But what if i join a lose battle like something like

10-42 clone battle will this affect my changes for getting the rewards.

Win rates are practically an impossibility, unless you are in a dedicated high level corp. I foresee about 20% of people actually earning any rewards from this.


Once you cut off the outlying 10% best and 10% worst players, the average win/loss ratio is about 3:10? Plus you have to consider that the people with already high W/L ratios, will usually be the ones playing most, they will further consume more of the wins, leaving less to the common folk.



At least I got 5% extra SP from the "2x sp event", this one won't give me anything, except being pubstomped more.

just don't get enough WP/

Win/loss results from all Instant Battles and Faction Warfare battles will be counted for the purpose of the event. Please be aware that after the Uprising 1.4 patch, the names within the Battle Finder will be changed. Instant Battles will be changed to Public Contracts and Faction Warfare battles will be renamed to Faction Contracts.

Where are you getting these numbers? It isn't that hard to win 48% of your battles. That is less than half, a failing % by any consideration. Heck, if you are really worried about winning why not join a large corps pub channel and get some help from some heavy hitters. 30 games isn't really that many, I'm sure you easily do that every week.

+1 to you Mintchip and Wang, while I don't need any of these items it still seems like fun. These events a great entertainment.

This dev blog also confirms that 1.4 will drop in the next two weeks.

In the FAQ section:


So 1.4 is going to drop while this event is taking place, nice. I expect it to be next Tuesday, since all patches drop on Tuesday.

Which, if correct, means that ,once again, CCP has us within 7 days of a critial update and still no patch notes. Plus that Eve-VR crap from Gamescon...we see your priorities, CCP, and we are not impressed.

DERP.

i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not.

EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose?

I realized the FAQ for the event noted that leaving a match will still result in a loss (or a win for that matter), depending on the final outcome. It seems they implemented a 100 WP minimum for the match to count for the event, so that AFKing wouldn't be a viable option, but this also protects players that were put into a game on a losing team with the match about to end. As long as you don't charge in and hack an objective or kill a couple of people in the short, losing effort, it should not count against your record.

i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not.

EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose?

I have to agree; there was nothing here new that I couldn't buy at any other time. On top of that, the event's constraints forces you to give a crap about the outcome of the battle for meager prizes.

The Dropsuit BPCs are A-1 class, which if my memory serves me right is the advanced suit, however, suits that I won't use at all since I have been using vehicles recently. The rest of the items seem just as lame to me.

Why CCP... why did you just hand out AURUM Prototype Swarm Launchers (Haywires) to anyone with advanced swarms, yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us?

yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us?

This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem.

Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means:

Protosuits
Mass Drivers
Grenade spam
Oceanic protostomps

The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy.

the suits are standard
"-series" are advanced and w/o that it, its standard.

This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem.

Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means:

Protosuits
Mass Drivers
Grenade spam
Oceanic protostomps

The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy.

Ah, ok. Sorry, still a little confused sometimes with the AURUM name nomenclature.

Lame.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

That makes sense. You wouldn't want people gaming the system for nice BPOs. I do like the thought put into the rules (WP req), lower bar percentage-wise for later tiers, etc.

I realized the FAQ for the event noted that leaving a match will still result in a loss (or a win for that matter), depending on the final outcome. It seems they implemented a 100 WP minimum for the match to count for the event, so that AFKing wouldn't be a viable option, but this also protects players that were put into a game on a losing team with the match about to end. As long as you don't charge in and kill a couple of people in the short, losing effort, it should not count against your record.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

Actually AFKing for people who don't care about the event will go from passive SP collection to full on greifing. Zero WPs then no loss hit while actively holding back their side (that is presuming the person AFKing even intends to play any matches that week much less plans to go for any of the rewards). Law of Unintended Consequences in full effect.


Aside thank you CCP Cmdr Wang for some of the answers. They were helpful.

Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started.

I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out.

I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this:

• Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10
• Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10
• Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10

That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now.

You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy.

Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me.

so that not normal?

so that not normal?

What happens if a join a finishing match or a already onesided match?
Put a time limit like 3 minutes, if you play (spawn) for more than 3 minutes the match count, if you leave before the match don't count.

Just don't reach the 100 WP threshold and the match won't count for you.

LOL this is a bad challenge. it will force you to join up a full squad or join a high rank corp. even more so there is NO balance in the public matches so what if you like running alone and on your side you have nothing but newbies and the other has 2 full squads of (what the french or SVER or imperfects) lol you lose that what. you should make it wins X number of matches not this % thing. i am going to run alone and just join then leave 50 different battles so just to finish this or not play until after the challenge. besides this challenge is CCP way of keep vets players busy and our mind of off CCP lack of NEW content. we want new dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, and maps. not little challenge to keep us busy.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

Full sex on a first date is pretty standard for those that are not beleaguered with negative impressions about sex-positive women.

I'm in my 30s. If I'm going on a date with a woman, then sex on the first date is always on the table. Adults got needs too, not everyone in the world is a horny 15 year old kid.

Remember that if you don't meet the requirement for tier I rewards, you can go for tier II and get both tier I and II rewards. This means if you play 50 matches a week, an average of 7-8 matches a day and win 21 of those matches, you will get rewards from all three tiers! You don't have to be Rambo to win 21 out of 50 matches, so the goals for this event are very reasonable.

Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me.

That's like a minimum of 10+ hours of playing Dust 514 over the course of the week just to get some items most people probably can't even use.

Remember that if you don't meet the requirement for tier I rewards, you can go for tier II and get both tier I and II rewards. This means if you play 50 matches a week, an average of 7-8 matches a day and win 21 of those matches, you will get rewards from all three tiers! You don't have to be Rambo to win 21 out of 50 matches, so the goals for this event are very reasonable.

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

..I really like that the event is requiring people to actually attempt to win battles. At least this will keep people from Event AFKing...

Not sure of the need to increase complexity of these events when you have no tracking. Make it simpler, no 42% here, 45% there at tier this or tier that. Is it asking too much to say just win 20 matches and get xx items, win 30 matches get xx items.

They stack, I don't have to worry about leaving a game wasting my time to try to get the magic % of win/lose or figuring out I lost too many game for tier one so I have to win xx to get tier 2 rewards thus also unlock tier 1.

From one programmer to another, simple just works best.
"Make it so, Number One"

I totally agree simple is good. But the danger is making events too simple. Then people say it's not fun. The Human Endurance event was pretty simple, but then players complained that it was too much grind. Other feedback on previous events also mentioned that multiple goals in a single event will help motivate people to keep playing instead of stopping after reaching a single goal.

Not being able to track progress is something we are working on addressing. In the next patch, you will see the first step towards that. I won't spoil it but you'll be able to read what it is tomorrow when the patch notes go out.

I havent read through this thread yet ( and probably wont )
but if i end up playing 500+ matches in this time period ( which i probably will )
does this mean i have to win 42% of them all??
Or do i just have to win 42% of the first 100 after the event starts

So i ended up reading and coolio
But why are the tier 1 and 2 rewards better than the tier 3 rewards? lol

I like the direction of the event, just not the pay off I guess.

events should honestly make the game feel different bring us out of our normal shell, in this case it's going to make us care about our win loss ratio, but I just find it hard to get motivated for those bpc's...

might be different if the market was in and we could trade them, or if they were officer grade equipment maybe...

end of the day I think i'd of prefered to see this most coincide with the release of a new game mode and then allow players to get said reward by playing said game mode.

So this is your idea on how to get people to care if they win or lose, as opposed to actually fixing the bloody game as we've all been asking for, for months and months. Good job.

Unfortunately yes... I would like to suggest to have a 'no count' for joining a match with like oh say 1 minute let on ambush or 10% clones left.

This may or may not be the right place for my comment but it is Because of this event that I am interested in it.

Specifically how can we track win/loss besides pen and paper. We can get total win/loss over all but I don't know of anyway to find this information out in game. Or in forum for that matter.

If there is, please let me know Dusters.

If not, please think about adding enough information to track event results.

And, as always, we really are anxious to get the API. Even it is means the interface changes with major release numbers. Yes, I can help you design it if needed.

--- ship my post --
Thanks for your intercalation. CCP can husk that info out of the battle logs apparently on demand. Are there any obstacles to make it into individual players' progress reports available from character stats form on batle per batle basis? Additional tab with scrollable text box containing current events stats, generated by some CCP's batch SQL script scheduled to automatically run once every 24H (or often) will do...

yesterday i entered a match wich ended a few seconds after not giving me the time to get 100WP. Am i disqualified for all tiers?

(...)Not being able to track progress is something we are working on addressing. In the next patch, you will see the first step towards that. I won't spoil it but you'll be able to read what it is tomorrow when the patch notes go out.

yesterday i entered a match wich ended a few seconds after not giving me the time to get 100WP. Am i disqualified for all tiers?

you have to get 100wp for the match to count.. so the win/loss isn't counted because you didn't gain 100 wp

you have to get 100wp for the match to count.. so the win/loss isn't counted because you didn't gain 100 wp

I heard it counts as a loss if you win but didn't get 100 WP.

Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.

LOL this is a bad challenge. it will force you to join up a full squad or join a high rank corp. even more so there is NO balance in the public matches so what if you like running alone and on your side you have nothing but newbies and the other has 2 full squads of (what the french or SVER or imperfects) lol you lose that what. you should make it wins X number of matches not this % thing. i am going to run alone and just join then leave 50 different battles so just to finish this or not play until after the challenge. besides this challenge is CCP way of keep vets players busy and our mind of off CCP lack of NEW content. we want new dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, and maps. not little challenge to keep us busy.

Even at the base level out of 100%, each game is worth 2% u only need to win 42% to get tier 3, that's 21 games.

That's a W/L ratio of .42, really low.

Now having said that , the confusion I have is the three tiers.
Each Tier broken down into %'s
Tier 1 48% 15 Games 50% of 30 is 15.
Tier 2 45% 5 games 50% of 10 is 5. You cant win 4 out of 10 because its less than 45%
Tier 3 42% 5 games 50% of 10 is 5.

IF you have to win at a minimum 5 out of ten games in your tier 3 , then all that matters is your tier 3 not the first 40 games.
Because the last 10 of the 50 games is the Tier 3 slot. They say keep playing , because if you unlock tier 3 you unlock 1 and 2.
So even if you went 0/40 and won 5 out of the last 10 , is it possible to still get all the loot?

ok, making the rewards based on team effort is a step in the right direction,

however you still have not fixed pub stomping (and I really don't know how you can effectively do that) and this event gives pub stompers more incentive to stomp...but not to win rewards, they will get them regardless, but to grief other players trying to get them by continuing the stomp long after they get theirs just to deny others a fair shot.

I think if your going to run an event like this, a special pub match should be included that only allows for up to STD gear to be used
that would not only eliminate proto stomping for an event but would also give events like this a raw skill "test your metal" kind of feel.

and im betting you still haven't put any kind of in game tracker for our progress, you all can obviously see how much of a challenge we have completed, doesn't it make sense to give us the same ability? sure figuring out 48% of 30 battles isn't hard and we can use the win/loss counter in our wallet to figure it out... but why make us jump through all those hoops?
if youre going to run events where we must get so many of "x" or do "y' so many times, its only prudent to put a convenient way for us to track it in game.

Remember that if you don't meet the requirement for tier I rewards, you can go for tier II and get both tier I and II rewards. This means if you play 50 matches a week, an average of 7-8 matches a day and win 21 of those matches, you will get rewards from all three tiers! You don't have to be Rambo to win 21 out of 50 matches, so the goals for this event are very reasonable.

It seems kind of easy to exploit. Just wait till the end of the match (you can usually tell the winner by then) and if it looks like you're going to win, go kill 2 people. Not that the rewards are worth wasting that time though...

This is true, I have been in a lot of matches where 10 people have 50 or less points until the last 5 min, but it is going to be hard for CCP to come up with a system that is both fair and prevents people from abusing it. If they can not figure it out, except by trial and error, maybe they could actually seek the communities input and maybe have a competition for us to come up with the best way to have events?

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it.

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

yeah, that's exactly what's happening in half the matches I'm playing tonight

This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem.

Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means:

Protosuits
Mass Drivers
Grenade spam
Oceanic protostomps

The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy.

Looking forward to the challenge I've been on Dust 514 killing in search for Jovian technological weapons hoping some special salvage would appear. I also really wish that the Dust economy would be up and running so I could sell or trade some very impressive weaponry to acquire some assets that I could actually use. My Character is my greatest investment I've fought thousands of battles and will continue to battle through the universe of New Eden. The war never ends . I hope CCP starts the expansion of Planetary Conquest and I also heard rumor of some type of faction wars where the 5 races will be entrenched in battle on Dust 514.I hope you picked the right race because the Gallente mercs on Dust are ruthless. What would it take to become a Jovian mercenary and to get my hands on their weapons, dropsuits and vehicles. New Eden's history is starting to come alive on Dust. The future of Dust is looking amazing, rumor has it that one day you could actually salvage tech and create and customize your own dropsuits,weapons and vehicles. CCP is on the war path to create some awesome stuff for Dust 514, I can't wait.

So have the prizes been given out for both weeks?

I got 1st week prizes but nothing for second week yet.

Thanx! Now I know that this event was completely worthless. I tracked my w/l and know I got tier 3 for the first week, but never got any rewards.

yea wtf me too

yea wtf me too

Really??!!! CCP should have thought this one through! I've watched people Like Enderr Wiggins just quit before the game ends just because he's losing. How you gonna read that. My alt character thanks you for once again screwing with my tank by first giving out sentinel suits and forge guns and now your giving us adv swarms for free, meanwhile you give us crap for a laser and absolutely nothing ever goes to tanks or pilots. At least if your gonna vamp up anti-vehicle mercs, then throw us a bone and toss us better armor or isk to make up for the tanks you just cost me. Thanks for nothing CCP!