That flaylock has got to get nerfed, its clearly over powering the other sidearms. Now don't nerf it till its useless but nerf it by either tighting the blast radius or you can do less damage with the blast radius. (one hit kills are fine if its a direct hit) but it should do like 4 hits by blast radius because reloading with that thing is crazy, its reloads so fast. its gotta get some kind of tone down. I've seen it a dozen times a whole team running flaylock and only swapping out the assault rifles after shooting that flaylock. Sidearms are suppose to be a last stand, its a primary is being pushed by a sidearm there is a problem.

That flaylock has got to get nerfed, its clearly over powering the other sidearms. Now don't nerf it till its useless but nerf it by either tighting the blast radius or you can do less damage with the blast radius. (one hit kills are fine if its a direct hit) but it should do like 4 hits by blast radius because reloading with that thing is crazy, its reloads so fast. its gotta get some kind of tone down. I've seen it a dozen times a whole team running flaylock and only swapping out the assault rifles after shooting that flaylock. Sidearms are suppose to be a last stand, its a primary is being pushed by a sidearm there is a problem.

That flaylock has got to get nerfed, its clearly over powering the other sidearms. Now don't nerf it till its useless but nerf it by either tighting the blast radius or you can do less damage with the blast radius. (one hit kills are fine if its a direct hit) but it should do like 4 hits by blast radius because reloading with that thing is crazy, its reloads so fast. its gotta get some kind of tone down. I've seen it a dozen times a whole team running flaylock and only swapping out the assault rifles after shooting that flaylock. Sidearms are suppose to be a last stand, its a primary is being pushed by a sidearm there is a problem.

How to fix the flaylock:

Reduce splash damage by 50%

Reduce blast radius of the ADV. and PRO. to 1.0

Increase headshot dmg percentage to 125%

Increase missile travel speed by 50%

Increase clip size by 1

Increase PG requirements


That is all.

A direct hit shouldn't be a one hit kill seeing as it's not even that way for Mass Drivers.

No No Noooooo !!!!! i have way to much fun with my little pistol

How to fix the flaylock:

Reduce splash damage by 50%

Reduce blast radius of the ADV. and PRO. to 1.0

Increase headshot dmg percentage to 125%

Increase missile travel speed by 50%

Increase clip size by 1

Increase PG requirements


That is all.

A direct hit shouldn't be a one hit kill seeing as it's not even that way for Mass Drivers.

Horrible horrible idea! Why? Try out the standard flaylock which is STILL better than what you're suggesting...and it's barely usable.

Headshot damage is laughable given the flight time, it's pretty much impossible to score a headshot unless you're facing a dumb opponent who stands still.

That is all.

That's all? do you want it to shoot marshmallows too?

Anyone of those would be fine on it's own, but all of them? I'm glad you don't work for CCP... wait... wait.... wait, crap, that's a lot like their nerf method actually

You're lying out your ass, it takes at a minimum two DIRECT shots to kill anything. Only thing dying in 1 hit is a militia scout.

Could you at least explain the reasonings of why you feel it is a nerf? It just sounds like some people want to keeps its ease of use (which is exactly why so many people use it).

I've used all Flaylocks. The GN and especially the Core models are way too easy to get kills with.

I think my suggestions are fair as they punish players that don't aim close enough and increases ease of direct contact for those who actually try to hit their targets.

Headshots would not be difficult to achieve when firing into a group of players in a gang shootout. Makes for easy pickings. It's the same thing I do with a scrambler pistol.

Hmm, maybe not one hit kills always but I seem to get wasted by mass drivers in one hit and flaylocks almost instantly even running two complex shield extenders. Not saying my skills are the best, but I'd like to think I'm not that bad :/

How on earth does firing into a group with a gun that has significant bullet travel time "headshots easier". Simply by the added luck factor?

Comon', re-read your suggestions, they're horrible...they would make th gun even worse than the standard version.

You DO know the the flaylocks splash radius increases with distance, right? The further you are from targets, the larger the radius becomes.

You're lying out your ass, it takes at a minimum two DIRECT shots to kill anything. Only thing dying in 1 hit is a militia scout.

Hmm, not quite on topic, but for the ones who say you can't be one shotted. I just got roased by a militia MD that listed the damage received as 1300ish....so hmm.

You DO know the the flaylocks splash radius increases with distance, right? The further you are from targets, the larger the radius becomes. Firing into a groups with a 50% missile speed (which IS significant for this type of weapon) would increase the chances of 1HK on individual targets AND damaging everyone else around them.

Try shooting someone upclose and then far away and you will notice the difference. You can currently splash people to death with missiles that land around 6 Ft (2 meters), when at distance. This is perfectly noticable when shooting downward from up top.

Please see real data here on how OP the Flaylock is:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024432#post1024432

Play an ambush Mr. Alot of core flaylock. Tisk tisk

I can probably count on one hand how often I die to a flaylock on an average day. They're pretty predictable and easy to dodge when you know someone has one and if you stay out of their effective range. I've seen maybe one guy who's actually really good with one and can kill you at just about any range. It's only OP when six people are spamming them at once, just like grenades.

You're lying out your ass, it takes at a minimum two DIRECT shots to kill anything. Only thing dying in 1 hit is a militia scout.

No No Noooooo !!!!! i have way to much fun with my little pistol

If you dont believe me see the information for yourself
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Flaylock_Pistol
The standard flaylock pistol does 218 on contact and 195 on splash. Average standard drop suit medium runs under 200 hp for most of its shielding and armor. The reload time is 3 seconds which is the same speed as the standard scrambler pistol. Total wtf there. so 218 damage is a kill to anyone not using shield extenders or not using caldari uniforms. and if shields are down instant kill on contact or damn near death by splash if not kill. guarantee. common tactics is flux than flaylock or Mass with flaylock to drain shielding to one hit kill regardless of being a heavy or not. I TESTED this check it out for yourself. Oh and your kills that require two shots are probably splash damage because contact shots are very hard to do.

But for those who want to see real proof check out this guys youtube video of the flaylock. Pay attention how his aim is literally off the target by massive amount in close quarters. Long distance shots not so bad but usually spamming the shots and technically he is compensating for bullet drop but the drop is not that big anyone could do that (Tell me when you watch this video; how many times do you see him aim down his sights vs hip fire aiming). pay attention to the 2 shot kills that are done by splash damage or these guys health are already low vs the one hit kill. And those that do survive two hits probably have shield extenders. Oh and he gets 60points a kill because of the command ring on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45RspYrxw


My SOLUTION: just nerf the damage on Shielding. Keep the damage rate if your shields are down because if your rocking the caldari your solid but running gallente your in trouble. Balance right there by simply counter picking.

A core flaylock will do 197 to shields on a direct hit with no modifiers, those extenders combined with your base shields should give you enough buffer to survive at least 1 hit.

Now... if they've got proficiency and mods....

If you dont believe me see the information for yourself
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Flaylock_Pistol
The standard flaylock pistol does 218 on contact and 195 on splash. Average standard drop suit medium runs under 200 hp for most of its shielding and armor. The reload time is 3 seconds which is the same speed as the standard scrambler pistol. Total wtf there. so 218 damage is a kill to anyone not using shield extenders or not using caldari uniforms. and if shields are down instant kill on contact or damn near death by splash if not kill. guarantee. common tactics is flux than flaylock or Mass with flaylock to drain shielding to one hit kill regardless of being a heavy or not. I TESTED this check it out for yourself. Oh and your kills that require two shots are probably splash damage because contact shots are very hard to do.

But for those who want to see real proof check out this guys youtube video of the flaylock. Pay attention how his aim is literally off the target by massive amount in close quarters. Long distance shots not so bad but usually spamming the shots and technically he is compensating for bullet drop but the drop is not that big anyone could do that (Tell me when you watch this video; how many times do you see him aim down his sights vs hip fire aiming). pay attention to the 2 shot kills that are done by splash damage or these guys health are already low vs the one hit kill. And those that do survive two hits probably have shield extenders. Oh and he gets 60points a kill because of the command ring on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45RspYrxw


My SOLUTION: just nerf the damage on Shielding. Keep the damage rate if your shields are down because if your rocking the caldari your solid but running gallente your in trouble. Balance right there by simply counter picking.

um check your ingame stats of Core Flaylock pistol. its 225 base damage on contact. Go to core flaylock in the marketplace hit triangle and see the attributes to the weapon damage. Add damage modifers in can do damage up to nearly 300 hp on splash. i dont even want to go into proficiency

Check your display when targeting people.

That's total damage dealt, not from one shot.

Oh, and the Flaylock (or MD) isn't OP.

Shields take 70 percent damage.

218 = 152.6, that's not particularly hard to get is it?

how often are people shields already slightly lower

Very, but if they were already injured, then i didn't exactly 1 shot them.

And yeah sure, damage mods help, at the cost survivablity, damage mods for a side-arm? No thanks.

But if you check out this video you will see how easy it is to use as a primary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45RspYrxw

He killed a bunch of INJURED people, big deal. Most of the were already half dead.

A few of them, not all of them. quite abit of them had full health and he is rocking a sidearm which he isn't aiming his shot with them. Look bud i like the weapon too, but to many times have i seen a Logistics Caldri Group rally to gather with 3 complex damage modifers and two shield extenders with their weapon of choice is a sidearm.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

A few of them, not all of them. quite abit of them had full health and he is rocking a sidearm which he isn't aiming his shot with them. Look bud i like the weapon too, but to many times have i seen a Logistics Caldri Group rally to gather with 3 complex damage modifers and two shield extenders with their weapon of choice is a sidearm.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

You say he wasn't aiming, he most certainly was, he was also spamming the trigger, but he was aiming, since most of his shots were from a distance.

And he was using trajectory prediction as well.

I believe the forge-gunners call it "leading", but nah, clearly he was just shooting randomly

I believe the forge-gunners call it "leading", but nah, clearly he was just shooting randomly

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

exactly you can see how he is shooting by how often he over shoots his firing rate. Meaning he shoots them an extra one or two times he is dead

No No Noooooo !!!!! i have way to much fun with my little pistol

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

I'll translate:

"Okay, we got it, the Flaylock is OP. Thing is, we havent figured out how to balance it yet and being as 1.3 is code/content locked, dont expect anything done until late August/early September at the very least."

I'll translate:

"Okay, we got it, the Flaylock is OP. Thing is, we havent figured out how to balance it yet and being as 1.3 is code/content locked, dont expect anything done until late August/early September at the very least."

How anyone can watch that video and think "man, that guy is skilled" while toasting every enemy in sight with his sidearm and just a couple clicks....just.....

This community

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

AWESOME! i was so close to quiting this game because i ran into 3 matches of Core Flaylock spammers who just ran logi flaylock. Almost went back to BF3 hoping you guys bring in something special before BF4

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

How anyone can watch that video and think "man, that guy is skilled" while toasting every enemy in sight with his sidearm and just a couple clicks....just.....

This community

Any idea if we can see changes for the flaylock in 1.3 or will this remain imbalanced until late august for 1.4?

other sidearms can out DPS their light weapon counterparts.

Can we get a reply on dropships? Even if you just tell us they are being looked at. Maybe shed some light on if they will seen changes in the near future? Thanks

Shut up before you get the SMG nerfed because it's better than the Ar in certain situations

I guess I should expect the AR to be the only viable weapon long term then, eh?

Why bother making the rest of the game?

The game, even with the current condition of the flaylock, is still all AR, all the time.

Way to nerf diversity ccp.

I'm just gonna say **** everything and skill into the gayssault rifle... Since that's the only weapon allowed to be rediculous and nobody will say anything about.

I'm just gonna say **** everything and skill into the gayssault rifle... Since that's the only weapon allowed to be rediculous and nobody will say anything about.

What, no? It's a jack of all trades weapon that beats every other weapon in their intended roles.

Whoops, I mean, It gets out ranged by snipers... and it doesn't hurt tanks.

I've finished off a few tanks with the flaylock...

That flaylock has got to get nerfed, its clearly over powering the other sidearms. Now don't nerf it till its useless but nerf it by either tighting the blast radius or you can do less damage with the blast radius. (one hit kills are fine if its a direct hit) but it should do like 4 hits by blast radius because reloading with that thing is crazy, its reloads so fast. its gotta get some kind of tone down. I've seen it a dozen times a whole team running flaylock and only swapping out the assault rifles after shooting that flaylock. Sidearms are suppose to be a last stand, its a primary is being pushed by a sidearm there is a problem.

Boooo

OMG!

someones gonna have to spec into ARs

AWESOME! i was so close to quiting this game because i ran into 3 matches of Core Flaylock spammers who just ran logi flaylock. Almost went back to BF3 hoping you guys bring in something special before BF4

It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.

Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.

Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it.

+100

Thats out of about 110 people ive spoken to 'in passing' regarding the flaylock. I dont play very much any more. A good game in beta just got annoying. Closed beta was plagued by op rocket launchers getting instant kills, open beta by massdrivers, how the flaylock got through early stages of quality control i have no idea. Just look to these imbalanced LAVs (which of course will be used as murder taxis) to see just how wrong things can be when released.

so i think there are two overarching problems here

A) problem at hand: how to balance the flaylock.
B) how to prevent this with all the other new things on the way.

Re A), my 2p is that

1) ROF should come down (its an impact sensitive explosive, it should be handled carefully inside the chambers of the weapon)
2) connected to point 1, occasionally they should backfire, this is nothing strange, scramblers overheat.
3) shells that fit inside a pistol will be small, and as such, should do LOW damage.
4) the barrel of a pistol is SHORT, thus accuraccy should be bad.

Sure, keep the weapon for diversity, but it needs to come down a long way (cue the 1000 hardcore flaylock users outrage). Its not even a primary, the fact you are using it as one shows it is op. its nothing personal.

It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.

Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.

Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it.

alright guys I think by now CCP understands that the flaylock needs to be twerked or fixed so just chill..... hold up while we wait for CCP to come up with a patch we're still getting fked up by these flaylocks. GRRRRRR nevermind keep posting on this thread

I find your faith in CCP's balancing skills disturbing.

If the gun is broke, then what are ARs? Rich?

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.

Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.

Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

I find your faith in CCP's balancing skills disturbing.

Please balance the weapon but dont pull a Laser Rifle on the damn thing! Don't kill it off please. Real balance. Try a few different approaches n see what balances best. (Blast radius or radius damage or rate of fire etc.)

R.I.P. Flaylock

Its gonna be a popgun now.

Sloth, do you ever stop trying to make the world a better place?

Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)

People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.

I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair.

Balance is a tricky thing and requires trial and error.

dont accuse everyone of complaining, that makes you a hypocrite.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

Really? How many TARs do you encounter these days? Not many if any. I think they overdid it as they do..

See, that shouldn't be the measure.

I still get killed by them sometimes but obviously if many of the users arent going to learn the strength of a weapon and just drop it as soon as they heard it was nerfed how will you see it.

The same will happen, people will leave the flaylock if they have to pause between shots or have to line up shots more than just spam etc but others who like and use it should be able to use it well.

See, that shouldn't be the measure. I bet many of them went back to GEK's Duvolle's or skilled into ScR's.

Maybe they are the ones running dual flaylocks now.

I still get killed by them sometimes but obviously if many of the users arent going to learn the strength of a weapon and just drop it as soon as they heard it was nerfed how will you see it.

The same will happen, people will leave the flaylock if they have to pause between shots or have to line up shots more than just spam etc but others who like and use it should be able to use it well.

Any idea if we can see changes for the flaylock in 1.3 or will this remain imbalanced until late august for 1.4?

It should be the measure. There's no need for any other weapons if everyone is going to run the AR. The only future proof weapon in dust. Doesn't sound fun to me, but meh, that's where we're heading.

Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

lol that game where you threw that metal blade thing around...

Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)

People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.

I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair.

Never heard of it. It was a popular shooter?

No not really. Lots of promotions and expectations surrounded it at the time. The gameplay was built around a blade thing the guy could control like a boomerang. It's funny he'd mention it... so arbitrary. Also it was primarily a single player game.

It should be the measure. There's no need for any other weapons if everyone is going to run the AR. The only future proof weapon in dust. Doesn't sound fun to me, but meh, that's where we're heading.


Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

Tribes. Any of them.

Pretty much any old school shooter.

Also, just because the AR is the lowest common denominator doesn't mean it's what Dust should revolve around. I thought Dust was trying to be different.

I like how it is in Gears - The AR is bread and butter but all of the weapons are way cooler and can be far superior in the right hands.

Obviously in Dust they need to strike the right balance because weapons have to be skilled into but really and truly, many people crying about the FP are doing so because they are running headlong into battle and around corners and getting blasted.

They arent fighting at range where they can dodge the missiles, especially after the range patch made the rifles better.

This is not to say that the weapon doesnt need to be addressed but it also speaks to how some want it their way all the time.

You site the TAC rifle, and yet... how many things did they actually change on it? If anything, the tac rifle is proof that CCP doesn't know what they're actually doing, they just make a bunch of changes and hope it works.

When they first nerfed the HMG, they nerfed range AND damage, do you not see how stupid that was? When trying to balance something, you need to change as few variable as little as possible, not drastic changes. Dmg and range were overkill in the HMGs case, so bad that they actually had to go back and re-buff it.

This si why people always assume OP stuff is going to get nerfed to ****, because it's what CCP does.

How so (re TAC) - They correctly imo brought down the RoF and they made it less accurate in hip fire which maybe more controversial but it is a weapon that should be used at range and if it is used that way it will still kill while allowing the user to keep distance.

The AR on the other hand probably needs real recoil to force users to do focused fire because right now with no skills I just drop it on the target and pull the trigger - no adjustment needed if opponent doesnt move no matter the distance.

It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.

Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.

Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it.

Why does the flaylock do more splash damage than a Large Missile Turret? And why does it have a faster rate of fire than the MD with more damage? And why can two be equipped with 4 rounds each?

Why does the flaylock do more splash damage than a Large Missile Turret? And why does it have a faster rate of fire than the MD with more damage? And why can two be equipped with 4 rounds each?

Why can my tank not slaughter infantry? And why does a low -mid range weapon behave differently from a mid - high range weapon that is completely different aside from both having splash damage? And why am I allowed to ask such a stupid question?

Well the RoF change was obvious, but everything else?
Like the ammo, why did that need a change after the RoF nerf? My point is CCPs busts out a flamethrower to light the candles on a birthday cake.

Well the RoF change was obvious, but everything else?
Like the ammo, why did that need a change after the RoF nerf? My point is CCPs busts out a flamethrower to light the candles on a birthday cake.

Sir, you couldn't balance the ratio between bacon and vegetables in an epic meal.

1. because you're in a tank
2. why do snipers get outdamaged by shotguns?
3. because they can, not that it's a good idea, Scrambler/AR + Flaylock is far deadlier

[Scrambler Pistols are not better than Scrambler Rifles, and SMGs are not better than ARs, just because of a lack of range.

Scrambler Pistols are not better than Scrambler Rifles

When so many people are using it as a primary weapon something is wrong. There will always be those guys that run around with only Assault Rifles, just because he can. But when everyone is doing it's its probably too easy.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

TL:DR - In Conclusion, the std and adv variants aren't OP enough, please buff the flaylock pistol!!

Exactly. Anybody who owns a core flaylock and says they aren't OP is lying out their arse. I have a standard flaylock just to keep up in part with the core flaylock users and that thing is incredible! I hit one guy dead on and he just popped. Even the standard variant is OP as hell.

My suggestion for a nerf could go two ways - Increase splash radius, lower splash damage. Lower the direct damage of all variants to be the same as the basic variants and balance accordingly.

OR

Keep direct damage as it is and lower the splash damage and splash radius by a lot.

Lol. Anecdotes. They rule.

Go AR or go home.

how about releasing the proposals BEFORE content lock? hmmmmm?

We're off to the races with an audience of core gamers," he told us. "So we're now entering our fast iteration cycle, doing monthly updates. A very tight collaboration with the community, as we've done with EVE throughout the years. -Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson

lol nerf direct damage? GTFO

A'hhh man, gotta love dem anecdotes

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

... can we possibly skip the months of waiting for a long, drawn out, well explained justification for the changes that are coming and just give it to us a single sentence now?

For example: Blast radius nerfed, damage nerfed.

That didn't take a devblog we had to wait a month for, I just wrote it.

You guys can do the same, comn try it.

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

Woah now, listen to me. I have been playing Dust since it was a closed beta. Back then I realized the power and importance of specialization. My 1st go around, I skilled up using laser rifles. I sucked at 1st but after becoming familiar with the weapon and skilling it up, I entered a demigod state. Streams of hatemail flooded my mailbox that I began to treasure. The laser rifle then got nerfed not too much later. I was upset because I had invested nearly all my skill points into it and CCP seemed to nerf me back down so that it would be fair to other players...
After the skill wipe when Dust was released, I decided to change things up a bit. I evaluated the weapons and chose assault rilfes as my specialization, specifically tactical assault rifles. Again, I sucked at 1st, but after some skilling and experience with the weapon I again became God-like. Now, I want to state that it is not only the experience and skill points that get me to this Achilles-like state but also extreme tactical perfection that cannot be skilled with in game points. So as things go, CCP nerfs the assault rilfes. I was reasonably upset. I had invested so much into it. I understand that the weapons were trending, but i had stuck with it from the beginning (and maybe even inspired other players to start the trend). Luckily, there was an optional skill reset in my near future.
Ok, so I finally got all my skills reset and I begin the process of picking a new best friend from the arsenal. I wanted to focus on fitting the suit's modules and leaving lots of CPU and PG for it. I looked through the sidearms and found the flaylock pistol. I was filled with Gallente pride while using it and fell in love. As i skilled and became familiar with my baby, I again am blessed by the God of War. So here I am. I have been getting hate mail since day one. And all I see on my Dust social networking is how overpowered the flaylock pistol is. I have invested so much into the skills associated with the flaylock, I am so accustom to the gun that It has become a jack of all trades, my swiss army knife one might say. I understand that it sucks to die (and I definitely dish it out to the other Dusties with the fury of 1000 suns). My point is that every weapon has its strong characteristics and drawbacks, (I can go on about the drawbacks of the flaylock) And I ask, CCP, that if you do decide to curve my baby that you take in to mind the skillpoints I have invested. Many hours have been spent the this skill branch. I'm not asking for a skill reset but I'm not ruling it out. I know it is very difficult to balance this amazing game, and I cant wait to see where it goes. Just thought you would appreciate the story coming from a dedicated flaylock pistol champion

-Prophet

Ok, so I finally got all my skills reset and I begin the process of picking a new best friend from the arsenal. I wanted to focus on fitting the suit's modules and leaving lots of CPU and PG for it. I looked through the sidearms and found the flaylock pistol. I was filled with Gallente pride while using it and fell in love. As i skilled and became familiar with my baby, I again am blessed by the God of War. So here I am. I have been getting hate mail since day one.

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

ME being a flaylock pistol user (not as main but well, i have like 8 different game styles >..>) , i think the only thing it needs a nerf on the flaylock is a little of range to be in par with other Side-weapons.
But thats it.

The Flaylocks does not need a nerf, the aiming needs to be fixed so that player skill is actually a factor in a firefight. The reason the Flaylocks seems OP is because it is the only weapon that can register hits with this ****** aiming and hit detection system.

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

They'll probably buff it. Eventually. Maybe sooner than that since they did say that balance issues were a high priority alongside performance issues. You really spent 6 months specializing into one build and now you can't run anything else? Nice sob story, enjoy your Nova Knife Proficiency 5, lol.

Specialization is supposed to be the entire basis of this game and a main selling point, the thing that it has and no other shooter can touch. Being a jack of all trades is discouraged by the very long skill training times. Which means that OZAROW took the correct approach by fully skilling into a very specific build, and the onus lies with CCP to actually make a balanced game where people can skill into a specific set of skills and be equally competitive on the battlefield in a variety of ways, a rock-paper-scissors approach to balance is a sound analogy. However, CCP has failed miserably to find any competitive balance since day 1 of closed beta.

We just continue going from one trump card to the next. At one point Scouts were world-beaters because they couldn't be shot, then Tanks, then swarm launchers, then laser rifles, then Tactical Assault Rifles, and now everyone is demanding respecs so they can put their skill points into the newest trump card of Caldari Logi.

So, go f*ck yourself Oso Peresoso, OZAROW actually spent the time to skill his character in the way that this game is supposed to operate.

The huge elephant in the room, and the one that will prevent CCP from growing the DUST population is the fact that it takes 6 months to really get anywhere near completing a specific build, but if there is no stable foundation of balance, then why would anyone spend the time skilling into anything? Once you complete the build you were working on for 6 months it may go from being a viable option to being completely and utterly useless.

Conclusion: Do NOT nerf the Flaylock!!! How the **** do you expect anyone to ever want to skill into anything? Once they spent months getting there it will become useless.

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

I hope they're the right kind of significant! I'll be really sad if I lose my mid-range finisher for my shotgun/flaylock/flux scout. I'm all for fixing the spam though

They're going to be the kind of significant that renders the weapon useless, because it isn't an AR.

You know that's funny, and a little sad, because the kill feeds show nearly 10 times as many AR kills as flaylock kills.

I seem to get slaughtered by everything so I'm not gonna ***** about nerf this and nerf that; however, if the AR gets 10x as many kills its probably because 10x as many people use them. I think a kills per weapon per user stat would be more accurate in this case. Although I doubt such statistics are tracked.

My logic is that if all FP users get on average, let's just say 7 kills a match per user and AR users average about 3 kills a match per user, that would show the possibility of an imbalance in overall weapon ability. Of course this doesn't account for player skill, SP and all that jazz. In the end I s'pose I just better "get good" as they like to say.

just a quick question , if you fire with the flaylock in the ground at the base of your feet do you take damage?

im asking because almost all ppl ive seen using the flaylock they shoot the ground if you close to them and you die

There's a reason that 10x as many people use them (if that's the case), and it's called EZ. Those stats are tracked, it's just that CCP doesn't want to let us see them.

The bottom line is simple, this isn't Dust 514 anymore, it's AR 514.

Go AR or go home.

I just find it funny how you get so bent out of shape that the primary work horse light weapon of DUST is seen more than the random sidearm. It's a sidearm, it shouldn't be a primary threat on the battlefield like it is now. Like any sidearm, it should either be focused on killing one person at a time, or it should have much lower damage.

If you want a Light Weapon, might I suggest skilling into Light Weapon Operation and going from there.

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

It's the Flaylock, the MD, the LR, the HMG, prenerf to Scrambler Rifle and PC. Hell, even the Sniper Rifle got a stealth nerf from a change that buffed the ARs! It's anything not AR. That's the problem. It doesn't matter if the weapon is light, sidearm, or even heavy, if it even comes close to parity, it get's the nerf hammer.

Hail AR 514.

Flaylock exists
MD was basically fixed
LR needs some love
HMG is basically fixed
Scrambler Rifle is doing fine with skilled players
Plasma Cannon is a joke and will be buffed then nerfed then buffed then buffed again, nerfed a couple times, and then it will be back to where it started.
Sniper rifles are fine if not for the draw distance being all screwed up.

There isn't much more you can do to the AR other than giving it jamming / overheat and maybe lowering its damage just a tad.

It's not just the Flaylock, see, that's the thing.

It's the Flaylock, the MD, the LR, the HMG, prenerf to Scrambler Rifle and PC. Hell, even the Sniper Rifle got a stealth nerf from a change that buffed the ARs! It's anything not AR. That's the problem. It doesn't matter if the weapon is light, sidearm, or even heavy, if it even comes close to parity, it gets the nerf hammer.

Hail AR 514.

Flaylock exists
MD was basically fixed
LR needs some love
HMG is basically fixed
Scrambler Rifle is doing fine with skilled players
Plasma Cannon is a joke and will be buffed then nerfed then buffed then buffed again, nerfed a couple times, and then it will be back to where it started.
Sniper rifles are fine if not for the draw distance being all screwed up.

There isn't much more you can do to the AR other than giving it jamming / overheat and maybe lowering its damage just a tad.

... can we possibly skip the months of waiting for a long, drawn out, well explained justification for the changes that are coming and just give it to us a single sentence now?

For example: Blast radius nerfed, damage nerfed.

That didn't take a devblog we had to wait a month for, I just wrote it.

You guys can do the same, comn try it.

... can we possibly skip the months of waiting for a long, drawn out, well explained justification for the changes that are coming and just give it to us a single sentence now?

For example: Blast radius nerfed, damage nerfed.

That didn't take a devblog we had to wait a month for, I just wrote it.

You guys can do the same, comn try it.

Blog's coming out next week, but yes. Those things and more. The blog goes into more exact details as well as rationalization and design goals.

Blog's coming out next week, but yes. Those things and more. The blog goes into more exact details as well as rationalization and design goals.

Blog's coming out next week, but yes. Those things and more. The blog goes into more exact details as well as rationalization and design goals.

Well I hope on of your design goals isnt for every player to dual wield flaylocks.

just so people know, -FLAYLOCK DRAWBACKS- actually more like anti-flaylock tactics

it is useless at long ranges

near worthless when fighting uphill

at point blank it is impossible to use

suicide accidents are common and more common when damage and blast radius are increased

3 shot clip makes it easy to prepare for a reloading window (attack when they reload)

as a main weapon, it does not have a lot of ammo


take these things in consideration when approaching flaylockers, and use them to your tactial advantage.

source- I use flaylock as a main

-Prophet

the imaginary situations where entire enemy teams are using only flaylocsk IS imaginary it never happens...