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Reefersmokintaz wrote:

dustwaffle wrote:

Reefersmokintaz wrote:

TL;DR past page 2 but the ONLY thing a logi should hold in the main weapon slot is a repair tool and have a side arm. Ya know, the POINT of the logi really... Equipment slots are fine. Or make the eHP WAY shorter than a Assault but greater than a Scout.... The first one is my favorite "nerf" to do lol

So, when your assault dropsuit or fatty suit drops, as a repair tool and needle wielding medic, I'll just run away and hope someone else kills that redberry for me so that I can rep you or pick you up.

Cool.

After this change, new whinage predicted: LOGIs are DAMN USELESS IN A TEAM.

WAY. TO. THINK. THINGS. THROUGH.

Ummm... you still have a SIDEARM that is more than capable of killing a "redberry" IF you are good enough too. You must be one of the logisault runners. I see now. Also, if ur smart enough as a TRUE logi, you wont get killed as much. Logis should not run alone....

The whole point of LOGISTICS is repairing and reviving. Not assaulting....Back up fire really while doing YOUR JOB!!!

Slot9320 wrote:

People complain now when logis don't clear the area before a revive, exactly what they think is going to happen if they take our sidearms is beyond me

Who said anything about sidearms being taken away?

READ. MORE. PEOPLE! Roll

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Son Down SamsClub 22	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:55:00 - [241] - Quote ....about logis ending up in sidearms? That was productive.....talk about full circle.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1054	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:56:00 - [242] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Jin Robot wrote: I was not kidding you. OKayyyyyy? so are you going to debate my point or not? I truly feel im doing a good job as a logistics role, but i'd like to see what you have to say, if anything. I asked a question. You answered. I too bow out of this thread. I have spoken my words, anything more would be redundant.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 390	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:58:00 - [243] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Marston VC wrote: Jin Robot wrote: I was not kidding you. OKayyyyyy? so are you going to debate my point or not? I truly feel im doing a good job as a logistics role, but i'd like to see what you have to say, if anything. I asked a question. You answered. I too bow out of this thread. I have spoken my words, anything more would be redundant. fair enough
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 390	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:59:00 - [244] - Quote Son Down wrote: ....about logis ending up in sidearms? That was productive.....talk about full circle. Lol, welcome to RL debates.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2095	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:00:00 - [245] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I'm going to leave this here, as I think I've stated my case pretty clearly and have nothing more to add. I'd like to thank Marston and Cosgar for the constructive debate - it's been really fun going through all this nitty gritty with you both, even though we disagree on the solution, at least we agree there's a problem. Hopefully CCP will go over this thread with a really fine tooth comb and decide what ideas can aid with their own vision of how the (gal/cal) logi suits should be balanced. Cheers all. Anything that stops em for going Tonya Harding with that nerf bat, I'm happy. Thanks for the debate.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4033	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:01:00 - [246] - Quote Marston VC wrote: What? I fit all of that on to my suit bro, the only time I "swith suits" is when im restocking my nanohives and dropuplinks..... I have two fittings in game right now, lol I can even give you the names to them And you see no issues with this?
Son Down SamsClub 22	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:01:00 - [247] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Son Down wrote: ....about logis ending up in sidearms? That was productive.....talk about full circle. Lol, welcome to RL debates. You must be a liberal.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2095	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:06:00 - [248] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: What? I fit all of that on to my suit bro, the only time I "swith suits" is when im restocking my nanohives and dropuplinks..... I have two fittings in game right now, lol I can even give you the names to them And you see no issues with this? What? You want him to chase heavies with a repair tool out 24/7? I barely use my repper either because the equipment radial is still broken. Also, logis have a cool down for how much WP they get at one time. Gotta do something until that timer resets, right?
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz 13	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:07:00 - [249] - Quote logi should not be able to be better at killing then assault. game broken nuff said
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 391	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:10:00 - [250] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: What? I fit all of that on to my suit bro, the only time I "swith suits" is when im restocking my nanohives and dropuplinks..... I have two fittings in game right now, lol I can even give you the names to them And you see no issues with this? Ive already posted several times that I think the suits need a tweak. I don't want sidearms, and they cant remove equipment slots. So the only other option CCP has that I would like, is reducing tank via removing modules slots. I don't see a problem with all of this because that's another reason I chose the gallente logi over the minmatar..... it has 25% reduction in PG and CPU. That's the whole point. I can fit the best equipment possible, and still afford to "semi-fit" the other modules. Currently I have one wasted high power slot, and im using advanced gear on my lows. Im doing this not because I want to, but because I have to if I want everything to fit. So I am making compensations, but that's also a part of suit..... one of the reasons I specced into it.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 391	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:14:00 - [251] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: logi should not be able to be better at killing then assault. game broken nuff said No, that's not "enough said"..... Nobody here said logi's should be better at killing then assaults. In fact the whole purpose of this thread (after the first two pages) was about coming up with a solution to fix the problem. Calling the game broken doesn't fix anything, talking about problems doesn't fix anything. Trying to figure out solutions to those problems is what helps fix things.
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz 13	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:16:00 - [252] - Quote MARSTON hop online i want to chat friend :)
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:24:00 - [253] - Quote Cosgar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: What? I fit all of that on to my suit bro, the only time I "swith suits" is when im restocking my nanohives and dropuplinks..... I have two fittings in game right now, lol I can even give you the names to them And you see no issues with this? What? You want him to chase heavies with a repair tool out 24/7? I barely use my repper either because the equipment radial is still broken. Also, logis have a cool down for how much WP they get at one time. Gotta do something until that timer resets, right? TBH I would rather tell the heavy to stay inside the bubble while I lean over his shoulder with my gun using him as a meatshield...... I mean, in all honesty guys, my armor tanking is just a crappier version of your shield tanking. The only difference is that if I stand in a bubble, the effectiveness of it goes up by about 300%........ 550 ehp is not much for a proto suit, the 13% speed penalty I have makes it worse, and most of the guns out there these days do 100% damage to armor as opposed 90% to shields. The only thing this suit has going for itself is that 1.) when inside the triage bubble my survivability is enormous. 2.) I have slightly higher DPS then someone who doesn't have two damage mods, while also maintaining decent tank. and 3.) I don't really get "one shot" from charge scrambler rifles simply because they don't damage armor very well. That's it. What I have going against my suit is ANYTHING that involves explosions...... flaylocks, grenades, mass drivers. are all very potent against my suit. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT good players actually use that stuff against me! my worst game last night was 29 and 9 playing against Outer haven. Those guys, in case you didn't know, are actually pretty good! They recognized what I was doing and so the fight between me and them proceeded like this. Flux nades Flux nades everywhere. Followed up with a barrage of flaylock pistols and Suicide charges with Core locus grenades....... It was infuriating. I lost about 1.3 million isk that match, and most of my deaths were to one hit kills like militia - proto nade spam.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:25:00 - [254] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: MARSTON hop online i want to chat friend :) about your suit. im always interested in your crazy suit ideas nah, no time, im getting ready for football practice atm.
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:26:00 - [255] - Quote Marston VC wrote: I chose gallente logistics because I wanted to properly armor tank. Gallente logistics made the most sense because its racial bonus gives it +5 passive armor rep, and it has 5 slots as opposed to to its assault varients four. This means I can maximize my armor tank, while still having the ability to deal damage [...] If the Proto assault gallente suit had 5 low slots I would have went with that over the logistics because, the assault would have had a sidearm If that is not proof that assault and basic suits are in desperate need of a rework, then I don't know what is. And it also cleary shows that nobody gives a damn about that side arm if they can exchange a better tank and equipment for it. CPP needs to give that sidearm a purpose for every assault player, not just AV and sniper specialists. Also, we have currently 12 different weapons in game that an assault can use, only 4 of them are sidearms (1 being a melee only weapon). Nobody can seriously suggest that all logi players should be limited to 1/4 of the weapon arsenal, in a game that is all about shooting people and customization.
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz 13	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:28:00 - [256] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Kody Cole wrote: MARSTON hop online i want to chat friend :) about your suit. im always interested in your crazy suit ideas nah, no time, im getting ready for football practice atm. when you get back hit me up. i want to do some R&D i have a plan to make me more versatile on the battlefield and i want your expertise.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:28:00 - [257] - Quote Eskel Bondfree wrote: Marston VC wrote: I chose gallente logistics because I wanted to properly armor tank. Gallente logistics made the most sense because its racial bonus gives it +5 passive armor rep, and it has 5 slots as opposed to to its assault varients four. This means I can maximize my armor tank, while still having the ability to deal damage [...] If the Proto assault gallente suit had 5 low slots I would have went with that over the logistics because, the assault would have had a sidearm If that is not proof that assault and basic suits are in desperate need of a rework, then I don't know what is. And it also cleary shows that nobody gives a damn about that side arm if they can exchange a better tank and equipment for it. CPP needs to give that sidearm a purpose for every assault player, not just AV and sniper specialists. Also, we have currently 12 different weapons in game that an assault can use, only 4 of them are sidearms (1 being a melee only weapon). Nobody can seriously suggest that all logi players should be limited to 1/4 of the weapon arsenal, in a game that is all about shooting people and customization. Im telling you man..... I would have run gallente assault if it had a 5th low slot..... but as it stands it just inferior to the gallente logi suit.... albeit not by much. But ive already listed the differences above so im not going to repeat myself.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:29:00 - [258] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: Marston VC wrote: Kody Cole wrote: MARSTON hop online i want to chat friend :) about your suit. im always interested in your crazy suit ideas nah, no time, im getting ready for football practice atm. when you get back hit me up. i want to do some R&D i have a plan to make me more versatile on the battlefield and i want your expertise. NP man, will see how im feeling in three and a half hours
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1924	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:30:00 - [259] - Quote All this talk about Logis doing an assaults job better, and here I am... in my Amarr logi suit, totally not being the badass I'm supposed to be. Regardless of what happens to the other suits, I hope you guys and CCP are reasonable enough to understand that the Amarr and Minmatar suits aren't in need of any nerfs.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:36:00 - [260] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: All this talk about Logis doing an assaults job better, and here I am... in my Amarr logi suit, totally not being the badass I'm supposed to be. Regardless of what happens to the other suits, I hope you guys and CCP are reasonable enough to understand that the Amarr and Minmatar suits aren't in need of any nerfs. ^ that's the whole point ive been trying to convey..... We need to balance the class, and im praying that CCP doesn't break it.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2110	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:38:00 - [261] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: All this talk about Logis doing an assaults job better, and here I am... in my Amarr logi suit, totally not being the badass I'm supposed to be. Regardless of what happens to the other suits, I hope you guys and CCP are reasonable enough to understand that the Amarr and Minmatar suits aren't in need of any nerfs. ^ that's the whole point ive been trying to convey..... We need to balance the class, and im praying that CCP doesn't break it. As much as Remnant loves logis, I think we might be in good shape... ...until you realize Blam! loves dropships!
Reefersmokintaz Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 52	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:07:00 - [262] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: TL;DR past page 2 but the ONLY thing a logi should hold in the main weapon slot is a repair tool and have a side arm. Ya know, the POINT of the logi really... Equipment slots are fine. Or make the eHP WAY shorter than a Assault but greater than a Scout.... The first one is my favorite "nerf" to do lol So, when your assault dropsuit or fatty suit drops, as a repair tool and needle wielding medic, I'll just run away and hope someone else kills that redberry for me so that I can rep you or pick you up. Cool. After this change, new whinage predicted: LOGIs are DAMN USELESS IN A TEAM. WAY. TO. THINK. THINGS. THROUGH. Ummm... you still have a SIDEARM that is more than capable of killing a "redberry" IF you are good enough too. You must be one of the logisault runners. I see now. Also, if ur smart enough as a TRUE logi, you wont get killed as much. Logis should not run alone.... The whole point of LOGISTICS is repairing and reviving. Not assaulting....Back up fire really will doing YOUR JOB!!! Slot9320 wrote: People complain now when logis don't clear the area before a revive, exactly what they think is going to happen if they take our sidearms is beyond me Who said anything about sidearms being taken away? READ. MORE. PEOPLE!
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:17:00 - [263] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: All this talk about Logis doing an assaults job better, and here I am... in my Amarr logi suit, totally not being the badass I'm supposed to be. Regardless of what happens to the other suits, I hope you guys and CCP are reasonable enough to understand that the Amarr and Minmatar suits aren't in need of any nerfs. ^ that's the whole point ive been trying to convey..... We need to balance the class, and im praying that CCP doesn't break it. As much as Remnant loves logis, I think we might be in good shape... ...until you realize Blam! loves dropships! Still my Gal logi is no where near OP
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1930	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:22:00 - [264] - Quote Reefersmokintaz wrote: [IF you are good enough too. The problem with this is, it only works if you run into noobs, a good player with a side arm vs a good player with an AR will almost always end in the Ar winning Slot9320 wrote: People complain now when logis don't clear the area before a revive, exactly what they think is going to happen if they take our sidearms is beyond me Quote: Who said anything about sidearms being taken away? whoops I meant light weapons
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 129	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:44:00 - [265] - Quote ''Tbh that is a terrible fit. Caldari logi has a 25 hp/s recharge. sure you'll be able to win a 1v1 at first, but you will have to wait a hell of a long time to get that back up. best to go 2 comp dmg mods, 1 comp shield charger and 2 comp extenders. In the lows you will need a cpu mod and a recharger'' Depends who's using it. My problem is that when i face 3+ groups i can get 2 of them and the last one always gets me. If i can take out 2-3 out of 3-6 man groups i will do better with more HP. And there is NO reason i should use 2 damage mods when im using a shotgun that can pretty much 1hko anything even without damage mods...It would be smarter to take advantage of what makes the caldari logi powerfull, +25% SHield extender proficiency. The shield recharger wont do crap if im already dead, Shield ext > Shield Recharger.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 129	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:47:00 - [266] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: Cosgar wrote: Marston VC wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: All this talk about Logis doing an assaults job better, and here I am... in my Amarr logi suit, totally not being the badass I'm supposed to be. Regardless of what happens to the other suits, I hope you guys and CCP are reasonable enough to understand that the Amarr and Minmatar suits aren't in need of any nerfs. ^ that's the whole point ive been trying to convey..... We need to balance the class, and im praying that CCP doesn't break it. As much as Remnant loves logis, I think we might be in good shape... ...until you realize Blam! loves dropships! Still my Gal logi is no where near OP IT the Caldari Logi the one thats broken. - the only dropsuit with 9 Low/high powered modules - Extreme shield tanking abilities with up to +25% Shield extender efficiency. Gallante Logis are powerful, but since Armor plates suck , the suit overall is above average...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4041	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:57:00 - [267] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: The shield recharger wont do crap if im already dead, Shield ext > Shield Recharger. Nevermind that the fitting cost for rechargers is absurd....30/60/90? L O L
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.26 01:39:00 - [268] - Quote Son Down wrote: Marston VC wrote: Son Down wrote: ....about logis ending up in sidearms? That was productive.....talk about full circle. Lol, welcome to RL debates. You must be a liberal. Im liberal on social issues, conservative on economic policies. To be honest, I think the republicans would win every year if they just said "Our stance on these social problems are neutral, States rights for the win!" Instead they go ahead and nominate a morman.....
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 392	Posted - 2013.06.26 01:47:00 - [269] - Quote Reefersmokintaz wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Reefersmokintaz wrote: TL;DR past page 2 but the ONLY thing a logi should hold in the main weapon slot is a repair tool and have a side arm. Ya know, the POINT of the logi really... Equipment slots are fine. Or make the eHP WAY shorter than a Assault but greater than a Scout.... The first one is my favorite "nerf" to do lol So, when your assault dropsuit or fatty suit drops, as a repair tool and needle wielding medic, I'll just run away and hope someone else kills that redberry for me so that I can rep you or pick you up. Cool. After this change, new whinage predicted: LOGIs are DAMN USELESS IN A TEAM. WAY. TO. THINK. THINGS. THROUGH. Ummm... you still have a SIDEARM that is more than capable of killing a "redberry" IF you are good enough too. You must be one of the logisault runners. I see now. Also, if ur smart enough as a TRUE logi, you wont get killed as much. Logis should not run alone.... The whole point of LOGISTICS is repairing and reviving. Not assaulting....Back up fire really while doing YOUR JOB!!! Slot9320 wrote: People complain now when logis don't clear the area before a revive, exactly what they think is going to happen if they take our sidearms is beyond me Who said anything about sidearms being taken away? READ. MORE. PEOPLE! 1.) don't be stupid, its obvious he meant Light weapons not sidearms. 2.) THERE IS NO "WAY TO PLAY" just because the suit is labeled "logistics" doesn't mean it should be impossible for me to play offensively, it means that I should be encouraged to play a certain way, but not forced. If I want to play aggressively in my logi suit, then god damn it! im going to do it! The idea that a medium suit cant use a primary weapon is just dumb..... Can you name one other class that can't use at-least one light weapon? You cant because they don't exist, because the idea is stupid. One day their might be a specialist suit that gives you a bonus or "compensation" for not having a light weapon. But honestly that doesn't seem like something CCP should be worrying about right now.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 129	Posted - 2013.06.26 03:34:00 - [270] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The shield recharger wont do crap if im already dead, Shield ext > Shield Recharger. Nevermind that the fitting cost for rechargers is absurd....30/60/90? L O L You lost me there. English is not my native language so pls elaborate.



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