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BGoat wrote:

CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:

Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. Big smile

We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least Lol

). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first.

So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Pirate

Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started.

I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out.

I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this:

Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10
Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10
Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10

That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now.

You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy.

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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1196	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:49:00 - [31] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: ladwar wrote: BGoat wrote: DERP. i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not. EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose? I have to agree; there was nothing here new that I couldn't buy at any other time. On top of that, the event's constraints forces you to give a crap about the outcome of the battle for meager prizes. The Dropsuit BPCs are A-1 class, which if my memory serves me right is the advanced suit, however, suits that I won't use at all since I have been using vehicles recently. The rest of the items seem just as lame to me. Why CCP... why did you just hand out AURUM Prototype Swarm Launchers (Haywires) to anyone with advanced swarms, yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us? the suits are standard "-series" are advanced and w/o that it, its standard.
sammus420 Goonfeet Top Men. 288	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:59:00 - [32] - Quote So.. This event brings absolutely nothing to the game? Not surprising. Just "play more and get crap you won't use." And winning's not even something we have much control over, even a proto squad can't swing the balance of a match if the other 10 people are busy AFKing in the war barge.
BGoat The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 86	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:16:00 - [33] - Quote I think I need to echo the sentiment of others in this thread, in saying that the event rewards are underwhelming What is wrong with giving rare/unique/useful rewards for participating in and completing the objectives of an event? By this, I mean things like: Officer Dropsuit BPCs Officer Weapon BPCs The Pink Quafe Dropsuit or other aesthetically unique dropsuits/weapons/vehicles (Pink Dropship anyone?) Boosters (preferably Omega ) Unique Forum Avatars Aurum (with which the player can purchase things they would actually use) You catch my drift.... These events should be good for the community and break up the monotony of the daily SP grind. Unfortunately, they fall flat because nobody cares about the prizes. I like the idea of BPCs that can be used without any skill requirements, it gives those newer players a rare glimpse into the potential power they will one day be able to wield on a regular basis, a carrot to chase. While that is a good thing, you still have to do something to keep the veteran players interested as well, which means upping the meta level on prizes and offering truly unique items.
Sardonk Eternia Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc. 157	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:19:00 - [34] - Quote Wow you guys had time to cook this garbage up but we still get no patch notes? Maybe save the events for after you make the game worth playing?
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 721	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:26:00 - [35] - Quote A for effort. F for a event we want. As a CEO and someone that has been here for over a year, I am and I know many of my dust friends are getting restless on these events, the rewards are so sub-par and uninteresting. Do interesting things like triple the destruction reward where killing advance/proto suits/tanks/dropships results in a much larger payout at the end of the match. Keep with the tiers idea and do kill counts based on certain items like 10 kills with remotes, 25 kills with remotes, etc. Instead of offering different items just scale the reward! every xx kills with xx you get xx amt of xx as a reward. I realize you are most likely very limited on what types of events you can run but really the only events that get my members back are those that are based around SP rewards. If CPM did have input in this event, I have to say I am disappointed, was the community involved at any point? this seems to be a reoccurring theme. Come up with ideas and seek feedback, vote, talk, communication please.
Thumb Green Novashift 305	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:08:00 - [36] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us? We can only hope that we'll see some vehicle rewards in the next event leading up to the 1.5 patch since it is the vehicle patch. Also, Asirius Medaius suggested a wonderfully grand idea for rewards in future events. I didn't play enough to cap out during the last 3x sp event, I didn't play enough to cap out during the so called 2x sp event, and it's possible I'll play enough to earn the rewards from this event; but I most certainly would play enough to earn boosters, especially omega boosters.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 373	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:38:00 - [37] - Quote Tough crowd. Seems like a fun event to me..... I doubt I'll count my win/loss ratio, however I typically play between 40 - 50 games a week and almost always get more than 100wp. I guess these few weeks I'll, uh.... do the same thing I always do? And potentially get rewarded for it? Hm.... cool! Thanks CCP! I am looking forward to trying out the commando suits.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 548	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:51:00 - [38] - Quote ok, making the rewards based on team effort is a step in the right direction, however you still have not fixed pub stomping (and I really don't know how you can effectively do that) and this event gives pub stompers more incentive to stomp...but not to win rewards, they will get them regardless, but to grief other players trying to get them by continuing the stomp long after they get theirs just to deny others a fair shot. I think if your going to run an event like this, a special pub match should be included that only allows for up to STD gear to be used that would not only eliminate proto stomping for an event but would also give events like this a raw skill "test your metal" kind of feel. and im betting you still haven't put any kind of in game tracker for our progress, you all can obviously see how much of a challenge we have completed, doesn't it make sense to give us the same ability? sure figuring out 48% of 30 battles isn't hard and we can use the win/loss counter in our wallet to figure it out... but why make us jump through all those hoops? if youre going to run events where we must get so many of "x" or do "y' so many times, its only prudent to put a convenient way for us to track it in game.
LCB Holdings Expert Intervention Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:23:00 - [39] - Quote Such a boring event with mediocre rewards
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 474	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:34:00 - [40] - Quote For the love of god CCP, whoever plans these events need to quit and let someone else with more common sense take over. And stop using the term "we used player feedback so we changed the rules" because you never asked us if we wanted these kind of restrictions. Oh and if the person doesnt meet the 48% requirement, its no different than that guy who never got a chance to kill a Templar, [sarcasm]yea you learned your past mistakes alright [/sarcasm] The event requirements are ******. Just remove the stupid 50% win:loss ratio so EVERYONE can enjoy your event. Thats the point of events ya know? So EVERYONE can enjoy it, yes? Put yourself in the player's shoes when they play 30/40/50 matches to find out they didnt meet that magical 48% win/loss and spent all that time during your event to get nothing. This is one of my few angry posts towards you CCP, get your ** together.

David Spd Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 70	Posted - 2013.08.21 03:18:00 - [41] - Quote More nonsensical roleplay garbage events. And consumables, pass.... stupid events.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 363	Posted - 2013.08.21 04:23:00 - [42] - Quote This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem. Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means: Protosuits Mass Drivers Grenade spam Oceanic protostomps The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 376	Posted - 2013.08.21 04:45:00 - [43] - Quote Glad we are doing another event, it's cool how ccp is learning off previous events. I expect some tough matches. I don't want to be in the noob team though lol neither in the pubstomp full proto side either although it will make it easy. Any who, an event is an event, so enjoy it. Selling all of the rewards should be nice. So in order for your ration to count you have to put in 100wp right?
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 376	Posted - 2013.08.21 04:47:00 - [44] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem. Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means: Protosuits Mass Drivers Grenade spam Oceanic protostomps The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy. Yea I can see some faults man, shame shame. Don't forget the king of all weapons the AR, it's going to be shredding everything. The second I see a top corp, I'll back out. No need to be in that game. Unless it's 16 against 6 of them
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 376	Posted - 2013.08.21 04:57:00 - [45] - Quote I like the event ideas ppl have been posting here, very creative and meaningful! Take notes. One day, ccp will make us all happy. I hope.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 259	Posted - 2013.08.21 05:49:00 - [46] - Quote ladwar wrote: Asirius Medaius wrote: ladwar wrote: BGoat wrote: DERP. i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not. EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose? I have to agree; there was nothing here new that I couldn't buy at any other time. On top of that, the event's constraints forces you to give a crap about the outcome of the battle for meager prizes. The Dropsuit BPCs are A-1 class, which if my memory serves me right is the advanced suit, however, suits that I won't use at all since I have been using vehicles recently. The rest of the items seem just as lame to me. Why CCP... why did you just hand out AURUM Prototype Swarm Launchers (Haywires) to anyone with advanced swarms, yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us? the suits are standard "-series" are advanced and w/o that it, its standard. Ah, ok. Sorry, still a little confused sometimes with the AURUM name nomenclature.

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2096	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:03:00 - [47] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: This is a great idea with the 100 WP requirement, and the rewards seem real nice, but I foresee a problem. Since you have to win just under half of your first 30 matches, people will be trying their damned best to make sure they win. Which means: Protosuits Mass Drivers Grenade spam Oceanic protostomps The people who don't have the skills for protosuits yet will be screwed for this very reason, and I believe fights will be very one-sided since the matchmaking is still bad in this game, not to mention pretty much no segregation between high SP and low SP players outside the academy. Remember that if you don't meet the requirement for tier I rewards, you can go for tier II and get both tier I and II rewards. This means if you play 50 matches a week, an average of 7-8 matches a day and win 21 of those matches, you will get rewards from all three tiers! You don't have to be Rambo to win 21 out of 50 matches, so the goals for this event are very reasonable.

Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 863	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:03:00 - [48] - Quote this is the most ******** rewards ive seen. Wow. no

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2097	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:10:00 - [49] - Quote Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1198	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:13:00 - [50] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: ladwar wrote: Asirius Medaius wrote: ladwar wrote: BGoat wrote: DERP. i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not. EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose? I have to agree; there was nothing here new that I couldn't buy at any other time. On top of that, the event's constraints forces you to give a crap about the outcome of the battle for meager prizes. The Dropsuit BPCs are A-1 class, which if my memory serves me right is the advanced suit, however, suits that I won't use at all since I have been using vehicles recently. The rest of the items seem just as lame to me. Why CCP... why did you just hand out AURUM Prototype Swarm Launchers (Haywires) to anyone with advanced swarms, yet not a single item for Vehicle players? Do you really just not care about us? the suits are standard "-series" are advanced and w/o that it, its standard. Ah, ok. Sorry, still a little confused sometimes with the AURUM name nomenclature. AURUM and ISK still fall under the same naming only a very very small amount of stuff doesn't follow the naming rules and don't share names.cough turretscough

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1566	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:21:00 - [51] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Lame. agreed
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1964	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:23:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. That makes sense. You wouldn't want people gaming the system for nice BPOs. I do like the thought put into the rules (WP req), lower bar percentage-wise for later tiers, etc.
Croned C0NTRA UNIT Lokun Listamenn 369	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:53:00 - [53] - Quote It seems kind of easy to exploit. Just wait till the end of the match (you can usually tell the winner by then) and if it looks like you're going to win, go kill 2 people. Not that the rewards are worth wasting that time though...
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD 379	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:53:00 - [54] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. That makes sense. You wouldn't want people gaming the system for nice BPOs. I do like the thought put into the rules (WP req), lower bar percentage-wise for later tiers, etc. Agreed. People have already pointed out that this event will encourage proto-stomping, thereby causing a lot of grief for new players. Imagine if something really valuable was on the line.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 275	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:07:00 - [55] - Quote BGoat wrote: ladwar wrote: BGoat wrote: DERP. i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not. EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose? I realized the FAQ for the event noted that leaving a match will still result in a loss (or a win for that matter), depending on the final outcome. It seems they implemented a 100 WP minimum for the match to count for the event, so that AFKing wouldn't be a viable option, but this also protects players that were put into a game on a losing team with the match about to end. As long as you don't charge in and kill a couple of people in the short, losing effort, it should not count against your record. Actually AFKing for people who don't care about the event will go from passive SP collection to full on greifing. Zero WPs then no loss hit while actively holding back their side (that is presuming the person AFKing even intends to play any matches that week much less plans to go for any of the rewards). Law of Unintended Consequences in full effect. Aside thank you CCP Cmdr Wang for some of the answers. They were helpful.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1136	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:25:00 - [56] - Quote Big step in thr right direction. Also I offer my services as a squad leader / gun for people who really want to make sure they win :-) Also more squads mean more suits on each side :-)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1389	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:32:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. The only thing events have to do for us is make us care. I mean I don't even mind what I get so long as the premise of the event is interesting and meaningful. Caldari Prime was the best example of this. Fighting on New maps representative of a titan crashing on a planet with two sides duking it out, and a war in space..... that's the kind of event idea we should get every game.
BGoat The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:04:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started. I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out. I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this: Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10 Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10 Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10 That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now. You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1199	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:19:00 - [59] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: BGoat wrote: ladwar wrote: BGoat wrote: DERP. i'll still AFK past through the losing matches. the rewards are so lack luster to me it would not matter one bit if i got them or not. EDIT: it never said if you join a losing a match but failed to say if you leave that w/ less then 100 WP does it still count as a lose? I realized the FAQ for the event noted that leaving a match will still result in a loss (or a win for that matter), depending on the final outcome. It seems they implemented a 100 WP minimum for the match to count for the event, so that AFKing wouldn't be a viable option, but this also protects players that were put into a game on a losing team with the match about to end. As long as you don't charge in and kill a couple of people in the short, losing effort, it should not count against your record. Actually AFKing for people who don't care about the event will go from passive SP collection to full on greifing. Zero WPs then no loss hit while actively holding back their side (that is presuming the person AFKing even intends to play any matches that week much less plans to go for any of the rewards). Law of Unintended Consequences in full effect. Aside thank you CCP Cmdr Wang for some of the answers. They were helpful. i like griefing

CCP Cmdr Wang C C P C C P Alliance 2112	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:06:00 - [60] - Quote BGoat wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Okay, so you guys want better rewards for doing events, we get it. We want to make sure the events themselves are working in the right direction before we start throwing out the goodies, and believe me, there are some sweet things coming (for events at least ). We are working on a holiday themed event for later this year, and we'll make sure you guy get lot's of cool stuff, but to do that, we have to make sure the event goals are solid first. So, thanks for all the comments, yes, even from you trolls because even your rants provide useful information and I'll be seeing you on the battlefields of New Eden soon. Honestly, this seems like a poor excuse for offering rewards that are mediocre at best and would never be used by most of the people receiving those rewards. Testing an event with decent rewards at stake will reveal far more valuable information than testing an event that has lost the interest of the player base before it has even started. I really don't see what the big deal is, and I'm not trying to troll. If you are worried about making sure the mechanics of the events are sound before "throwing out the goodies", then stick with the BPC rewards and avoid handing out BPOs. The BPCs are consumable, so any damage that may occur as a result of flawed event mechanics and/or people gaming the system would be limited due to the finite supply of rewards given out. I don't think I would be alone in saying this event would be much more exciting / worth participating in if the reward schedule were something like this: Tier I - Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun BPC x 10 Tier II - Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle BPC x 10 Tier III - Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPC x 10 That's only 30 total consumable BPCs maximum, but even at such low quantities, that schedule of rewards is orders of magnitude more appealing than what we have now. You are at the dance and you really want to kiss the girl you came with. Good news, she really wants you to kiss her too, so stop worrying about whether the moment is perfect and get on with it. As long as you don't puke on her, it will be a win-win. Stop being such a prude, or before you know it, the dance will be over and nobody will go home happy. Sounds like trying to get to 3rd base on a first date to me.




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