Hmm, not quite on topic, but for the ones who say you can't be one shotted. I just got roased by a militia MD that listed the damage received as 1300ish....so hmm.

See, that shouldn't be the measure. I bet many of them went back to GEK's Duvolle's or skilled into ScR's.

Maybe they are the ones running dual flaylocks now.

I still get killed by them sometimes but obviously if many of the users arent going to learn the strength of a weapon and just drop it as soon as they heard it was nerfed how will you see it.

The same will happen, people will leave the flaylock if they have to pause between shots or have to line up shots more than just spam etc but others who like and use it should be able to use it well.

Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

It should be the measure. There's no need for any other weapons if everyone is going to run the AR. The only future proof weapon in dust. Doesn't sound fun to me, but meh, that's where we're heading.


Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

Tribes. Any of them.

Pretty much any old school shooter.

Also, just because the AR is the lowest common denominator doesn't mean it's what Dust should revolve around. I thought Dust was trying to be different.

I like how it is in Gears - The AR is bread and butter but all of the weapons are way cooler and can be far superior in the right hands.

Obviously in Dust they need to strike the right balance because weapons have to be skilled into but really and truly, many people crying about the FP are doing so because they are running headlong into battle and around corners and getting blasted.

They arent fighting at range where they can dodge the missiles, especially after the range patch made the rifles better.

This is not to say that the weapon doesnt need to be addressed but it also speaks to how some want it their way all the time.

When so many people are using it as a primary weapon something is wrong. There will always be those guys that run around with only Assault Rifles, just because he can. But when everyone is doing it's its probably too easy.

Exactly. Anybody who owns a core flaylock and says they aren't OP is lying out their arse. I have a standard flaylock just to keep up in part with the core flaylock users and that thing is incredible! I hit one guy dead on and he just popped. Even the standard variant is OP as hell.

My suggestion for a nerf could go two ways - Increase splash radius, lower splash damage. Lower the direct damage of all variants to be the same as the basic variants and balance accordingly.

OR

Keep direct damage as it is and lower the splash damage and splash radius by a lot.

lol nerf direct damage? GTFO

A'hhh man, gotta love dem anecdotes

We have a dev blog in the pipeline that will discuss the changes we're making to the Flaylock that will help bring it into line with other weapons. The changes are pretty significant.

The Flaylocks does not need a nerf, the aiming needs to be fixed so that player skill is actually a factor in a firefight. The reason the Flaylocks seems OP is because it is the only weapon that can register hits with this ****** aiming and hit detection system.

Specialization is supposed to be the entire basis of this game and a main selling point, the thing that it has and no other shooter can touch. Being a jack of all trades is discouraged by the very long skill training times. Which means that OZAROW took the correct approach by fully skilling into a very specific build, and the onus lies with CCP to actually make a balanced game where people can skill into a specific set of skills and be equally competitive on the battlefield in a variety of ways, a rock-paper-scissors approach to balance is a sound analogy. However, CCP has failed miserably to find any competitive balance since day 1 of closed beta.

We just continue going from one trump card to the next. At one point Scouts were world-beaters because they couldn't be shot, then Tanks, then swarm launchers, then laser rifles, then Tactical Assault Rifles, and now everyone is demanding respecs so they can put their skill points into the newest trump card of Caldari Logi.

So, go f*ck yourself Oso Peresoso, OZAROW actually spent the time to skill his character in the way that this game is supposed to operate.

The huge elephant in the room, and the one that will prevent CCP from growing the DUST population is the fact that it takes 6 months to really get anywhere near completing a specific build, but if there is no stable foundation of balance, then why would anyone spend the time skilling into anything? Once you complete the build you were working on for 6 months it may go from being a viable option to being completely and utterly useless.

Conclusion: Do NOT nerf the Flaylock!!! How the **** do you expect anyone to ever want to skill into anything? Once they spent months getting there it will become useless.

I hope they're the right kind of significant! I'll be really sad if I lose my mid-range finisher for my shotgun/flaylock/flux scout. I'm all for fixing the spam though

I seem to get slaughtered by everything so I'm not gonna ***** about nerf this and nerf that; however, if the AR gets 10x as many kills its probably because 10x as many people use them. I think a kills per weapon per user stat would be more accurate in this case. Although I doubt such statistics are tracked.

My logic is that if all FP users get on average, let's just say 7 kills a match per user and AR users average about 3 kills a match per user, that would show the possibility of an imbalance in overall weapon ability. Of course this doesn't account for player skill, SP and all that jazz. In the end I s'pose I just better "get good" as they like to say.

I just find it funny how you get so bent out of shape that the primary work horse light weapon of DUST is seen more than the random sidearm. It's a sidearm, it shouldn't be a primary threat on the battlefield like it is now. Like any sidearm, it should either be focused on killing one person at a time, or it should have much lower damage.

If you want a Light Weapon, might I suggest skilling into Light Weapon Operation and going from there.

Flaylock exists
MD was basically fixed
LR needs some love
HMG is basically fixed
Scrambler Rifle is doing fine with skilled players
Plasma Cannon is a joke and will be buffed then nerfed then buffed then buffed again, nerfed a couple times, and then it will be back to where it started.
Sniper rifles are fine if not for the draw distance being all screwed up.

There isn't much more you can do to the AR other than giving it jamming / overheat and maybe lowering its damage just a tad.

Blog's coming out next week, but yes. Those things and more. The blog goes into more exact details as well as rationalization and design goals.

looks like CCP can get their fix of nerfing now

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