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Daxxis KANNAH
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:23:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.
Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.
Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it. If the gun is broke, then what are ARs? Rich? 
1st rule of Logi AR 514.... we dont talk about... you get the idea. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:29:00 -
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Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)
People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.
I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:34:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Balance is a tricky thing and requires trial and error.
dont accuse everyone of complaining, that makes you a hypocrite.
If that is to me - I said "people" not "everyone" 
I think they did a good job with the TAC. They obviously did a poor job with the Laser, MD and Murder Taxi (you made me come out of my praising mode  ) but they have restored the MD and I am giving them the benefit on this one. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:39:00 -
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WhiskeyJack Otako wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)
People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.
I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair. Really? How many TARs do you encounter these days? Not many if any. I think they overdid it as they do..
See, that shouldn't be the measure. I bet many of them went back to GEK's Duvolle's or skilled into ScR's.
Maybe they are the ones running dual flaylocks now.
I still get killed by them sometimes but obviously if many of the users arent going to learn the strength of a weapon and just drop it as soon as they heard it was nerfed how will you see it.
The same will happen, people will leave the flaylock if they have to pause between shots or have to line up shots more than just spam etc but others who like and use it should be able to use it well. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:01:00 -
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I like how it is in Gears - The AR is bread and butter but all of the weapons are way cooler and can be far superior in the right hands.
Obviously in Dust they need to strike the right balance because weapons have to be skilled into but really and truly, many people crying about the FP are doing so because they are running headlong into battle and around corners and getting blasted.
They arent fighting at range where they can dodge the missiles, especially after the range patch made the rifles better.
This is not to say that the weapon doesnt need to be addressed but it also speaks to how some want it their way all the time. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)
People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.
I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair. You site the TAC rifle, and yet... how many things did they actually change on it? If anything, the tac rifle is proof that CCP doesn't know what they're actually doing, they just make a bunch of changes and hope it works. When they first nerfed the HMG, they nerfed range AND damage, do you not see how stupid that was? When trying to balance something, you need to change as few variable as little as possible, not drastic changes. Dmg and range were overkill in the HMGs case, so bad that they actually had to go back and re-buff it. This si why people always assume OP stuff is going to get nerfed to ****, because it's what CCP does.
How so (re TAC) - They correctly imo brought down the RoF and they made it less accurate in hip fire which maybe more controversial but it is a weapon that should be used at range and if it is used that way it will still kill while allowing the user to keep distance.
The AR on the other hand probably needs real recoil to force users to do focused fire because right now with no skills I just drop it on the target and pull the trigger - no adjustment needed if opponent doesnt move no matter the distance. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:22:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:
Well the RoF change was obvious, but everything else?
Like the ammo, why did that need a change after the RoF nerf? My point is CCPs busts out a flamethrower to light the candles on a birthday cake.
I'll give you that - Ammo (clip size) should have stayed the same, especially with ScR where a skilled user could do well on a charged shot plus a few follow ups. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:35:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.
Sounds like Sloth was right again and CCP going way over the top.
Thought they were learning but we will see after this blog |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:35:00 -
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Just going to say for the last time - The sidearm argument is ridiculous.
If sidearms are supposed to be much less lethal then drop the requirements to 1x and scale back their damage even more. The only thing I see with sidearms are that they have range restrictions.
In the setup Dust has, sidearms should be equally as lethal given they are used in the right situation.
If the FP gets a RoF nerf and smaller radius that seems fine. The projectile is already slow moving, range is limited and the clip is small.
But CCP comes on here capitulating talking about and more
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:42:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:
Well I hope on of your design goals isnt for every player to dual wield flaylocks.
They always allowed sidearms in light weapon slots; same way they give logis a million slots and dont expect them to load them up with extenders, same way they made lav's more durable to stop ppl ohk them and spawned the murder taxi.
CCP dont see farther than their nose. |
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:13:00 -
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If you still cant fight at distance instead of being inside the FP comfort zone then just dont boot up Dust.
CCP please nerf this gun today so all these people can find better things to do with their time than making ridiculous suggestions.
All you guys talk about HTFU and adapt or die but it is obvious none of you believe or are trying to do that.
Yes the weapon needs to be brought in line but most of you just want it toothless so you can run around happy and fight how you want; then you cry the game isnt tactical |
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