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ladwar wrote:

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

BGoat wrote:

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. Big smile

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least Lol

). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Pirate

Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started.

I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out.

I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this:

Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10
Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10
Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10

That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now.

You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy.

Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me.

so that not normal?

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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1200	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:12:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BGoat wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started. I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out. I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this: Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10 Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10 Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10 That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now. You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy. Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. so that not normal?

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2115	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:23:00 - [62] - Quote ladwar wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BGoat wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started. I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out. I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this: Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10 Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10 Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10 That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now. You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy. Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. so that not normal? Come back and tell me when you have a daughter.

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3513	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:26:00 - [63] - Quote sounds an awful lot like we are still in beta? still testing? hard to want to spend more money if we are still testing
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 445	Posted - 2013.08.21 10:07:00 - [64] - Quote ladwar wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: [quote=BGoat]Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. so that not normal? Full sex on a first date is pretty standard for those that are not beleaguered with negative impressions about sex-positive women.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 554	Posted - 2013.08.21 10:45:00 - [65] - Quote I get you want to work mechanics out....I get you don't want to give out big rewards for broken events.... I appreciate you explaining this to us in a straight forward manner... I hope these holiday events reflect this. if not, you will have run out of excuses in my humble opinion for not getting it right. between this event and mordu's challenge you should have enough feedback, metrics, and troll posts to get it right. I will exercise my patients until then.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 449	Posted - 2013.08.21 10:48:00 - [66] - Quote What happens if a join a finishing match or a already onesided match? Put a time limit like 3 minutes, if you play (spawn) for more than 3 minutes the match count, if you leave before the match don't count.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 445	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:01:00 - [67] - Quote shaman oga wrote: What happens if a join a finishing match or a already onesided match? Put a time limit like 3 minutes, if you play (spawn) for more than 3 minutes the match count, if you leave before the match don't count. Just don't reach the 100 WP threshold and the match won't count for you.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1789	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:01:00 - [68] - Quote You know what I like about this event Still not having our matches played number tracked someplace the player can actually see it But hey, something like that wouldnt fit on the character sheet in game so Ill just have to use a trusty notebook just like the last big event to track my numbers
Eldest Dragon D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 79	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:12:00 - [69] - Quote The only thing I might use is the swarm launcher... so pretty much.. I dont even care about this event or how I do. Yay what a fun event. =(
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 449	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:16:00 - [70] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: shaman oga wrote: What happens if a join a finishing match or a already onesided match? Put a time limit like 3 minutes, if you play (spawn) for more than 3 minutes the match count, if you leave before the match don't count. Just don't reach the 100 WP threshold and the match won't count for you. Good tactic, thank you, i've completely miss that point

XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 293	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:42:00 - [71] - Quote Can someone say protostomp? I feel that the first days this event will be a slaughter of Blueberries. I don't like being obligated to dust off my proto just because some proto Wh*re wants to win badly and make my play time unbearable. I guess I'll just make sure to make it as expensive for them as possible, remotes FTW.
Dysnomia Pandora Third Rock From The Sun 18	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:52:00 - [72] - Quote Oh dear an event for protogear, not gonna waste proto on this halfbaked event. I am planning on taking lots tho lol.
ROEG X Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 5	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:53:00 - [73] - Quote Looking forward to the challenge I've been on Dust 514 killing in search for Jovian technological weapons hoping some special salvage would appear. I also really wish that the Dust economy would be up and running so I could sell or trade some very impressive weaponry to acquire some assets that I could actually use. My Character is my greatest investment I've fought thousands of battles and will continue to battle through the universe of New Eden. The war never ends . I hope CCP starts the expansion of Planetary Conquest and I also heard rumor of some type of faction wars where the 5 races will be entrenched in battle on Dust 514.I hope you picked the right race because the Gallente mercs on Dust are ruthless. What would it take to become a Jovian mercenary and to get my hands on their weapons, dropsuits and vehicles. New Eden's history is starting to come alive on Dust. The future of Dust is looking amazing, rumor has it that one day you could actually salvage tech and create and customize your own dropsuits,weapons and vehicles. CCP is on the war path to create some awesome stuff for Dust 514, I can't wait.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5827	Posted - 2013.08.21 12:09:00 - [74] - Quote This is cool and all but it's a straight up crap shoot for those who don't roll around in full squads. ::Shrugs:: At least the rewards are insanely random so I won't be missing out if I don't clear the magic %
jace silencerww D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 5	Posted - 2013.08.21 12:14:00 - [75] - Quote LOL this is a bad challenge. it will force you to join up a full squad or join a high rank corp. even more so there is NO balance in the public matches so what if you like running alone and on your side you have nothing but newbies and the other has 2 full squads of (what the french or SVER or imperfects) lol you lose that what. you should make it wins X number of matches not this % thing. i am going to run alone and just join then leave 50 different battles so just to finish this or not play until after the challenge. besides this challenge is CCP way of keep vets players busy and our mind of off CCP lack of NEW content. we want new dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, and maps. not little challenge to keep us busy.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1133	Posted - 2013.08.21 12:28:00 - [76] - Quote So what happens if I join. And I see another big name team, and then half my team decides to leave, or can I leave too? If your match doesn't count until you have >100 wp can you not just jump from one game to the next until you find a friendly match?
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 446	Posted - 2013.08.21 12:36:00 - [77] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: LOL this is a bad challenge. it will force you to join up a full squad or join a high rank corp. even more so there is NO balance in the public matches so what if you like running alone and on your side you have nothing but newbies and the other has 2 full squads of (what the french or SVER or imperfects) lol you lose that what. you should make it wins X number of matches not this % thing. i am going to run alone and just join then leave 50 different battles so just to finish this or not play until after the challenge. besides this challenge is CCP way of keep vets players busy and our mind of off CCP lack of NEW content. we want new dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, and maps. not little challenge to keep us busy. Oh no, an MMO that rewards you for playing together with others!
Stine Control Carbon 7 CRONOS. 48	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:01:00 - [78] - Quote I don't have any interest in items that are not on the market ! I'm not messing around making dropsuits that I can't restock.
dw ad Phantom Universe Task Force Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:07:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. CCP Cmd Wang, any progress in matchmaking from CCP IforgotHisName ? Or can you explain the term AFK farming (CCP Frame, last event news) in your own words ? Sorry CCP, your different Dust514 teams work like beheaded chickens and treat customers like hamsters in wheels. If there is something like matchmaking ... an example of 50% wins should be an easy task for everyone in public matches. Bring back corp matches and 16 vs 16 can start more events and create more game modes than CCP sent out in the past. Without waiting for the next monthly 1.x beta patch or patch notes. Experimanting their own matchmaking. against = with "You cannot find a place in PC, play against us" "You do not want to play stupid LLAV killer stuff then play against us." "You do not want to do redline sniper stuff, play against us." "Your corp has not enough protos, ok only x are allowed. You save yours and we save ours" "Framerate and frame drops are ugly in game, ok lets play without proto gear (no flooding of big nanohive bubbles, no massholes in close combat ...)" "Netcode is bad yet, ok sorry asians, ocianics and americans we do not want to play with you. Netcode is bad enough with european LAVs" ... BTW Dust 514 is the best VOIP and Chat client for PS3 :) First goal reached!
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 773	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:07:00 - [80] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. If you put in holiday themed dropsuit skins I swear to God I will quit this game. Don't go Aion on me, just don't.

Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:19:00 - [81] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: ladwar wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. so that not normal? Full sex on a first date is pretty standard for those that are not beleaguered with negative impressions about sex-positive women. I'm in my 30s. If I'm going on a date with a woman, then sex on the first date is always on the table. Adults got needs too, not everyone in the world is a horny 15 year old kid.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 447	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:33:00 - [82] - Quote ditto mate, ditto.
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative.. 658	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:51:00 - [83] - Quote Bad rewards not worth the time. I like getting stuff that isnt already available on the marketplace like the black eagle scout suits. Items which are rare like officer weapons!
ROADKILLURAZZ MURDER TAXI COMPANY 86	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:53:00 - [84] - Quote YAWN's sits in mcc, let's others duke It out. If gonna Win Drops an uplink, gets 100wp. WEEEEEEE I might pull out my dusty murder taxi 10k hp for this.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1789	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:03:00 - [85] - Quote Touchy McHealz wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: ladwar wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. so that not normal? Full sex on a first date is pretty standard for those that are not beleaguered with negative impressions about sex-positive women. I'm in my 30s. If I'm going on a date with a woman, then sex on the first date is always on the table. Adults got needs too, not everyone in the world is a horny 15 year old kid. Im in my 20s and there doesnt even need to be a date for sex to be on the table Seriously though these are great times to be alive
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 726	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:16:00 - [86] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem. Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means: Protosuits Mass Drivers Grenade spam Oceanic protostomps The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy. Remember that if you don't meet the requirement for tier I rewards, you can go for tier II and get both tier I and II rewards. This means if you play 50 matches a week, an average of 7-8 matches a day and win 21 of those matches, you will get rewards from all three tiers! You don't have to be Rambo to win 21 out of 50 matches, so the goals for this event are very reasonable. Not sure of the need to increase complexity of these events when you have no tracking. Make it simpler, no 42% here, 45% there at tier this or tier that. Is it asking too much to say just win 20 matches and get xx items, win 30 matches get xx items. They stack, I don't have to worry about leaving a game wasting my time to try to get the magic % of win/lose or figuring out I lost too many game for tier one so I have to win xx to get tier 2 rewards thus also unlock tier 1. From one programmer to another, simple just works best. "Make it so, Number One"
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 447	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:23:00 - [87] - Quote As the illustrious Sponk posted, merely count these figures: * win 14 of your first 30 matches (tier 1 rewards locked in) * win 18 wins by the time you hit 40 matches (tier 1+2 rewards locked in) * win 21 wins by the time you hit 50 matches (tier 1+2+3 rewards locked in)
BGoat The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.08.21 16:10:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: BGoat wrote: ...snip... You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy. Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me. Haha If a kiss is 3rd base, what is 1st base? A flirty glance? In that case, you guys are giving us a lot of flirty glances, but now we just think you're creepy because that's all you do
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. League of Infamy 81	Posted - 2013.08.21 16:43:00 - [89] - Quote sorry to say i cant see this making me wanna play more, same old mediocre rewards. if we could team deploy with our corp it'd raise chances of raising the win/loss chances cos lets face it in a pub match you tend to have half the team as lone wolf guys screwing up
JONAHBENHUR Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 24	Posted - 2013.08.21 17:12:00 - [90] - Quote they way i see it is loot is loot, i am going to put myself into the isk poorhouse to try to do this challenge just to have accomplished it after the mordus fiasco



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