looks like CCP can get their fix of nerfing now

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you can't have an AR as secondary. how people use thier side arms is up to them...

Actually you can.

It's called instantly switching to the Godlock (your primary), essentially turning your AR / shotgun / SCR / etc and so forth, into your sidearm.

I've seen this plenty. It's so hilarious. I almost get roasted out of nowhere by some random proto lolgi, but he doesn't kill me. I hardly have any health left, he switches to his sidearm (the AR), and he just barely manages to off me. HAHAHA, this happens most times when I don't just randomly explode.

I'm very curious to see CCPs changes, should be exciting for many and quite tear inducing for many more still

I will drink your QQ tears when they drop the nerf hammer, and they will be delicious.

i really want the number of kills verses players online statistics taken per week since people started QQing about flaylocks a month ago.

im am almost 100% positive the weapon category with the most kills will be:


from most to least kills
1. ARs of all types
2. sniper rifles of all types
3. assault scrambler rifles
4. shotguns
5. LAVs
6. core/adv flaylocks
7. MDs
8. locus grenades
9. SMGs
10. HMGs
11. nova knives
12... etc

if this is the case flaylocks are merely a phenomenon of interest but not a serious issue. the TAC was nerfed becaused it excelled in EVERYTHING, you could kill people in all situations, you out ranged everyone save snipers, you could blow up LAVs, tanks with a team of TAC users.... combined with Caldari logis



hey CCP while your swinging the nerf hammer around how about you nerf these caldari logis that have more EHP than my heavy suit? instead of targeting the only defense against caldari logis right now.

being a shotgun my primary weapon, the flaylock allows for good balance in tight situations where i might need a bit more range or against someone trying to 'roadkill' me, for instance...
so it's great as a secondary weapon since i can use it as both anti vehicle and anti personnel weapon, but it requires good shooting skill as well; 'spray and pray' wont do with a flaylock. my point is, those who claim it needs nerf are the ones getting hit by it. give it a try, my bet is you will most likely stick to your AR/scrambler combo before learning how to shoot this thing effectively....

this is exactly how I feel. there is no way I could survive against heavies without having the flaylock to finish them. the shotgun takes out the shield and if the enemy has a lot of armor I put 1 round of flaylock to finish. Best moment was yesterday.... 3 heavies against 1 scout. the scout almost came out on top ( I killed 2 of them and the 3rd got me just before I could take the final shot. ).

you can't have an AR as secondary. how people use thier side arms is up to them...

the cramber pistol is better on shields than armor... so if people run around with it and finish you with an AR after word is that cheap?

i use my flaylock on armor tankers when i see them and AR on shield tankers. its a tactic. nerfing a tactic is like nerfing strafing...

this is exactly how I feel. there is no way I could survive against heavies without having the flaylock to finish them. the shotgun takes out the shield and if the enemy has a lot of armor I put 1 round of flaylock to finish. Best moment was yesterday.... 3 heavies against 1 scout. the scout almost came out on top ( I killed 2 of them and the 3rd got me just before I could take the final shot. ).

just so people know, -FLAYLOCK DRAWBACKS- actually more like anti-flaylock tactics

it is useless at long ranges

near worthless when fighting uphill

at point blank it is impossible to use

suicide accidents are common and more common when damage and blast radius are increased

3 shot clip makes it easy to prepare for a reloading window (attack when they reload)

as a main weapon, it does not have a lot of ammo


take these things in consideration when approaching flaylockers, and use them to your tactial advantage.

source- I use flaylock as a main

-Prophet

That flaylock has got to get nerfed, its clearly over powering the other sidearms. Now don't nerf it till its useless but nerf it by either tighting the blast radius or you can do less damage with the blast radius. (one hit kills are fine if its a direct hit) but it should do like 4 hits by blast radius because reloading with that thing is crazy, its reloads so fast. its gotta get some kind of tone down. I've seen it a dozen times a whole team running flaylock and only swapping out the assault rifles after shooting that flaylock. Sidearms are suppose to be a last stand, its a primary is being pushed by a sidearm there is a problem.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

Same thing with the TAC AR before the nerf rebalance. Skilled users would line up their shots while scrubs would mash the trigger in your general direction. Only difference with the Flaylock is that you only have 3~4 shots in the clip.

Before you say it's a sidearm, other sidearms can out DPS their light weapon counterparts.

Which ones ?

Just going to say for the last time - The sidearm argument is ridiculous.

If sidearms are supposed to be much less lethal then drop the requirements to 1x and scale back their damage even more. The only thing I see with sidearms are that they have range restrictions.

In the setup Dust has, sidearms should be equally as lethal given they are used in the right situation.

If the FP gets a RoF nerf and smaller radius that seems fine. The projectile is already slow moving, range is limited and the clip is small.

But CCP comes on here capitulating talking about and more

W T F

being a shotgun my primary weapon, the flaylock allows for good balance in tight situations where i might need a bit more range or against someone trying to 'roadkill' me, for instance...
so it's great as a secondary weapon since i can use it as both anti vehicle and anti personnel weapon, but it requires good shooting skill as well; 'spray and pray' wont do with a flaylock. my point is, those who claim it needs nerf are the ones getting hit by it. give it a try, my bet is you will most likely stick to your AR/scrambler combo before learning how to shoot this thing effectively....

there you go again... significant changes... all changes should be slight and adjusted slowly as needed until balance.


if you decrease the fire rate to 133.3 and decrease the reload speed to 3.5 seconds, but increase the blast radius by .5 all flaylocks would be balanced.


again the only people complaining are AR users that get too close and want to win in CQC verses everything.
galente suits also complain but thats because CCP needs to fix armor, its not the flaylocks fault.

I don't really think its over powered. I think a lot of people are used to running up to opponents and shooting them. The flaylocks puts a stop to this. It does take some skill to use the flaylock for distance or bouncing splash off of walls etc. I've been using it for a while now and misses are commonplace, but in combination with the AR or another light weapon it's deadly. People seem to forget that flaylock users kill themselves a lot in cqc so it's not a weapon without penalty.

All the comments about flaylocks being op I would say the same of the mass driver.

I'd be ok with a range nerf or even a slight nerf in trigger speed. If the CPU/pg goes up I'll still use it as I've got the sp in the appropriate skills, but most won't so it'll be high sp users who benefit most from increasing the fitting requirements. If it were made similar to the smg I would still be able to fit proto, light weapon, proto grenade and the proto flaylock with fully tanked suit.

As an accompaniment for AV fits I'm loving the flaylock. No other sidearm provides as much survivability when using swarms.

Bring on the nerf tho. Kill another weapon to keep the masses happy. We'll just find something else to cry about, won't we?