad still have slow speed as if specially do for ret-¦rded people. CCP told this almost directly "we are made new, great Aim Assist for this ret-¦rded gamepad users, because all of you are too slow to handle high sensitivity". [emotion mode off] We don't need incredible aim assist. We want to play fair. Without cheating aim assist gamepad is useless now. Too slow. You just dont let us even try to compete vs mouse users. In battlefield 3 i successfully play with sensitivity x3-x4 faster than in dust 514 without any aim assist (i disabled it). But there CCP offer me to forget my skill and use this stupid aim assist only. Just see how Dice made it in bf3 and dont make your own mistakes, learn from succesfull done job. Solution is easy - increasing max level of sens in x4 and nerf aim assist. With this solution newbies can play on low level on sens, strong players will set maximum. At start increase maximum cap of speed of gamepad's sensitivity to equal mouse on hip fire. But in zoom mode it must be a little slower than on hip mode. And, maybe no one will need so strong aim assist.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 309	Posted - 2013.09.06 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: dalt ud wrote: [emotion mode one] Gamepad controls is bad for everything. 1.4 update seems like insult to gamepad's users. Mouse have no more limits, gamepad still have slow speed as if specially do for ret-¦rded people. CCP told this almost directly "we are made new, great Aim Assist for this ret-¦rded gamepad users, because all of you are too slow to handle high sensitivity". [emotion mode off] We don't need incredible aim assist. We want to play fair. Without cheating aim assist gamepad is useless now. Too slow. You just dont let us even try to compete vs mouse users. In battlefield 3 i successfully play with sensitivity x3-x4 faster than in dust 514 without any aim assist (i disabled it). But there CCP offer me to forget my skill and use this stupid aim assist only. Just see how Dice made it in bf3 and dont make your own mistakes, learn from succesfull done job. Solution is easy - increasing max level of sens in x4 and nerf aim assist. With this solution newbies can play on low level on sens, strong players will set maximum. At start increase maximum cap of speed of gamepad's sensitivity to equal mouse on hip fire. But in zoom mode it must be a little slower than on hip mode. And, maybe no one will need so strong aim assist. First off, there's supposedly a hard cap on turn speed that mouse users can't break (I havne't personally tested and confirmed this). Secondly, I agree aim assist needs an adjustment downwards in effectiveness. Thirdly, Even before 1.4 happend, CCP confirmed that 1.5 will include the ability to tune hipfire and ADS sensitivity independently of one another. Mouse have good speed for any action, its depend by skill only now. And here is hardware with switchable DPI and macroses... cost 10$ Gamepad is too slow now, i have skill to operate with x3 or x4 faster controls. CCP dont let me it, they just gave me aim assist wich i dont need. Ok, i just dont play this game since 1.3. I hoped about 1.4, but they still think i am cripple with slow reactions. independently tuning is good, when scale of sens for gamepad is from very slow (for newbies) to equal mouse sens. If they will keep current sensitivity - it will epic fail.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 312	Posted - 2013.09.08 19:55:00 - [3] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: dalt ud wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: dalt ud wrote: [emotion mode one] Gamepad controls is bad for everything. 1.4 update seems like insult to gamepad's users. Mouse have no more limits, gamepad still have slow speed as if specially do for ret-¦rded people. CCP told this almost directly "we are made new, great Aim Assist for this ret-¦rded gamepad users, because all of you are too slow to handle high sensitivity". [emotion mode off] We don't need incredible aim assist. We want to play fair. Without cheating aim assist gamepad is useless now. Too slow. You just dont let us even try to compete vs mouse users. In battlefield 3 i successfully play with sensitivity x3-x4 faster than in dust 514 without any aim assist (i disabled it). But there CCP offer me to forget my skill and use this stupid aim assist only. Just see how Dice made it in bf3 and dont make your own mistakes, learn from succesfull done job. Solution is easy - increasing max level of sens in x4 and nerf aim assist. With this solution newbies can play on low level on sens, strong players will set maximum. At start increase maximum cap of speed of gamepad's sensitivity to equal mouse on hip fire. But in zoom mode it must be a little slower than on hip mode. And, maybe no one will need so strong aim assist. First off, there's supposedly a hard cap on turn speed that mouse users can't break (I havne't personally tested and confirmed this). Secondly, I agree aim assist needs an adjustment downwards in effectiveness. Thirdly, Even before 1.4 happend, CCP confirmed that 1.5 will include the ability to tune hipfire and ADS sensitivity independently of one another. Mouse have good speed for any action, its depend by skill only now. And here is hardware with switchable DPI and macroses... cost 10$ Gamepad is too slow now, i have skill to operate with x3 or x4 faster controls. CCP dont let me it, they just gave me aim assist wich i dont need. Ok, i just dont play this game since 1.3. I hoped about 1.4, but they still think i am cripple with slow reactions. independently tuning is good, when scale of sens for gamepad is from very slow (for newbies) to equal mouse sens. If they will keep current sensitivity difference between mouse and gamepad - it will epic fail. there will always be third party software that gives those kinds of advantages, like modded controllers. Hell, i have an aiming mouse with dpi toggles and a nice assortment of buttons to use. i dont use it for dust tho, partly because it is too cheesy for me and also because i simply cant LOL. we cant rebind keys and just like on a gamepad, people will always be able to artificially increase sensitivity. I spent thousands hours in the Battlefield series on PS3, and can say - modded controllers is soooooo rare, i never met guy with it in Battlefield. Modded gamepads have not so good quality as standart gamepad, and its cost near 50-100$ (dont remember fine), so not many people decide to buy it. In other case in dust 514 with direct mouse support i met them often enough. We all remember tactical AR feature. Reasons - mouse with hardware macroses support is soo cheap. And guys from PC who are accustomed to using macrosest, they even dont understand its cheating to play with it vs DS3 guys. ===================== 2CCP I want to say, CCP made mistake when enabled keyboard and mouse support. And they have no experience for shooters at all (its obvious when see their game changes order), seems like they have no idea how to balance it. But its not impossible. I strongly recommend for them - use other dev's experience for make good gamepad controls. Lol, its ridiculous, in console shooter, where target auditory is gamepad users - they began repair mouse at start. Its not MMO game where controls is not so much important. Its First Person Shooter where controls is vital feature. CCP must do: 1. Make scale of sensitivity for gamepad from very slow to very high value (x4 from current max value, example they can see in battlefield 3, or just the same as mouse have now) And choose skilled gamepad guys for test it before release in main game, who came from COD, BF3 or other AAA games. 1.1 make gamepad controls real smooth and controlable. Now its unplayable about sens, and controls move by fits and starts if compare it with controls in other games like BF3. 1.2 dont forget about different scales of sens for hip fire and zoomed mode. when gamepad controls is ready 2. make mouse controls the same (Dont worry, it will same or almost the same you have in 1.4 about sens, skilled gamepad users arent slowpokes and can operate with high sens with good controls system of course) 3. make many tests, where skilled gamepad players play vs skilled mouse users at infantry. 4vs4 or 8vs8 will enough. 4. Ask players feedback. Think a lot. As far as i know, skilled mouse players will a bit better than gamepad users even with same sensitivity. Make a little aim assist if necessary. 5. make many tests again, tune aim assist. Ask feedbacks. Think a lot. 6. when skilled gamepad users will play on equal (or almost) level with mouse users - you have success. 7. include resutls it in main game. Profit.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 313	Posted - 2013.09.09 12:19:00 - [4] - Quote Fenix Alexarr wrote: Most of my corp uses controllers and some of them are considerably better at Dust than me. Its your own fault, you are too weak at game in general, if you cant play better than gamepad users with better controller. I played a lot among top ds3 players in battlefield 3. And i played a lot in dust 514 with ds3, but when i plugged mouse for test i was just shocked, its have too much advantage all the time in dust 514 (except situation in 6th of may with inputlag xD but it is fixed). 90% mouse users have low level of skill like you, but 2-3% of them have skill and they are almost invincible even for skilled ds3 users. 2-3% its hunderds of players, and top players prefer to stack to one corp almost always. So only way to balance it as i told earlier in this thread.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 314	Posted - 2013.09.10 06:13:00 - [5] - Quote Fenix Alexarr wrote: dalt ud wrote: Fenix Alexarr wrote: Most of my corp uses controllers and some of them are considerably better at Dust than me. Its your own fault, you are too weak at game in general, if you cant play better than gamepad users with better controller. I played a lot among top ds3 players in battlefield 3. And i played a lot in dust 514 with ds3, but when i plugged mouse for test i was just shocked, its have too much advantage all the time in dust 514 (except situation in 6th of may with inputlag xD but it is fixed). 90% mouse users have low level of skill like you, but 2-3% of them have skill and they are almost invincible even for skilled ds3 users. 2-3% its hunderds of players, and top players prefer to stack to one corp almost always. So only way to balance it as i told earlier in this thread. To imply that I am weak with a KB/M is a joke. I've played other games competitively (CS:S). I've played other games for fun - notably UT2004 instagib matches - hint: you can't have weak mouse skills and have fun in these games. You completely missed the point of my post. Teamwork - not personal skill alone - is required to win matches. If you have an actual situation where one man downed your entire team in a match, solo with a KB/M, then come talk to me about how much KB/M is ruining the game. What you are likely seeing is a bunch of talented players grouping up and kicking ass. Join any corp that has districts to defend and ask them what they play with. We don't all use KB/M, and your solution to ban them would only serve to alienate a portion of the loyal player base. Lol, 1vs1 skilled mouse player better than skilled ds3 player. Its fact. 8vs8 skilled mouse players will better than skilled ds3 player. Its fact. 16vs16 skilled mouse players will better than skilled ds3 player. Its fact. I didnt meant mixed team at all. Mixed team is fair play.. I wish you to meet mouse players team when most of your team are gamepad user. Always meet them. Then you, probably, will understand what i mean. Strong players always stick to other strong players, so corps with a lot mouse players not rare. p.s. and the hell with that game, i just dont play it while CCP dont make gamepad controls good quality. Or maybe i wont return at all, because they seems impotent to do it.