Most logis don't play with sidearms - the fact you got killed by one on that occasion is not a general pattern. The mere fact that you were killed by a logi with an SMG should be a sign to every other logi out there crying not to take away the light weapon slot because they won't be able to kill anything that they are wrong.

The general pattern is that most logis use ARs or SCRs because they have a buck-load of ammo and don't run out of rounds too quickly, thus negating the need for a sidearm.

Reducing logis eHP would be truly breaking for them. They need to be able to tank so they can stand alongside their squad repping them while they kill the guys shooting at you.

All the time logis have access to light weapons, they are encouraged to try to kill at the detriment of support. Changing the light weapon slot for a sidearm slot would force them to focus on support and only focus on killing when the situation warrants it.

And field medics in real war situations are not kitted out with the same offensive equipment as regular infantry. Carrying medical supplies and equipment means less room for big bulky weapons. Tell me where exactly your merc is managing to fit a nanohive, uplink, armor repper and needles alongside his grenades and assault rifle?

Cosgar..... that's the exact argument im trying to fight right now. People are so blinded by Caldari logi spam that they claim all logi's are OP, which is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.

Where does the HMG go when a heavy pulls out his sidearm. Or better yet, where did G1 Optimus Prime's trailer go when he transforemed? See? I can do it too.

Most logis don't play with sidearms - the fact you got killed by one on that occasion is not a general pattern. The mere fact that you were killed by a logi with an SMG should be a sign to every other logi out there crying not to take away the light weapon slot because they won't be able to kill anything that they are wrong.

The general pattern is that most logis use ARs or SCRs because they have a buck-load of ammo and don't run out of rounds too quickly, thus negating the need for a sidearm.

Reducing logis eHP would be truly breaking for them. They need to be able to tank so they can stand alongside their squad repping them while they kill the guys shooting at you.

All the time logis have access to light weapons, they are encouraged to try to kill at the detriment of support. Changing the light weapon slot for a sidearm slot would force them to focus on support and only focus on killing when the situation warrants it.

And field medics in real war situations are not kitted out with the same offensive equipment as regular infantry. Carrying medical supplies and equipment means less room for big bulky weapons. Tell me where exactly your merc is managing to fit a nanohive, uplink, armor repper and needles alongside his grenades and assault rifle?

Now you're just being facetious.

The animations and models for changing weapons are bad but you can imagine that a heavy slings a HMG behind him when he takes out his SMG.

So let's take baby steps.

Fix the loldari suit, then we can see how everything plays out from there.

So let's take baby steps.

Fix the loldari suit, then we can see how everything plays out from there.

If that's the case, imagine logis pulling all their equipment out of their backpacks.

Finally! He sees the light!

Cosgar..... that's the exact argument im trying to fight right now. People are so blinded by Caldari logi spam that they claim all logi's are OP, which is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.

Don't get too excited, optimism isn't taken kindly to 'round these parts.

I've always felt that logistics had a bit too much wonder to their unit, if you catch my drift Anyways, we're supposed to be getting a dev blog today about 1.2, so let's see if anything is mentioned in there.

for the record I dislike Fiend's suggestion of dual wielding

Don't be hatin'

CCP likes the idea, at least to some extent

They also are willing to follow "The Rule of Cool" as indicated by them working on Speeders

Dude.... your missing the point. The whole reason CCP would remove the Light weapon slot in favor of the SMG would be to gimp the logistics combat ability. But ive stated OVER AND OVER again this thread that Switching us out with SMG's WOULD NOT fix the problem. The problem here is NOT DPS, its TANK. Tank is the problem BECAUSE its so much more then the assault suits. So tell me, who wins in this scenario.....

LCK0 with dual proto SMG's (meaning he doesn't have to reload one, and can switch to the other) VS ACK0 with an assault rifle..... The LCK0 because it has 1.) 200 more HP then the ACK0 AND the DPS on the proto SMG is INSANE. You people don't understand this because you've never specced into it. I know SCOUT SUIT specialists that run SMG's and get 1st place on pub matches all the time, so how is removing a logistics light weapon in favor of a sidearm going to make it any less capable of stomping in pub matches? IT WONT.... SO WHATS THE POINT OF DOING IT? THERE IS NONE.

http://dust514.com/media/concept-art/logistic-dropsuit-1/

If logis get confied to sidearms, I better not see any Ishukone SMG nerf topics.

I said they "like" the idea, not, Uprising 1.2 HAS DUAL WIELDZ OLMGAS

I said they "like" the idea, not, Uprising 1.2 HAS DUAL WIELDZ OLMGAS

You assume you know me - I'm pretty sure I stated earlier that I ONLY use SMGs and pistols. I'm fully specced on both and know exactly how good they are. The drawback and thing that would stop logis with sidearms from out-assaulting assaults would be the extreme lack of range.

Also, I already said, I dislike the dual wielding/2 sidearm slots suggestion.

I reiterate that Tank is what Logis need. Without it, they'd die too quickly to support anyone.

In my honest opinion..... the only reason that gun hasn't been nerfed is because of how underused it is. To this date, ive been killed four times by that gun. And its not because the gun sucks, its because ive only ever fought five or ten people using it....... LOL at a sidearm that can out beaf my proto AR.

(Puts a Core Flaylock in each hand)

Where's your god now?

I've already stated that the dual flaylock is really my only concern, and that's an issue with the flaylock, NOT dual wield. Flaylock should have noticeable splash with strong direct damage, not strong of both. We'll see how CCP takes it, there's no way it's going to stay as is for long. If it had powerful direct damage, then adding a little weapon sway and spread would really negate anything other than close ranged alpha, which you'd have to be careful of splash which translates into player skill.

I was actually just thinking about the Mini and Amarr logis. Isn't it true that Amarr pretty much tries to turn everything into a combat role? In that case, I wouldn't be against them having a light weapon slot. The minmatar way is to speed tank, right? So they don't need a light weapon to be able to get in, do their thing and get out quickly. In fact, their bonus is to hacking, so I guess they're intended to be avoiding fighting altogether and hacking, placing uplinks, getting ammo in useful places where there aren't supply depots and that sort of thing.

The gallente and caldari logis are supposed to be the primary support suits in this game, so make them support and take away the light weapon slot. (for the record I dislike Fiend's suggestion of dual wielding).

As for not having 'classes' in this game - true to an extent but you cite tank scouts and speedy heavies as examples; neither of which are even minutely viable roles. The only suit that has the versatility to act like another is the logi and that needs to be fixed.

You want logis to be confined to sidearms and you want to nerf the Flaylock? How about you just turn the logi animation to a backwards crawl while presenting their supple cheeks...

I was lucky enough to get sidearm sharpshooter prof 5 during the last week of Chrome and used my Duvolle as a secondary because of that thing

You want logis to be confined to sidearms and you want to nerf the Flaylock? How about you just turn the logi animation to a backwards crawl while presenting their supple cheeks...

Lol Marston arguing with a noob who wants to kill to logi class into oblivion.
Laurent posted great ideas.
Bendtner posted relevant rebuttal to this idea.
Overall, they will never do this, and you can let this guy try to get support for it, but the fact is Marston he doesn't want to be open in his opinions, so why waste your time. It's devolved in a pissing contest of children. Just let it die.

On a more important note bro, why the **** are you ignoring my fanboi attempts to extract the fitting you used to achieve your rampant success? Please share

Zatara

P.S. I'm so intrigued by this I'm even posting on my birthday, while in Vegas, please stop ignoring me and clue me in on how I could improve my fitting. Thanks!