Have you seen the core flaylock? I'm saying give everyone dual wield so that way logi's can be given bonuses to it, or at least be encouraged to specialize in that style of combat. The ONLY thing even remotely balancing the flaylock right now is its clip, its RoF isn't that bad at all. Give someone two of those, and it becomes a serious balance issue.

You can't just wave a wand and everything magically works. Suggestions are made to spark creative thinking and discussion when you learn to weed out the trolls. Sometimes something that looks good on paper doesn't translate well, or vice versa. Or something that was once broken becomes balanced by introducing a new element, or vice versa.

SMGs and Pistols would both likely work as dual wielding with a bit of weapon sway and dispersion. Flaylocks as is, would not. You would rain death on all the things with ease. They already do. Flaylocks will be getting adjusted, let's just hope they don't get destroyed.

Oh and Marston, a grenadier logi would be terrifying. I am ******* mean with grenades, I would play a role that only gave me a single sidearm (or none, even) if I had a dedicated grenadier role.

After my respec I wanted to go Caldari Suit, for a moment I thought "CCP will see that Logi Suits are overpowered so much and they will make a good fix (nerf/balance) to them" so I went Minmatar Assault.

After spent all my SP, I realized that CCP works in the game and makse fixes and updates after 6 months. And I realized that in 6 months I will be playing Killzone 4 because I won't be able to play with the Gallente Heavy, so, yes, I screw up.

I musted go Caldari Logi in the first time. I was such a stupid person when I thought that CCP could fix his build in a couple of weeks.

I want to have a new respec...

Or maybe not...

I can still use...


LAVs!!!!!!!

Cosgar, in light of his further replies I'm going to need your help. Please help me direct his attention to my post! Quote my post, if that doesn't work , just copy and paste it, and if that doesn't work, let's all just post stuff about how all logi's need the nerf hammer into oblivion but have my posts embedded right smack dab in the middle so he accidentally finds himself reading it! Hurry! \


Edit: He saw it!!!!!1! But you want me to wade through all the crap of this noob arguing with you to find hints? Cmon, it's my birthday bro, show me some love?

Just to set straight anyone who thinks that I'm 'trying to nerf logis to death'; I'm not. I just want to make the OP logis less OP. Marston has already agreed that confining these logis to only sidearms would not kill logis off. That's good consensus. As has been said, let's not wield the nerf hammer, so go step by step. If after changing the LCKs and LGKs, it seems they are still too strong because of the tank, we can work on reducing that a little.

Just to set straight anyone who thinks that I'm 'trying to nerf logis to death'; I'm not. I just want to make the OP logis less OP. Marston has already agreed that confining these logis to only sidearms would not kill logis off. That's good consensus. As has been said, let's not wield the nerf hammer, so go step by step. If after changing the LCKs and LGKs, it seems they are still too strong because of the tank, we can work on reducing that a little.

I love Dust.

I hate how Logis, can be better at killing then an Assault suit.

I aint gonna tell you my exact fit man. I don't want to see everyone using it ;) just the people I want to see using it!

Just to set straight anyone who thinks that I'm 'trying to nerf logis to death'; I'm not. I just want to make the OP logis less OP. Marston has already agreed that confining these logis to only sidearms would not kill logis off. That's good consensus. As has been said, let's not wield the nerf hammer, so go step by step. If after changing the LCKs and LGKs, it seems they are still too strong because of the tank, we can work on reducing that a little.

I said this would happen months ago, no one gave a sh*t.

A caldari logi can 99% of the times fill the ASSAULT ROLE better than any assault suit.

Cons: A little less speed
Lack of side arm
Yellow color

Pros: The only suit with 9 Low/high powered slots
3 equipment slots
up to 25%+ racial bonus Shield extender efficiency
More CPU/PG than any assault suit.


-I run minmatar Novas+Shotgun , and i swear if i get a Respec im goinf Caldari logi.
4 - complex Shield extenders
1 - Complex Damage Mod
W -Creodon Shotgun
2 -Complex Kinetic Catalizers
1 - Complex Stamina (whatever the green flasks)
1- Complex Profile Dampner

Equipment : Whatever i can fit.


This way i will be able to shotgun even BETTER than with a Minmatar, having similar profile dampening and movement but with more than the Double the HP. (From 300 total HP to 711 Total HP).
******* S**t is OP, And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself...

DPS IS NOT THE ISSUE. LOGI TANK IS.

Welp...can you share your move speed? And if you're using a precision enhancer?

Can you just mail me? You;d be the coolest guy evurrr.

I don't want to trust your opinion on balancing because you're assuming the entire logi class is OP.

The problem here is that taking away from their tank directly hurts their primary purpose; group support. Whereas limiting them to sidearms, which are more demanding on player skill to make as effective as many light weapons, will only hurt their secondary purpose; combat specialist. It also encourages logistics players to stick closer to allies.

I'm not too worried about it right now until after I see some patch notes. We're going to be in for a real treat depending on these new shield modules, and how they play out on all the killer bees out there.

I'm not saying the entire class is OP - in fact in the statement you've quoted from me right there I've specifically stated Gals and Cals.

Like I said, I want to work towards a consensus on this. Marston did say that making logis (let's say Gs and Cs) only use sidearms would not stop them being OP, so that's the same as saying there'd be no problem making that change.

Would anyone seriously disagree with me that logis need to be able to tank damage?

I'm not saying the entire class is OP - in fact in the statement you've quoted from me right there I've specifically stated Gals and Cals.

Like I said, I want to work towards a consensus on this. Marston did say that making logis (let's say Gs and Cs) only use sidearms would not stop them being OP, so that's the same as saying there'd be no problem making that change.

Would anyone seriously disagree with me that logis need to be able to tank damage?

Do you agree that tanking and fitting flexibility are the only real advantages Logis have over their assaults of the same race?

Yes. The reason for it is because that IS the reason their OP. Their tank, is exclusively what gives them an advantage over their assault counterparts. We can fix this by chopping off the shield efficacy bonus the LCK0 has, and removing 1 high slot. The same is true for Gallente, but to a lesser extent, because gallente doesn't get an armor plate efficacy bonus, AND we get penalized in speed..... which is significant.

Agreed.

So what advantages does an assault have over it's logi equivalent?

I'll yield to the fact that I've only ever used militia and standard SMGs. I've just always felt that a logi should have more HP because whenever I come up on a group, I try to identify their logi and take him out before I actually engage, if at all possible. Sometimes I just won't engage if I see that logi and can't get the jump on him before his friends see me, but then again, I play a LOT of solo

I'll yield to the fact that I've only ever used militia and standard SMGs. I've just always felt that a logi should have more HP because whenever I come up on a group, I try to identify their logi and take him out before I actually engage, if at all possible. Sometimes I just won't engage if I see that logi and can't get the jump on him before his friends see me, but then again, I play a LOT of solo

Proto SMG = a whole new world of opportunities.

IDK if you remember Stlcarlos, but he used to run swarm launchers, with proto SMG's as his main battle fit. The SMG was that good back then, and it hasn't been touched once since then either..... (aside from the sharpshooter skill but that was across the board).

Btw, I run min logi. Just thought I would let you know the class I want "made useless for offense" is my own. I actually just want it made pure.

The speed penalty isn't huge but yes, it is there.

Thing is, if you take away their tank, they really don't have much going for them at all.

Better base stats, faster recharge delay/rate, cheaper (SP/ISK) fittings and a sidearm.