That is the point!!!!

Because they took all the equipment slots from other classes they have said others shouldnt repair.

Take high and low slots from logis and force them to choose and play differently.

Reassign some of the gear to equipment slots eg. Hacker module.

I am sick of the double talk on logis should be able to do whatever - stick them in their proper class because CCP sure did that to the others.

Your point regarding SP investment and ISK cost arent valid.

What's the difference between a guy spending 13.8 Million in a gallente logi to make it an assault type soldier. And a guy spending the same amount in a a pure assault suit ? I spent the exact same amount as you (13.8 honest) in minmatar assault after the respec, core skills, weapon, nades, etc... Every SP investment being about making a better assault.
And yet, pretty much 95% of the fits i'd like to build require a CPU\PG extension or both. And my best fit costs 210K ISK.

So where's the difference exactly ?

The thing is that a logistic shouldnt, in any case, be able to get more hp nor damage output than an assault (or a heavy) with the same SP investment. It's pretty much written in its genetic code the moment it's called "Logistic".

Everything you mention about nades or any anti armor weapon being the way to kill you is also totally irrelevant in that debate. As the same goes for any gallente assault suit.

The only real downside to logi is base speed and sprint. And it's not that much of a problem for CAL Logis who can easily add kinetic catalyzer to compensate sprint. Cal Logi probably ends up being faster than an assault Cal sprint wise.

So yeah. Problem sticks imo. Logis are OP. In fact OP is just an ugly word for misplaced. All i hope is that when balance is effectively done, CCP wont break to giving another respec. Coz flavor of the month is something everyone KNOWS can change pretty quickly. As a CPM member, i know i will strongly oppose to any form of global respec after balance pass. Otherwise, it's gonna be a giant cry fest everytime there's even the slightest adjustment to anything in the game.

If they make assaults much better, they'll tear through scouts and heavies more than they already do, and they'll start giving logi's a hard time as well.

You want a heavy scout? go for it, you want a speed tanked heavy? DO IT. If I want a logi that can hold its own in a fight..... then why can't I do it?

This game doesn't have proper classes, that's why we have heavies that can snipe and assaults that can use nova knives. Assaults and scouts rarely use reppers because they choose not to.

If they make assaults much better, they'll tear through scouts and heavies more than they already do, and they'll start giving logi's a hard time as well.

Yes we should adjust all the other suits because logi is unbalanced. Seems legit.

You want logis to be restricted to sidearms? All the other suits need to give up their equipment slots since you want a logi to be your personal butler. Plain and simple.

Or you we can focus on making the assaults better by showing the devs that their designed purpose for the suit isn't in line with our practical use and make them better through different bonuses. Unless you like having shield regen bonuses on gallente suits and that 2% hybrid weapon reload speed per level on the Caldari

You people that complain that only having a sidearm would remove any chance to kill off anyone left if the guy your running with falls make me laugh. Sidearms are far from useless. I only use sidearms and do just as well if not better than many of the assaults I play with.

If you're running with a proper assault slayer and he dies, chances are the enemy is pretty near death too - if he's not running for cover, you could easily finish him off with a pistol or SMG or flaylock and then revive your teammate. Removing the light weapon slot is the only thing that can stop logis being better assaults than assaults. Heck, I know many assaults who don't even bother carrying a sidearm because it wastes CPU/PG, so not having a secondary weapon is hardly a significant drawback for logis who want to be slayers.

Now you are just playing semantics - So as a scout I should be on here lobbying for more slots to "dampen" and "scan" and then if I got them I should turn around and load up with shield extenders and more catalysers or armour mods and become a real commando

And if this game had no roles/classes then why dont we just have light medium and heavy and be done with all the other crap - build to your hearts content.

Disingenuous!!

I've already agreed with you that the other suits need more suitable bonuses.

However, your comment about assaults should fit their designed purpose is funny because you seem completely against logis fitting their designed purpose.

I'll say it again - sidearms are still decent weapons and more than capable of mopping up whatever's left of the enemy if they manage to kill the guys you're supposed to be supporting. Killing should not be anywhere near the biggest source of WP for logis but that is the way it is all the while they can use ARs and other light weapons.

And bringing down the nerf Mjolnir every time has worked out for the past year, right?

How are we ever supposed to compete with assaults

And bringing down the nerf Mjolnir every time has worked out for the past year, right?

WAKE UP CALL, only having a sidearm as a logi would be game breaking for that class. Are proto sidearms good? Sure but gimping a classes firepower to something that's sooooo situational would be a terrible hit to Logis...... How are we ever supposed to compete with assaults unless there unlucky enough to be in the perfect situations we would need to beat them? The lack of a pistol is a gimp enough..... I mean, do you know how many "good" players ive gone against that just do as much damage they can with their duvolle, only to switch to the Flaylock and shoot the ground once or twice??? Toooooo many. The only thing your doing by limiting logi's to sidearms is increasing either A.) SMG spam, or B.) flaylock spam. Both of which would be at risk of nerf because of how the community is..... (trust me, that proto smg can be brutal, nobody notices though because it just isn't used as often).

In summary...... NERFING A LOGI'S COMBATIVE ABILITY IS NOT BALANCING, ITS BREAKING.

seriously guys..... im telling you the assaults just need a buff, its not the logis. But ive already posted a huge response to my thoughts on it.

Changing to only sidearm would not break a logis offensive capabilities, as a matter of fact, they could still slay. What it would do is discourage assault players from choosing it as their suit.

The Logistics bonus I suggested is a reduction in fitting costs for equipment modules. I have heard it is difficult for Logis to fit all proto equipment, while maintaining high defensive capabilities. So that would solve the problem and encourage Logis to be more of a supportive role.

I'm more curious with your reasoning for choosing to play Logistics, since you clearly wish to be an Assault....since when is the support unit supposed to compete with the front line fighter?

It's like being the healer in an MMO and complaining that you don't have as much DPS as the ranger....

Give logis two sidearm slots, and allow anyone to dual wield side arms if two are equipped by cycling to the option on the weapon wheel. Obviously have to increase reload speed and make the spread more wonky, but there's your firepower if you want it, and versatility if you're going support. Amarr logi gets a light weapon slot only (only because they gave them the sidearm)

For craps sake there's an official concept art of the Logi with two SMGs.....

And finally.... its not like being a healer in an MMO.... Its like being a combat medic. My logi duties is just as important as my kill the guy shooting at me duties. Making it so logi's can get pubstomped in a 1 v 1 is stupid, we should have at-least the ability, to compete with an assault player. Ill admit that certain suits now need a balance, but ill never admit that Logi's as a whole are OP, because that simply isn't the case. I mean, I don't remember the last minmatar logi, or amarr logi Ive seen..... and theres a reason for that right? lol

"I'll never admit that logi's are OP".....well, here's your dunce hat for the day. Cripes.

And you come full circle with wanting to go toe to toe with the Assault, which you yourself said would be no issue with a sidearm, especially two (the only thing that worries me is the flaylocks, but they still need work anyways). The way I see it, logi's are SUPPOSED to have tank, because that allows them to get in and revive their buddies, or heal people up, without actually dieing. With only sidearms, a logi would be encouraged to stick close with his allies, unless he was built to be quick and stealthy, more like a shotgun logi of today.

The reason you don't see people complain too much about the other logi suits is partly because the Amarr one is kind of meh for a logi, and the Caldari logi just overly highlights the issues with the logi spec as a whole :/

Can someone explain to me how the Minmatar, Gallente, and Amarr logi are OP? I have a stat comparison a few pages back that everyone ignored and I still see a broad brush being painted on the entire class because of this.

Also, would we be having this same argument if shields actually had a drawback? You know, something like a larger signature radius, or larger hitbox when at full health?