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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1887
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:56:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:
But you see, your logic doesn't make any sense. The logistic guy should have given the other squad an edge in survivability. That's the whole point he was there to begin with......
With what, the repper? Most people run Cal suits, so once their shields go out, there's not much I can do for them anyway, not that I could have done anything for their shields either...
"Here bro, let me heal your 90 armor", gee I feel so useful now >.>
Thank god for heavies, they make me feel like I have a purpose. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:59:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Marston VC wrote:
But you see, your logic doesn't make any sense. The logistic guy should have given the other squad an edge in survivability. That's the whole point he was there to begin with......
With what, the repper? Most people run Cal suits, so once their shields go out, there's not much I can do for them anyway, not that I could have done anything for their shields either... Thank god for heavies, they make me feel like I have a purpose. "Here bro, let me heal your 90 armor", gee I feel so useful now >.> I've taken to using Quantum Active Scanners. Waving it about while it emanates light and goes beepity boop makes me feel important.
Edit: oh, and it also lights up enemies like a christmas tree on the radar and HUD of all allies. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
383
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:02:00 -
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Quote: Heh. Lucky none of 'em had the noust to flux those hives.
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We encountered one group today that was exceptionally good. We lost to them by MCC destruction and they had 3 clones left. They beat us because my squad was too split up holding different things, preventing us to push. This allowed their squad to mass up and beat me and one other squad mate out of an outskirt letter. Me and him couldn't hold the letter by ourselves because 1.) they kept fluxing us which prevented my triage nano from going down, and crippled my shield tanked partner. 2.) 2 v 5 is a tough battle no matter how good you are. 3.) The most F'd up tactic ever is suicide charging me with core locus grenades...... seriously the effective splash damage on those things are unbelievable.
In summary, we could have lasted a little bit longer if not for the locus grenade wearing jerk.... (not to mention me and my friend kept getting pegged by sniper fire......) Lol so I mean.... Sure if your surrounded and you have no choice but to throw the nanohives down right there then yes, flux grenades can mess you up. But that just simply isn't the case 9 times out of 10. By the end of that match I went 29 - 7, I lost 1.2 million ISK. one death by sniper fire, three by core locus grenades, three more by getting gang banged at the letter me and my friend were trying to hold. (I had an uplink down so we kept coming back).
Traditionally, to prevent the whole "flux" issue, my squad runs up, we establish a battle line. I take cover somewhere... ohhh three or four meters back and set up shop. That shop is meant to be used if either A.) they start pushing us back, or B.) after the battle takes place and we need to resupply.
If we get pushed back the healing ability of the nanohive (75 hp/ second) gives us the survivability we need (usually) to push back on them. If a teammate dies I revive him with full shields and 80% armor (great for heavies). And so that's all there is to it. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1887
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:05:00 -
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The suit description calls us a "force multiplier"... and yet the most useful thing we can do is shoot at stuff, although those nano-hives are nice ... and the remote explosives |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1026
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:07:00 -
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My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
383
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:The suit description calls us a "force multiplier"... and yet the most useful thing we can do is shoot at stuff, although those nano-hives are nice ... and the remote explosives
Dude you have no idea..... By speccing into this suit, not only did my survivability go up. ALL OF OUR survivability went up..... dying wasn't common after we all go together..... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
383
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:09:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong.
40-4 with 3000 WP..... its not like im not logi broing people...... I'm just really good at killing enemies now too! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:10:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:The suit description calls us a "force multiplier"... and yet the most useful thing we can do is shoot at stuff, although those nano-hives are nice ... and the remote explosives Dude you have no idea..... By speccing into this suit, not only did my survivability go up. ALL OF OUR survivability went up..... dying wasn't common after we all go together..... And would you say the same if all you had was a side arm? Cause that's what I was going on about. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:11:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Easy, give the assault suit a damage bonus *boom* assaults are now the better slayer class |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3993
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:15:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Easy, give the assault suit a damage bonus *boom* assaults are now the better slayer class So now heavies and scouts can die when anyone farts? |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2073
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:17:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Logis aren't meant to be only support, they're supposed to be versatile at the cost of base stats and a sidearm slot. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:18:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Easy, give the assault suit a damage bonus *boom* assaults are now the better slayer class So now heavies and scouts can die when anyone farts? I would give a heavies a skill that decreases damage received, thereby cancelling the damage bonus assaults would get. As for scouts, Idk.... those suits just suck, they need major changes besides some silly class skill.
Besides, scouts already get killed by a gentle breeze, no need to pollute the air
The biggest problem I see is that all the class skills, aside from the logistics one, suck ass. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3993
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:19:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Logis aren't meant to be only support, they're supposed to be versatile at the cost of base stats and a sidearm slot. And we're just saying that the tradeoff isn't high enough if you wish to retain the ability to operate as a slayer. Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do
Show me a killer bee whining, cause I have yet to see a "logis are UP thread" |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
433
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:25:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it!
My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far.
But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit.
Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again......
Bad matchmaking > Gallente Logi Suit. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3993
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:25:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do
Show me a killer bee whining, cause I have yet to see a "logis are UP thread" It's the very defensive posture you all take when anyone even so much as mentions the word balance when comes to your specialization. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do
Show me a killer bee whining, cause I have yet to see a "logis are UP thread" It's the very defensive posture you all take when anyone even so much as mentions the word balance when comes to your specialization.
The same could be said FOR EVERY CLASS AND/OR WEAPON IN THE GAME, go ahead, make a "this is OP" thread, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, people will defend the things they use when you throw them onto the frying pan. That's hardly whining.
But if that's what you consider "whining", then of course scouts aren't doing, no one would be stupid enough to accuse scouts of being OP
So now disagreeing with someone is considered whining... Interesting |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2074
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cosgar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:My point was he wanted to play an assault style. 40-2 or whatever is slay style. It would be cool if logistics suits were only really good at support. I am not saying no offensive capability, but if slayers are choosing the support suit, something is wrong. Logis aren't meant to be only support, they're supposed to be versatile at the cost of base stats and a sidearm slot. And we're just saying that the tradeoff isn't high enough if you wish to retain the ability to operate as a slayer. Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do Listen to yourself, you're bitching about someone slaying... in a FPS. What, should all logis be limited to using pistols and ill will because of fexible fitting options at the cost of base stats (less HP than a scout) and a secondary weapon just because a good player can get some kills with the suit. Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. Here, I'll even do the legwork for you with a spreadsheet comparison between logis and assaults. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:42:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:[Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=785193#post785193
I kept challenging people to give reasons for why the other logis are OP, not one person has been able to provide legit reasons for why all logis are in need of a nerf. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2074
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:44:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Cosgar wrote:[Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=785193#post785193I kept challenging people to give reasons for why the other logis are OP, not one person has been able to provide legit reasons for why all logis are in need of a nerf. Not surprised, people see yellow and instantly assume it's all the suits. You try to reason with them using numbers and they want to burn you at the stake for being a witch. No wonder CCP doesn't listen to us. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3993
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:46:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Listen to yourself, you're bitching about someone slaying... in a FPS. What, should all logis be limited to using pistols and ill will because of fexible fitting options at the cost of base stats (less HP than a scout) and a secondary weapon just because a good player can get some kills with the suit. Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. Here, I'll even do the legwork for you with a spreadsheet comparison between logis and assaults. Who's bitching? I literally can't take this game seriously right now. All I'm saying is I see a LOT of yellow these days, and they're usually hauling in the kills, soaking up the WP, and playing with all the equipment they can handle. Seriously, I see logis locking down areas better than heavies
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Cosgar wrote:[Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=785193#post785193I kept challenging people to give reasons for why the other logis are OP, not one person has been able to provide legit reasons for why all logis are in need of a nerf. Not surprised, people see yellow and instantly assume it's all the suits. You try to reason with them using numbers and they want to burn you at the stake for being a witch. No wonder CCP doesn't listen to us. lol busting out numbers is like asking for a dead thread. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2075
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cosgar wrote:Listen to yourself, you're bitching about someone slaying... in a FPS. What, should all logis be limited to using pistols and ill will because of fexible fitting options at the cost of base stats (less HP than a scout) and a secondary weapon just because a good player can get some kills with the suit. Also, let me reiterate what I've said for the past few months, how in the blue **** are ALL the logis OP? Describe each one individually, starting with the Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr, and then finish with the Caldari. Here, I'll even do the legwork for you with a spreadsheet comparison between logis and assaults. Who's bitching? I literally can't take this game seriously right now. All I'm saying is I see a LOT of yellow these days, and they're usually hauling in the kills, soaking up the WP, and playing with all the equipment they can handle. Seriously, I see logis locking down areas better than heavies :/ Locking down areas better than heavies... with their equipment? You gotta explain this in detail.
(I wish I could drop a supply depot on this thread so Chicago could come and see your explanation too.) |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3993
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Locking down areas better than heavies... with their equipment? You gotta explain this in detail.
(I wish I could drop a supply depot on this thread so Chicago could come and see your explanation too.)
Dat Rep hive bro.
Scrambler rifle or assault, your pick.
Also, the original post literally describes what I just mentioned, and what I see a lot. I don't see logis using their hives to protect their allies, I see them used to protect themselves while they dish out crazy dps with very good survivability. I've heard mixed things about the scanner, but that can greatly increase survivability when locking down an area. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2075
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Posted - 2013.06.25 02:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cosgar wrote:Locking down areas better than heavies... with their equipment? You gotta explain this in detail.
(I wish I could drop a supply depot on this thread so Chicago could come and see your explanation too.) Dat Rep hive bro. Scrambler rifle or assault, your pick. Also, the original post literally describes what I just mentioned, and what I see a lot. I don't see logis using their hives to protect their allies, I see them used to protect themselves while they dish out crazy dps with very good survivability. I've heard mixed things about the scanner, but that can greatly increase survivability when locking down an area. Assaults can do that too, with better shield regen, recharge delay, and higher base armor. The fitting cost isn't that high for triage hives. Besides, the hives only heal armor and there's way more things that kill armor faster than shields, especially since people are too dumb to use flux grenades. The active scanner is only a scanner and kind of pointless since nobody uses dampening yet. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
310
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:26:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I hate how Logis, can be better at killing then an Assault suit. I said this would happen months ago, no one gave a sh*t. A caldari logi can 99% of the times fill the ASSAULT ROLE better than any assault suit. Cons: A little less speed Lack of side arm Yellow color Pros: The only suit with 9 Low/high powered slots 3 equipment slots up to 25%+ racial bonus Shield extender efficiency More CPU/PG than any assault suit. -I run minmatar Novas+Shotgun , and i swear if i get a Respec im goinf Caldari logi. 4 - complex Shield extenders 1 - Complex Damage Mod W -Creodon Shotgun 2 -Complex Kinetic Catalizers 1 - Complex Stamina (whatever the green flasks) 1- Complex Profile Dampner Equipment : Whatever i can fit. This way i will be able to shotgun even BETTER than with a Minmatar, having similar profile dampening and movement but with more than the Double the HP. (From 300 total HP to 711 Total HP). ******* S**t is OP, And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself...
No one has called this guy out on the fact this fit is impossible? Not enough pg/cpu. Why would you sacrifice about 90 shield for a damage mod? The extra shield is better IMO. No you would have considerably slower move speeds. 4.7 and if you're minmatar assault it's an even larger move speed/strafe speed difference.
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
310
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:27:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it!
My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far.
But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit.
Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again......
No one's asked you for the fitting? Can I haz please? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2077
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:33:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:No one's asked you for the fitting? Can I haz please? Everybody is busy trying to limit him to a sidearm
But would you mind sharing your fit OP? I know a lot of GaLogis that could use some fitting advice. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
311
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:37:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:No one's asked you for the fitting? Can I haz please? Everybody is busy trying to limit him to a sidearm But would you mind sharing your fit OP? I know a lot of GaLogis that could use some fitting advice.
Hey Cosgar. We need you 0.02 isk in the thread about how to vote for CPM in the CPM section of the forums. You forum scrounge, I wanna hear your take yo. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
97
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: Scouts got freaking shafted, and they don't whine half has hard as killer bees do
Show me a killer bee whining, cause I have yet to see a "logis are UP thread" It's the very defensive posture you all take when anyone even so much as mentions the word balance when comes to your specialization. I like how you make up a 'fact' about how 'killer bees' are 'whining'
Yet when called out on your lies, you do not provide any evidence, backpedalling and attempting to divert attention by saying someone is 'defensive'
Well done, your arguments have convinced me. Stupid damned whining killer bees |
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