Explains why I have seen multiple squads of STB out protostomping today. congratulations on your 40/1 matches, oh, and for driving away much of the new playerbase.

I sure hope you can be proud of yourself now!

Locking down areas better than heavies... with their equipment? You gotta explain this in detail.

(I wish I could drop a supply depot on this thread so Chicago could come and see your explanation too.)

TL;DR past page 2 but the ONLY thing a logi should hold in the main weapon slot is a repair tool and have a side arm. Ya know, the POINT of the logi really... Equipment slots are fine. Or make the eHP WAY shorter than a Assault but greater than a Scout.... The first one is my favorite "nerf" to do lol

I REPEC'D INTO FOTM AND NOW I'M SO UBER WITH MY OP BUILD AHAHAH TY RESPEC O BTW WHEN YOU FIX THINGS PLZ GIVE ME ANOTHER KTHX?!?!

So, when your assault dropsuit or fatty suit drops, as a repair tool and needle wielding medic, I'll just run away and hope someone else kills that redberry for me so that I can rep you or pick you up.

Cool.

After this change, new whinage predicted: LOGIs are DAMN USELESS IN A TEAM.

WAY. TO. THINK. THINGS. THROUGH.

My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it!

My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far.

But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit.

Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again......

ARE LOGIS OP DEBATE BELOW, YOU DONT NEED TO READ IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO THOUGH.

EDIT: some of you guys are bringing up the Logi is OP point..... so ill just mention my thoughts on it! Logi's as a whole..... might need a tweak. But heres the deal guys. Ive literally put 13.8 million SP into specializing this suit..... Is that not balance in itself? Its only as effective as it is because of the massive amount of research I did before respeccing, and the amount of points I put into specific things. The 3.5 million into the dropsuit, another 5 million into core upgrades, 2.5 million just for the weapon, then the rest spread out between the other essentials I needed. To get up to this level in my suit it would take atleast two months for a new player, and that's ONLY if they specialize soley into that.....

Now that's just the SP investment. The suit itself costs 230k Isk...... I PAY A PREMIUM to have an advantage over people, and that's just how this game works. If I die twice in a match then im in the red! That's simply because the suit takes sooooo much isk to produce.

Furthermore, im an armor tanked merc. Militia grenades can one hit kill me if their point blank, let alone proto grenades...... Theres severe crutches to this suit that just hack into its survivability. You guys are just so upset that you cant kill these suits in "YOUR WAY"..... its like this! You see a brick wall and instead of using the manual and sledgehammer lying to your right, you use the generic nailing hammer because that's the one your used to. Then when it doesn't work you get upset and claim that the wall is OP and that it needs to have less bricks causing it to just be a broken wall......

So yeah, do I think these things are OP? no I don't because theres ridiculous hard-counters to this stuff..... like seriously. (though I will admit the caldari logi might need to loose atleast one module slot...... 5 highs, 4 lows? really?)

Removing the light weapon slot is the only thing that can stop logis being better assaults than assaults.

How is that the only thing that can do that?

How about giving Assaults proper bonuses (damage bonus for example) and/or making Logis not able to tank as much as they can?

Edit: Also swap the shield recharge delays between Assaults and Logis. Logis shouldn't have lower delays than Assaults.

Running around with a repair tool healing heavies is not the only thing Logis should be capable of. They should be capable of supporting their team with gunfire as well, and not only from a sidearm.

Why do ppl always forget the logi armor repair.. That like another slot ontop of the two extra the logi has compared to assault...

I said this would happen months ago, no one gave a sh*t.

A caldari logi can 99% of the times fill the ASSAULT ROLE better than any assault suit.

Cons: A little less speed
Lack of side arm
Yellow color

Pros: The only suit with 9 Low/high powered slots
3 equipment slots
up to 25%+ racial bonus Shield extender efficiency
More CPU/PG than any assault suit.


-I run minmatar Novas+Shotgun , and i swear if i get a Respec im goinf Caldari logi.
4 - complex Shield extenders
1 - Complex Damage Mod
W -Creodon Shotgun
2 -Complex Kinetic Catalizers
1 - Complex Stamina (whatever the green flasks)
1- Complex Profile Dampner

Equipment : Whatever i can fit.


This way i will be able to shotgun even BETTER than with a Minmatar, having similar profile dampening and movement but with more than the Double the HP. (From 300 total HP to 711 Total HP).
******* S**t is OP, And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself...

Why do ppl always forget the logi armor repair.. That like another slot ontop of the two extra the logi has compared to assault...

Because logi's are completely balanced when set next to the other three archetypes.

Has nothing to do why it shouldnt be liste with PRO / CON s

Because while logis repair others, they don't have anyone to repair them.

Anyone can train repair skill

You cant say logi are supposed to do some things then argue that they should be able to implement other modules to do other roles as well.

How often do you see assaults and scouts using repair tools? Let's be honest here.

There's nothing wrong with the logi suits. (except for the Caldari bonus and/or slots) It's an issue of intended purpose vs practical use. The devs wanted Assaults to be more attractive because of their faster shield recharge rate while giving logis a bigger buffer. Instead of everyone following the devs intended purpose, everyone sees how much HP the Caldari logi can get and the fitting flexibility of the entire logi class as better because of the better buffer, since all they care about is having the highest possible EHP. This is why I've been saying that it's the other suits that need work to make their intended purpose in line with our current practical use.

AR using logi wearing slayors.

That is the point!!!!

Because they took all the equipment slots from other classes they have said others shouldnt repair.

Take high and low slots from logis and force them to choose and play differently.

Reassign some of the gear to equipment slots eg. Hacker module.

I am sick of the double talk on logis should be able to do whatever - stick them in their proper class because CCP sure did that to the others.

Logis are supposed to tank damage so that they can keep supporting their team - that's why they have so many slots; not so that they can stack damage mods and fight just as hard as assaults. They are support suits, not frontline. And a sidearm is perfectly capable of supporting the team when needed, the rest of the time they should be repping and resupplying and reviving.

Logis should not just be assaults with more equipment slots, which is what they are because missing a secondary weapon slot means nothing.

And yes, the other suits need more applicable bonuses to their roles but that doesn't mean that the current logi suits are fine as they are.

More affectionately known as "Logi Hoes"

Or you we can focus on making the assaults better by showing the devs that their designed purpose for the suit isn't in line with our practical use and make them better through different bonuses.