And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great...

I get that but if it ever happens, it will make the game entirely one dimensional and everyone will get bored and bugger off somewhere else. I already know many people who left after getting fed up with everyone using the tac ar before that got fixed - if you squeeze out anyone who doesn't just go FOTM, all that will be left is mercs shooting their identical fitting twins and the whole game becomes stale.

Players should not be able to swing with the pendulum of balance; they should realise that it's a pendulum and that it will eventually swing back.

Take for instance the LASER rifle - some people specced into it for Uprising thinking it would be as OP as it was in Chromosome; they've probably all now respecced into something else because it's awful in Uprising but come 1.2 or 1.3 or whenever everything gets rebalanced, it will probably get a buff again and be usable once more.

How is that the only thing that can do that?

How about giving Assaults proper bonuses (damage bonus for example) and/or making Logis not able to tank as much as they can?

Edit: Also swap the shield recharge delays between Assaults and Logis. Logis shouldn't have lower delays than Assaults.

Running around with a repair tool healing heavies is not the only thing Logis should be capable of. They should be capable of supporting their team with gunfire as well, and not only from a sidearm.

You people that complain that only having a sidearm would remove any chance to kill off anyone left if the guy your running with falls make me laugh. Sidearms are far from useless. I only use sidearms and do just as well if not better than many of the assaults I play with.

If you're running with a proper assault slayer and he dies, chances are the enemy is pretty near death too - if he's not running for cover, you could easily finish him off with a pistol or SMG or flaylock and then revive your teammate. Removing the light weapon slot is the only thing that can stop logis being better assaults than assaults. Heck, I know many assaults who don't even bother carrying a sidearm because it wastes CPU/PG, so not having a secondary weapon is hardly a significant drawback for logis who want to be slayers.

Most logis don't play with sidearms - the fact you got killed by one on that occasion is not a general pattern. The mere fact that you were killed by a logi with an SMG should be a sign to every other logi out there crying not to take away the light weapon slot because they won't be able to kill anything that they are wrong.

The general pattern is that most logis use ARs or SCRs because they have a buck-load of ammo and don't run out of rounds too quickly, thus negating the need for a sidearm.

Reducing logis eHP would be truly breaking for them. They need to be able to tank so they can stand alongside their squad repping them while they kill the guys shooting at you.

All the time logis have access to light weapons, they are encouraged to try to kill at the detriment of support. Changing the light weapon slot for a sidearm slot would force them to focus on support and only focus on killing when the situation warrants it.

And field medics in real war situations are not kitted out with the same offensive equipment as regular infantry. Carrying medical supplies and equipment means less room for big bulky weapons. Tell me where exactly your merc is managing to fit a nanohive, uplink, armor repper and needles alongside his grenades and assault rifle?

Can someone explain to me how the Minmatar, Gallente, and Amarr logi are OP? I have a stat comparison a few pages back that everyone ignored and I still see a broad brush being painted on the entire class because of this.

Also, would we be having this same argument if shields actually had a drawback? You know, something like a larger signature radius, or larger hitbox when at full health?

Just to set straight anyone who thinks that I'm 'trying to nerf logis to death'; I'm not. I just want to make the OP logis less OP. Marston has already agreed that confining these logis to only sidearms would not kill logis off. That's good consensus. As has been said, let's not wield the nerf hammer, so go step by step. If after changing the LCKs and LGKs, it seems they are still too strong because of the tank, we can work on reducing that a little.

I'm not saying the entire class is OP - in fact in the statement you've quoted from me right there I've specifically stated Gals and Cals.

Like I said, I want to work towards a consensus on this. Marston did say that making logis (let's say Gs and Cs) only use sidearms would not stop them being OP, so that's the same as saying there'd be no problem making that change.

Would anyone seriously disagree with me that logis need to be able to tank damage?

Agreed.

So what advantages does an assault have over it's logi equivalent?

My point is that these logis can wield exactly the same weapons and have more tank than their assault equivalents and something needs to be done to change this. Marston is in favour of removing some tank, whilst I'm in favour of removing some DPS. Okay, so I know from experience how deadly the ishukone SMG is but only in CQC within about 25m. Like I said earlier, most logis don't use sidearms atm; they're using AR/SCR because those weapons have enough ammo to not need a back up weapon and you can still kill people at range. Making this change from light weapon to sidearm would stop logis being able to be as killer as they are right now.

If after making that change they're still killing too much, then we can talk about reducing the tank but I'm steadfast in believing that no tank = dead logi.