How to fix the flaylock:

Reduce splash damage by 50%

Reduce blast radius of the ADV. and PRO. to 1.0

Increase headshot dmg percentage to 125%

Increase missile travel speed by 50%

Increase clip size by 1

Increase PG requirements


That is all.

A direct hit shouldn't be a one hit kill seeing as it's not even that way for Mass Drivers.

Could you at least explain the reasonings of why you feel it is a nerf? It just sounds like some people want to keeps its ease of use (which is exactly why so many people use it).

Hmm, maybe not one hit kills always but I seem to get wasted by mass drivers in one hit and flaylocks almost instantly even running two complex shield extenders. Not saying my skills are the best, but I'd like to think I'm not that bad :/

You DO know the the flaylocks splash radius increases with distance, right? The further you are from targets, the larger the radius becomes.

If you dont believe me see the information for yourself
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Flaylock_Pistol
The standard flaylock pistol does 218 on contact and 195 on splash. Average standard drop suit medium runs under 200 hp for most of its shielding and armor. The reload time is 3 seconds which is the same speed as the standard scrambler pistol. Total wtf there. so 218 damage is a kill to anyone not using shield extenders or not using caldari uniforms. and if shields are down instant kill on contact or damn near death by splash if not kill. guarantee. common tactics is flux than flaylock or Mass with flaylock to drain shielding to one hit kill regardless of being a heavy or not. I TESTED this check it out for yourself. Oh and your kills that require two shots are probably splash damage because contact shots are very hard to do.

But for those who want to see real proof check out this guys youtube video of the flaylock. Pay attention how his aim is literally off the target by massive amount in close quarters. Long distance shots not so bad but usually spamming the shots and technically he is compensating for bullet drop but the drop is not that big anyone could do that (Tell me when you watch this video; how many times do you see him aim down his sights vs hip fire aiming). pay attention to the 2 shot kills that are done by splash damage or these guys health are already low vs the one hit kill. And those that do survive two hits probably have shield extenders. Oh and he gets 60points a kill because of the command ring on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45RspYrxw


My SOLUTION: just nerf the damage on Shielding. Keep the damage rate if your shields are down because if your rocking the caldari your solid but running gallente your in trouble. Balance right there by simply counter picking.

um check your ingame stats of Core Flaylock pistol. its 225 base damage on contact. Go to core flaylock in the marketplace hit triangle and see the attributes to the weapon damage. Add damage modifers in can do damage up to nearly 300 hp on splash. i dont even want to go into proficiency

how often are people shields already slightly lower

But if you check out this video you will see how easy it is to use as a primary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45RspYrxw

A few of them, not all of them. quite abit of them had full health and he is rocking a sidearm which he isn't aiming his shot with them. Look bud i like the weapon too, but to many times have i seen a Logistics Caldri Group rally to gather with 3 complex damage modifers and two shield extenders with their weapon of choice is a sidearm.

We are taking this feedback very seriously and are looking into a solution that will bring balance to this weapon :) So, hopefully it's to your liking and in the future please don't hesitate with your concerns!

And he was using trajectory prediction as well.

exactly you can see how he is shooting by how often he over shoots his firing rate. Meaning he shoots them an extra one or two times he is dead

How anyone can watch that video and think "man, that guy is skilled" while toasting every enemy in sight with his sidearm and just a couple clicks....just.....

This community

AWESOME! i was so close to quiting this game because i ran into 3 matches of Core Flaylock spammers who just ran logi flaylock. Almost went back to BF3 hoping you guys bring in something special before BF4

Any idea if we can see changes for the flaylock in 1.3 or will this remain imbalanced until late august for 1.4?

other sidearms can out DPS their light weapon counterparts.

Can we get a reply on dropships? Even if you just tell us they are being looked at. Maybe shed some light on if they will seen changes in the near future? Thanks

I'm just gonna say **** everything and skill into the gayssault rifle... Since that's the only weapon allowed to be rediculous and nobody will say anything about.

I've finished off a few tanks with the flaylock...

OMG!

someones gonna have to spec into ARs

+100

Thats out of about 110 people ive spoken to 'in passing' regarding the flaylock. I dont play very much any more. A good game in beta just got annoying. Closed beta was plagued by op rocket launchers getting instant kills, open beta by massdrivers, how the flaylock got through early stages of quality control i have no idea. Just look to these imbalanced LAVs (which of course will be used as murder taxis) to see just how wrong things can be when released.

so i think there are two overarching problems here

A) problem at hand: how to balance the flaylock.
B) how to prevent this with all the other new things on the way.

Re A), my 2p is that

1) ROF should come down (its an impact sensitive explosive, it should be handled carefully inside the chambers of the weapon)
2) connected to point 1, occasionally they should backfire, this is nothing strange, scramblers overheat.
3) shells that fit inside a pistol will be small, and as such, should do LOW damage.
4) the barrel of a pistol is SHORT, thus accuraccy should be bad.

Sure, keep the weapon for diversity, but it needs to come down a long way (cue the 1000 hardcore flaylock users outrage). Its not even a primary, the fact you are using it as one shows it is op. its nothing personal.

It's hilarious that people are actually defending this broke ass gun. I guess you all just don't want to lose your little k/d padding noon tube.

Seriously you cannot tell me with a straight face that ANY of you claiming it's NOT OP could attain anywhere near such a level of combat efficiency with ANY other sidearm.

Gun is broke, and it saps the fun from the game for Anybody NOT using it.

alright guys I think by now CCP understands that the flaylock needs to be twerked or fixed so just chill..... hold up while we wait for CCP to come up with a patch we're still getting fked up by these flaylocks. GRRRRRR nevermind keep posting on this thread

Sloth, do you ever stop trying to make the world a better place?

See, that shouldn't be the measure.

I still get killed by them sometimes but obviously if many of the users arent going to learn the strength of a weapon and just drop it as soon as they heard it was nerfed how will you see it.

The same will happen, people will leave the flaylock if they have to pause between shots or have to line up shots more than just spam etc but others who like and use it should be able to use it well.

Name a shooter the AR isn't the premiere weapon?

Have faith - CCP actually did good with the TAC and I think they could do similar with the Flaylock (standardized radius and lower RoF)

People will claim it is ruined but users who actually love it and use it properly should still be effective.

I dont praise CCP often but I think what they did there and what Remnant has posted about weapons and ranges seem fair.

No not really. Lots of promotions and expectations surrounded it at the time. The gameplay was built around a blade thing the guy could control like a boomerang. It's funny he'd mention it... so arbitrary. Also it was primarily a single player game.

How so (re TAC) - They correctly imo brought down the RoF and they made it less accurate in hip fire which maybe more controversial but it is a weapon that should be used at range and if it is used that way it will still kill while allowing the user to keep distance.

The AR on the other hand probably needs real recoil to force users to do focused fire because right now with no skills I just drop it on the target and pull the trigger - no adjustment needed if opponent doesnt move no matter the distance.

Why can my tank not slaughter infantry? And why does a low -mid range weapon behave differently from a mid - high range weapon that is completely different aside from both having splash damage? And why am I allowed to ask such a stupid question?

[Scrambler Pistols are not better than Scrambler Rifles, and SMGs are not better than ARs, just because of a lack of range.

Lol. Anecdotes. They rule.

Go AR or go home.

how about releasing the proposals BEFORE content lock? hmmmmm?

We're off to the races with an audience of core gamers," he told us. "So we're now entering our fast iteration cycle, doing monthly updates. A very tight collaboration with the community, as we've done with EVE throughout the years. -Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Sounds like Sloth was right again and CCP going way over the top.

Thought they were learning but we will see after this blog

Actually you can.

It's called instantly switching to the Godlock (your primary), essentially turning your AR / shotgun / SCR / etc and so forth, into your sidearm.

I've seen this plenty. It's so hilarious. I almost get roasted out of nowhere by some random proto lolgi, but he doesn't kill me. I hardly have any health left, he switches to his sidearm (the AR), and he just barely manages to off me. HAHAHA, this happens most times when I don't just randomly explode.

I'm very curious to see CCPs changes, should be exciting for many and quite tear inducing for many more still

I will drink your QQ tears when they drop the nerf hammer, and they will be delicious.